An Indian Tejas fighter jet crashed during an aerial display at the Dubai Air Show

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A few hours prior to the incident.

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[Raj-Hindustani]

You know this is not the first time IAF has crashed at an air show right?

If you understand the nature of aerobatic shows, you’ll know they involve extremely high-risk manoeuvres where even a very small mistake can lead to an incident. I’m referring to earlier cases as well, such as the one where two aircraft collided during a display.

And another way I say - even comercial aircrafts had accidents during the live shows, fighter planes - there are many!

They fly very close to the ground for showcasing and a minor mistakes or failure, do not provide opportunities to recover, and pilot ends with suffer

Air show is a high risk game as always

 

[Yasser76]

If you understand the nature of aerobatic shows, you’ll know they involve extremely high-risk manoeuvres where even a very small mistake can lead to an incident. I’m referring to earlier cases as well, such as the one where two aircraft collided during a display.

And another way I say - even comercial aircrafts had accidents during the live shows, fighter planes - there are many!

They fly very close to the ground for showcasing and a minor mistakes or failure, do not provide opportunities to recover, and pilot ends with suffer

Air show is a high risk game as always

Yes, PAF has been doing air shows like many countries have. IAF have a serious safety culture issue. Shopping bags for oil leaks, FFS

 

[Ak01]

I remember that f16 crashed by Pakistani pilot during rehearsals and if I m not wrong a few jf 17 also got crashed.

this is a bit of a moot point where there is no comparison

the JF-17 had racked up 40,000 OPERATIONAL hours (so combat/mission hours)- by 2019, so the flight hour number is likely far greater. This was of course over the span of 9 years, so included ioc, plus the trickling of airframes in, now, with another 6 years under its belt, the real total flight hours are probably exceeding 100,000 with a significantly higher number of airframes.

In this time period, of 40,000 OPERATIONAL hours, 2 airframes were lost.

That meant, up til 2019, JF-17 had a crash rate of 1 airframe for every 20,000 hours.

However, for the sake of it, lets extend this 40,000 to 2025, if we include the 3 new crashes, so 5 total, across 40,000 operational hours (obviously inaccurate), the crash rate is 1 crash for every 8000 hours.

Obviously induction/use do not scale linearly, but im estimating the real crash rate of the JF-17 sits around 1 crash for every 15,000-20,000 hours.

With Teju bhaiya, 12,000 hours, 2 crashes, 1 every 6000 hours, but also, 38 airframes, with a loss of 2, 5.2% of the fleet lost.

With Jeff babu, 225 airframes, 5 losses, giving a 2.2% fleet loss. Noteworthy is all hull losses have been training flights/CFIT, with no fatal failures thus far.

So yes, you can say Tejas has less crashes and a few JF-17 have crashed, but it does not tell the story or even scratch the surface.

 

[Ak01]

If you understand the nature of aerobatic shows, you’ll know they involve extremely high-risk manoeuvres where even a very small mistake can lead to an incident.

which is why there are very strict procedures in place to prevent such incidents

I’m referring to earlier cases as well, such as the one where two aircraft collided during a display.

 

[ARMalik]

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The ones expressing sorrow are a bunch of weak individuals.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

this is a bit of a moot point where there is no comparison

the JF-17 had racked up 40,000 OPERATIONAL hours (so combat/mission hours)- by 2019, so the flight hour number is likely far greater. This was of course over the span of 9 years, so included ioc, plus the trickling of airframes in, now, with another 6 years under its belt, the real total flight hours are probably exceeding 100,000 with a significantly higher number of airframes.

In this time period, of 40,000 OPERATIONAL hours, 2 airframes were lost.

That meant, up til 2019, JF-17 had a crash rate of 1 airframe for every 20,000 hours.

However, for the sake of it, lets extend this 40,000 to 2025, if we include the 3 new crashes, so 5 total, across 40,000 operational hours (obviously inaccurate), the crash rate is 1 crash for every 8000 hours.

Obviously induction/use do not scale linearly, but im estimating the real crash rate of the JF-17 sits around 1 crash for every 15,000-20,000 hours.

With Teju bhaiya, 12,000 hours, 2 crashes, 1 every 6000 hours, but also, 38 airframes, with a loss of 2, 5.2% of the fleet lost.

With Jeff babu, 225 airframes, 5 losses, giving a 2.2% fleet loss. Noteworthy is all hull losses have been training flights/CFIT, with no fatal failures thus far.

So yes, you can say Tejas has less crashes and a few JF-17 have crashed, but it does not tell the story or even scratch the surface.

If it's about pilots skills - su 30 mki has many incidents now.... But it is having one of the best records with thousands of flying hours.

Again, people don't understand things- mostly preminded.

 

[Ak01]

If it's about pilots skills - su 30 mki has many incidents.... But it one of the best with flying hours.

did i say anything about pilot skills?

the entire world counts incidents per flight hours...

 

[Yasser76]

If it's about pilots skills - su 30 mki has many incidents now.... But it is having one of the best records with thousands of flying hours.

Again, people don't understand things- mostly preminded.

Nope, MKI servicability is at 55%. So there will not be that many flying hours. Worth remembering you are on a defence forum where yiu can get fact checked, not posting on X to their fellow ignorant Indians

 

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[Dalit]

I’m only pointing out that such incidents are not unique to an IAF pilot. They are an unfortunate part of aviation, and without either a technical failure or human error, they simply don’t happen. However, many people are unfairly targeting the IAF alone. There are several examples from around the world where similar accidents have occurred during live air shows.

You are a joke just like your pathetic fighter Tejas.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

did i say anything about pilot skills?

the entire world counts incidents per flight hours...

So this should be considered an operational accident? Because as I understand where flying hours and the nature of the manoeuvres play a major role. If it was a technical failure, that’s still possible—but

based on what we can see, it appears that a minor mistake led to the incident. He was flying very close to the ground, and we’ve seen similar accidents in the past under such conditions.

 

[Yasser76]

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I think people do not realise how bad the situation is for them right now.

Over last 3 years they have lost 23 aircraft to attrition. They have lost 8 (possibly more) to combat and they have retired 40 MIG-21s.

That is a total of 71 airplanes (old and modern) without a single new fighter being delivered. Effectively the los of 4 Fighter squadrons in 3 years.

 

[RocketLaw]

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Indians are full of garbages and fake drama.

 

[Ak01]

So this should be considered an operational accident? Because as I understand where flying hours and the nature of the manoeuvres play a major role. If it was a technical failure, that’s still possible—but

based on what we can see, it appears that a minor mistake led to the incident. He was flying very close to the ground, and we’ve seen similar accidents in the past under such conditions.

have you personally concluded a crash investigation?

you can label it whatever accident you want, the bottom line is tejas has crashed and it is more devastating for a tejas fleet to lose one aircraft than it is a jf17 fleet.

also, it appears to be more of a chain of failures, as opposed to one mistake...

and before you try to be a smart arse- im aerobatics rated