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[mythbuster]

@mythbuster

Many of your countrymen have serious problems when it comes to blind loyalty towards a regime and people that look down on you openly. Yesterday the only casualty in UAE was a innocent Pakistani migrant - while you have numerous of your compatriots celebrating such attacks on that cesspit part of the forum.

Earlier today you have fifth columns (Pakistani Shias more loyal to some Mullahs in Iran than their own country and people) storming US embassies and in return 9-10 people were killed.

Ten killed in pro-Iran protest at US consulate in Pakistan’s Karachi

The protest erupted following the killing of Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in joint US-Israeli strikes.

www.aljazeera.com

100's if not 1000's of your people were used as cannon fodder by the Iranian regime in Syria, Iraq and elsewhere. Along with the Hazara's from Afghanistan.

It is a sad state of affairs.

Look I have publicly always stated that I disagree with the religious doctrine of Twelvers (let alone the 47 year old Wilayat al-Faqih cult and sect that even most tradition Twelvers - scholars and Ayatollahs alike reject) but if such people (talking about fellow Arabs here and even Saudi Arabians - 10-15% of our people are Twelvers, Zaydis, Ismailis) are peaceful, minding their own business, not acting like fifth columns for a hostile foreign regime, not engaging in anti-state activities, not creating terrorist proxy groups, I have no problem with them other than doctrinal differences. So my opposition is mostly limited to the Iranian regime and its allies and supporters. A quite important and key distinction to make.

I know , my countrymen are too much into ummah things .... it's human nature to support the underdogs , and yes , Shia loyalties are divided . We have no choice but to live with it.

 

[_Arabia_]

Lol I have also been threadbanned from that thread for insisting that pakistanis and non Iran non Shia deserve equal respect and treatment. Didn't sit well with the administratos of the forum.

Apparentlt Its ok so long as you call for the massacre of all non Shia, Qatari UAE people etc and celebrate their deaths. I supported the argument that one has to be cognizant of the emotions of a people under siege for a little more aggressive venting but aren't the Muslims of the other countries also being bombed and losing loved ones?

Are you really trying to reason with Iranian regime supporters who since 1979 - their main modus operandi and sole reason for their regional influence (more so in the past as their proxies have mostly been destroyed) has been to create parallel anti-state terrorist proxies who thrived during civil wars, wars and instability? A regime that directly and proudly and openly aided the same US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan?



A regime that has used 1000's of Pakistanis directly as cannon fodder in far away conflicts in Syria, Iraq etc. to aid pro-Iranian despots? Ironically often anti-Muslim in nature?

Iran lures Pakistani Shias to fight its war in Syria | Suddaf Chaudry | AW

Members of Pakistan’s Shia community have been complaining that their relatives are victims of enforced disappearances, allegedly by the country’s security services, after returning from the Middle East.

thearabweekly.com

Pakistani Shiite Militias Fighting in Syria Say Quds Force Keep Their Passports - Middle East Institute

mei.edu

All of this was about some imaginary "Iranian empire" in the region. Hence you had Mullah terrorists openly boasting that they "controlled" 4 Arab capitals.

Iran continues to boast of its regional reach

Officials in Tehran openly take pride in their influence in the Middle East amid proclaimed Iranian control of four Arab capitals

www.middleeasteye.net

**** that lot. Very happy to seem them getting a pounding - even if from Zionists.

Yet some gullible Muslims here expect us to cheer or support such a regime.

That is not to mention how they have destroyed the status of Islam within Iran itself. They have turned at least half of Iranians away from Islam due to their corrupted and anti-Muslim rule and practices.

Once again I can highly recommend this Persian Sunni Muslim brother and his writings:

 

[mythbuster]

Hard to tell. Another Afghanistan (perpetually failed state) or the US/West/Israel (along with GCC aid) imposing a new regime on Iran that will not act in a hostile manner and a regime that we can all benefit from. That or the regime somehow surviving but getting more hardcore and more isolated, sanctioned etc.

However the regime is not very popular in Iran - I would guess that the majority of them want them gone - remember the regime just recently killed 3000-30.000 of its own people - gunned down like sheep - half it not more Iranians are not really religious and are living in poverty, isolation etc. They want a better life which I do not blame them.

So if you ask me it all depends on what will occur long-term. Obviously a failed state like Iran turning into Afghanistan next door is not ideal for the region - KSA/GCC included (even if we do not share a direct land border and will be impacted far less than say Turkiye or Pakistan) but I do not believe that the regional powers and West/Israel would allow it to occur.

On the other than the state could also disintegrate by itself. You have the Baloch who are a completely different entity on its own compared other say Tehran and the Kurds (active separatists for decades in those two regions), the Iranian Arabs and other minorities. Pan-Turkic sentiments among Azeris is not unheard of either. In reality many of the Iranian minorities feel disfranchised and feel alienated towards Tehran and the Mullah lot.

If they get this tinpot "king" on the throne again (Pahlavi dynasty - created in 1925 by the Brits - some officer turned Shah overnight) we will likely see another extreme - instead of Wilayat al-Faqih cult we will have deluded Persian nationalism and hardcore secularism etc. I would love to see the faces of the pro-Iran regime lot in the Muslim world, Pakistan included, once that happens and they will be told to their faces what the "new Iran" thinks about them, LOL.

That leads me to another crucial point - Iranian society is probably the most divided society in the region with delusions being sky-high among both parties (anti-regime and pro-regime lot).

But as I wrote all of this is their own undoing. They started it themselves back in 1979. From day 1 they were a constant destabilizer and opportunistic meddler. Therefore I have zero sympathy for them and I hope that MbS played them as Washington Post (anti-KSA post-Khashoggi) claims.



Not sure if accurate but hopefully so even though nothing in KSA has been hit so far. Which is also very telling for various of reasons.



Likely fake news as I wrote (Visegrad 24 is paid by the Abu Dhabi regime) because nothing in KSA has been hit by the Iranian regime and no attacks either. Zero visual evidence in a country of almost 40 million is also impossible when everyone in KSA has a smartphone with a camera and we have one of the fastest and most stable internet connections on the planet.

If you ask me this is Israel trying to get KSA actively involved in the war. At the same time Iran is so desperate that they believe that by targeting the smaller GCC states, the leadership there will try to pressure the US into stopping the war. Stupid modus operation (typical of the Mullah regime) that will likely only backfire.


That should not be accepted. Is there any religious minority anywhere in the world that has such divided loyalties and who are attacking/instigating trouble within their own lands? Not even the Jewish diaspora globally acts this way whenever Israel is attacked etc. You don't have any other Muslim sects rallying for any foreign Muslim leadership. At most we are mostly concerned with our Muslim holy sites.

I am shocked at how stupid and ignorant those lot are. Have they been brainwashed to such an degree that they do not understand/cannot see 47 years of Iranian regime propaganda for exactly what it is?

Also notice how pathetic their propganda has been/is. They are claiming that they are fighting for Palestine/Gaza while they did not lift a finger for Palestine and Palestinians since 1979 and never attacked Israel even 1 time - until Israel attacked them severely on numerous locations themselves. Them replying is now propagandized as a "defense" of Palestine.

The reality is that we have a lot of low IQ people among us.

If Iran falls into Israeli / western lap it's going to be a trouble maker again... Saudia will loose her centrality in the region , Iran may even get too close with the Indians ...not a good option either.

 

[_Arabia_]

If Iran falls into Israeli / western lap it's going to be a trouble maker again... Saudia will loose her centrality in the region , Iran may even get too close with the Indians ...not a good option either.

That is the myth that I have seen some people push. Iran will need decades of rebuilding before it can even dream about reaching the level of KSA let alone combined GCC. KSA alone has 1 single wealth fund that is 4 times larger than the combined GDP of Iran itself. The GCC combined have sovereign wealth funds with a combined wealth of almost 7 trillion. Not even the Chinese can compete with this.

KSA alone has more resources than any country in the world not named 6.5 times larger Russia and 4 times larger USA. Let alone the remaining GCC. By natural wealth and mineral wealth the GCC is 2-3 times wealthier than Iran.

A combined economy that ist he world's 6th or 7th largest economy with some of the highest non-oil growth in the world in places like KSA. Deeply embedded into the international financial system - aviation, banking, tourisme etc. hubs. Makkah + Madinah.

Actually a sane and stable Iran would suit KSA/GCC greatly. Why? Because large profits could be made in Iran from investments and mutual trade.

Look at it like the France-Germany dynamic. I could very well see it unfold in a similar fashion.

Remember that even tiny UAE is the main regional trade partner of Iran. Imagine what this would look like for the remaining GCC with a sane regime around. Not to forget the upcoming demographical and financial rise of Africa (GCC is the gateway to that).

Same reason why a stable Yemen would be a huge asset (by 2050 Yemen will have more people than Iran) for KSA and the GCC.

That is if Iran will remain in its current form. Israelis/West might be hellbent on balkanizing them and removing any potential "threat" in a permanet manner. I don't think that they will succeed with that - very few such modern examples - outside of Yugoslavia, South Sudan and a few select others - but all it takes is to turn them into another Syria - which ironically the current Mullah regime greatly contributed to in that country - hence why most Syrians despise the Iranian regime and why you had large celebrations across Syria yesterday.

If Iran falls into Israeli / western lap it's going to be a trouble maker again... Saudia will loose her centrality in the region , Iran may even get too close with the Indians ...not a good option either.

As for India - the Mullahs already welcomed India right into Iran (Chabahar) and have always had a weak spot for India. Not sure how this will change for the better or worse in the future. Iran is unlikely to help India directly against Pakistan as Iran is far weaker militarily compared to Pakistan (and as a whole - Pakistan has 3 times the population and will most likely have a larger future economy - not to mention KSA/GCC will not allow this). Because an expanding India is also a potential threat for the GCC - not only Pakistan.

 

[Serendipity]

I am an idealist. I do not want a single irani or non Irani, Arab or ajam Muslim dying. It is far from possible to make this happen but one has to be practically as close to this as reasonably possible.

Anyhow I realized the person who opened this thread requested to keep it non political. Likely need to open a new thread for talking about the non Irani and non western victims of the war.

 

[Falcon29]

@_Arabia_

This isn't good. Iran's capability to target neighboring Arab states is infinitely higher than their capability to hit Israel. Israel chose this timing and dragged US and Arabs into this war on their timing to cause maximum damage to Arabs and US. Hardly any missiles are impacting in Israel but in Arab states they are because they're being fired in much larger quantities.

 

[Serendipity]

People find it very hard to realign their hatred for classical nemesis. Israel is less hated in many part of Iran than the Arabs. A quick look at the Iran thread will show you many admission that the strikes on the Arabs,not Israel, are the greatest source of joy for them. Humans do not escape conditioning easily.

Even for us in thr Afghan fight we are more attuned to Indian losses. Its human nature.

 

[Falcon29]

People find it very hard to realign their hatred for classical nemesis. Israel is less hated in many part of Iran than the Arabs. A quick look at the Iran thread will show you many admission that the strikes on the Arabs,not Israel, are the greatest source of joy for them. Humans do not escape conditioning easily.

Even for us in thr Afghan fight we are more attuned to Indian losses. Its human nature.

Don't disagree brother. It's truly sad. It's much easier from operational capacity for Iran to hit neighboring Arab states. They will likely keep doing that and US/Israel were aware ahead of time. The human nature of going overboard when they see others are weak is a sad one. But inshallah this situation doesn't develop into that.

 

[Falcon29]

@Serendipity @_Arabia_

I don't like this. It looks like Western-Hindu-Jew big power play to weaken a ton of Muslim nations.

Our faith is in Allah to look after nation of Mohammed

 

[Serendipity]

Don't disagree brother. It's truly sad. It's much easier from operational capacity for Iran to hit neighboring Arab states. They will likely keep doing that and US/Israel were aware ahead of time. The human nature of going overboard when they see others are weak is a sad one. But inshallah this situation doesn't develop into that.

Agreed biases are only one of many variables, albeit a dominant variable in the lack of leadership and strategic direction.

I have said this before - if I was an Irani I would wonder what the strategic end goal of attacking every single country around me is. What's the end game? Cause maximum pain to make them speak to the US to capitulate? But the US doesnt listen to them anyway - judt Israwl. Whatever happens now, if Iran wins or there is a stalemate every country in the region will now mark Iran as enemy number one and actively work to end it. The long term strategy is deeply flawed.

They should have directed all heat at Israel and tried to garner broader Muslim sympathy from the public in Ramadan and become the principled champion of faith. It would have been a more successful strategy even if they assume regional governments were not going to support them no matter what. Instead they have instantly show 2 and a half dozen countries thst they are willing and able to kill their citizen. Think any country will let them survive? Even in Iran's most optimistic scenario the end point is a nuclear strike on Iran. They do not understand how their opponents think. Everything else now will be an argument construction for that strike if it is the last resort they have to resort to. I hope I am wrong. But these are my deeper fears for the Irani people. Make no mistake I have equal sympathy for all the Muslims countries Involved and will be a voice for them when everyone else is attacking them. But this outcome I fear most.

 

[_Arabia_]

People find it very hard to realign their hatred for classical nemesis. Israel is less hated in many part of Iran than the Arabs. A quick look at the Iran thread will show you many admission that the strikes on the Arabs,not Israel, are the greatest source of joy for them. Humans do not escape conditioning easily.

Even for us in thr Afghan fight we are more attuned to Indian losses. Its human nature.

That is because they are a tiny ant compared to us Arabs on every front. See my post number 196 for a detailed explanation covering the past 1400 years (Islamic period) and pre-Islamic period alike. Iraq alone (1 single Arab country) killed 1 million of them in the 1980's.

@_Arabia_

This isn't good. Iran's capability to target neighboring Arab states is infinitely higher than their capability to hit Israel. Israel chose this timing and dragged US and Arabs into this war on their timing to cause maximum damage to Arabs and US. Hardly any missiles are impacting in Israel but in Arab states they are because they're being fired in much larger quantities.

You are reading too much into majoosi regime propaganda. Do you think that anything on the ground or in the larger scale will change because the majoos target a few US bases that are evacuated and unguarded and a few buildings and other targets of no real value? 3 people have died in the GCC (UAE), all migrants. Other than that 3 US soldiers in Kuwait. Arabs are not dying at all.

On the other hand their entire majoosi leadership has been annihilated and they are constantly getting carpet bombed. They are just lashing out because they have already lost before the war even started.

The GCC has not even replied but even smaller air forces of the GCC can easily destroy all of their oil and gas infrastructure, desalination plants and all of tier main (few remaining) military bases in southern Iran.

They are a paper tiger for a reason with no air force, no navy, no real air defenses etc. All they have are their North Korean/Russian origin missile that will run out not far from now. Once that happen they will be like a sheep ready for slaughter.

KSA is keeping out (cleverly) for now, because we have barely been targeted or at all despite helping actively against thet majoos regime. But when the time is right and if things changes, we could join in a devastating fashion.

This branch alone can send the majoosi regime back to the neolithic age.

Post in thread 'Royal Saudi Arabian Strategic Missile Force'

Feb 28, 2026

So we will have another even more failed entity (Iran) next to us for many years to come. Chickens coming home to roost indeed.

Looks like they are hit extremely hard with nothing of substance destroyed or hit in the GCC and zero casualties other than 1 dead South Asian (Pakistani, now confirmed) migrant in UAE.

Other than those North Korean/Russian origin missiles, they have nothing in their arsenal to cause any harm. They will be depleted and to begin with can only do very limited harm. Nothing of substance will be destroyed nor will it win any battle let alone any war.

So far nothing...

• _Arabia_

 

[_Arabia_]

Tehran brutally assaulted.



Paper tiger lasted 48 hours:

 

[Serendipity]

I really really do not want to see the gcc armies engage in direct attacks against Iran. Its a nightmare scenario for Muslims countries to work with Israel in attacking another muslim countries. And as much as ypu are right about tech disparity, I would still say they have much more stomach for a fight.

I get it its hard to stay out of the fight when you are being bombarded with hundreds of munitions. The line is blurring of the argument that they should not get involved because this isnt their fight. Slowly it is becoming their fight. But historic hate would be the worst possible reason for it.

I think the three non Arabs who died need to be treated as absolute heroes by the Arabs. They were the ones out and about making society functional allowing others to shelter in place.

As i have said repeatedly I will never take joy in any muslim ( or innocent non muslim) being hurt for the sake of petty hatred. I hope the iranis stop attacking the Muslims soon. If they keep pushing and there is retaliation against them my sympathy for them will be greatly reduced.

 

[Falcon29]

Israel would no doubt want to see a direct conflict between the GCC and Iran but that is not going to happen for various of reasons.

Firstly KSA is not touched or attacked. There is no GCC without KSA. The most that can happen as I wrote earlier is that Qatar, Kuwait, UAE and Bahrain launch some retaliatory strikes against the majoosi regime.

Secondly, the majoosi regime is already a failure on its own - this recent conflict will only increase this failure.

In fact the best thing we could do is keep this regime alive and this way ensure that they will remain a failed state for a long time to come.

Look at it logically - the worst thing they can do is target oil and gas infrastructure which will be rebuilt. It will only be a temporary economic setback. Nothing permanent.

However once they do that - this is a clear red line - their oil and gas facilities will be destroyed too and since most of their income is form oil and gas, they will collapse.

The GCC (Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain - small states as it already is) should just wait this out as they have little to lose long-term and potentially reply if those firecracker attacks continue for 1-2 more days.

Glad to see cool heads prevail. Iranians are letting out some steam right now. In few days they'll cool down. I hope you are safe btw.

Idk if GCC trusts the United States after this experience. It's ultimately their call but I don't like how they set up this whole situation. Even European powers were frustrated by Israeli and US unilateral moves that they aren't coordinating with anyone. And the decision to kill the supreme leader was theirs.

I'm getting increasingly frustrated with the US's foreign policy in the Middle East. Its endangering Arab and Muslim states and we have to as Arabs take our defense needs seriously and build a military culture.

 

[Falcon29]

Funny part in the forum is that they are banning anyone who is speaking in Defence of non iranis Muslims and now mocking in the thread that Arabs aren't responding. Even the moderators and admins.

There are some demented khawarij in the forum. The same guys in the last war were demanding IR surrender and to develop ties with the West. Khawarij tend to have bipolar views depending on how situation is going. They tend to lose all their emaan if it's going bad, lol.