At least 14 newborn babies killed after fire breaks out in Pakistan hospital

[PK781]

To be fair the phadda has been from both sides here.

Now, is the issue that Mustafa Kamal was unqualified or Buzdaar?
The answer to that doesnt lie so much in whataboutism but more so in recognizing a rotten culture that is self propogating regardless of who has the reigns and more importantly when you give that culture guns and ammo - it only solidifies itself more and more in society.

If you actually want to solve the issue - you tackle the culture - or you post one sides propaganda and the other side posts its own and this goes on and on WITHOUT ANY IMPACT AT ALL TO STOPPING THE UNDERLYING ISSUE.

Because as history is testament - there is NO SATISFACTION if your compartmented opponents are removed and suddenly your party is in power.

14-55 infants today - 200 kids before - hundreds of thousands dead earlier - burnt, shot, blown up- raped etc etc.

But as this thread shows....

Perhaps a day will come in future when we will realize and not fight/argue based on our favouritisms but on principles, values and hard work and taking responsibility as a nation collectively, and individually.......
Seems like a very long road ahead, and we haven't even started. Its what happens when the masses have been kept to be unable to think.....but then again even the 'educated' ones behave worse as well....

aaaway ka aaawaa bigra huwa hai....

 

[Oscar]

Perhaps a day will come in future when we will realize and not fight/argue based on our favouritisms but on principles, values and hard work and taking responsibility as a nation collectively, and individually.......
Seems like a very long road ahead, and we haven't even started. Its what happens when the masses have been kept to be unable to think.....but then again even the 'educated' ones behave worse as well....

aaaway ka aaawaa bigra huwa hai....

Because when you are in general so low in Maslow's curve that your beliefs lie in personalities rather than systems change - then you will have messiahs or holy grails with the plain inability to recognize a larger problem.

So simple solutiosn like "get rid of the fauj" - great... whats next has no plan.
Or, we need this facade of yes men holding up a naked emperor because that is the most efficient system because this is what will work for the people - great - where does that lead to?
Each side lives in a fait accompli utopia that extreme fixes will work - then good luck.

Not like we all have predictable lifespans to assuage our egos that "my side won".

 

[Mobius]

 

[Mobius]

What a Legend! Thank you for your heroism miss. May god reward you endlessly.....

 

[Mobius]

 

[Oscar]

What a Legend! Thank you for your heroism miss. May god reward you endlessly.....

Which Naya Pakistan is this? This current Pakistan which is the latest and back to another old version or the one before that which is now Purana Pakistan because those with naya ideals did the same purani things so now the purana purana is now Purana Naya and the Naya is now Purana/

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

PIMS report confirmed the lowest staff are kind, courageous and selfless. Meanwhile the folks at the top are nothing but corrupt, incompetent.

 

[Goenitz]

What a Legend! Thank you for your heroism miss. May god reward you endlessly.....

Just letting you know the SP who was under investigation for the Model Town massacre is now a DIG.
So, don't go for S. Sharif firing anybody or an investigation by a committee or something.

 

[GatlingGunZ]

Did purple dress woman press some fire extinguisher system or it's smoke coming from that room.
If it's first, then other too ladies were totally incompetent at their job.

 

[Jango]

The answer to that doesnt lie so much in whataboutism but more so in recognizing a rotten culture that is self propogating regardless of who has the reigns and more importantly when you give that culture guns and ammo - it only solidifies itself more and more in society.

If you actually want to solve the issue - you tackle the culture - or you post one sides propaganda and the other side posts its own and this goes on and on WITHOUT ANY IMPACT AT ALL TO STOPPING THE UNDERLYING ISSUE.

And that will not happen if we just brush the issue aside by playing to emotions and doing the usual firings and suspensions. Koi sakht baat karay to syasat mat karo.

It's just a never ending cycle.

Old ED got fired, new one came in, how is that gonna change anything? 10 ED's before did not install proper measures.

So now, when we are doing the same thing again, and not tackling the culture, to phir agr hakoomat ko galiyan mat dain to kia karain?

Even dissent is being made a crime now and then we wonder why everyone is frustrated. Doing the usual messiah, PTI, cult ain't gonna cut it. Understand why there is frustration in the first place. PTI or IK is just the conduit for those people at this point in time. Tomorrow it will be someone else.

 

[Mobius]

Did purple dress woman press some fire extinguisher system or it's smoke coming from that room.
If it's first, then other too ladies were totally incompetent at their job.

Yes, looks like she activated the sprinkler system. What a selfless legend!
The other ladies.....I better keep it at incompetent.....I can say a lot worse but don't want another infraction from the Mods!

 

[Mobius]

 

[Oscar]

And that will not happen if we just brush the issue aside by playing to emotions and doing the usual firings and suspensions. Koi sakht baat karay to syasat mat karo.

It's just a never ending cycle.

Old ED got fired, new one came in, how is that gonna change anything? 10 ED's before did not install proper measures.

So now, when we are doing the same thing again, and not tackling the culture, to phir agr hakoomat ko galiyan mat dain to kia karain?

Even dissent is being made a crime now and then we wonder why everyone is frustrated. Doing the usual messiah, PTI, cult ain't gonna cut it. Understand why there is frustration in the first place. PTI or IK is just the conduit for those people at this point in time. Tomorrow it will be someone else.

the question here is - what is next?
Because PTI is a cult, there is a messiah complex and at the end THAT TOO IS PART OF THE CULTURE.

When you see someone call IK their Murshid do you think it has anything less to with the peeri mureedi culture of wanting holy men to put in saffron and worship their graves?

To date from its peak in thousands people go to Bhutto's "Mazar" in Garhi Khuda Bakhsh? That man who has NOTHING that makes him holy, or in general other than the legacy of starting the bomb ruined Pakistan in so many ways.

There were people who for years went to Zia's grave "chadar charhanay"...
And Im sure there will be those who will go IK's grave - members here included.

What cultural change will that do?

The problem isnt "hakoomat ko galiyan" - DO BC - aik number ke harami hain wardi ke andar ya bahar.

Uss ke baad kya?
What is the plan?

Saaray Fauji maar dein?
Maar do - Sou bismillah.. Abay karo tu..

Then what @Jango ?
What happens after?
What's the plan after?