Attack on Jaffer Express

[FuturePAF]

I've read a lot of interesting posts and I tend to agree with most of you guys. There are many valid points. And especially on this page here. I understand the problem is the Pakistan Army's long-time involvement into politics and the corruption in the highest ranks and sometimes the lower ranks as well. Also,the lack of smart and able political leadership right now has caused these terrorist groups to start causing trouble again.

To quote Aristotle:

Effective leadership is rooted in a combination of virtue, practical wisdom, and the ability to guide others towards a “good life” through persuasion and ethical conduct, emphasizing the importance of understanding the group's needs and fostering their potential.

 

[Bilal]

- Objective is to bring peace in Pakistan and to stop smuggling which affects our economy as well.

Of course it is. But specifically what can it do which effective border control and cleanup on this side cannot achieve and the failures on this side will not get magnified by increasing the scope and span.

Let’s admit it. The real objective is the desire to punish Afghanistan. But the thing is, the capacity to do it this way doesn’t exist.

 

[FuturePAF]

- You don't need a huge army to maintain it. You need to construct walls/fences in the buffer zone and employ drones and surveillance cameras and when the need arises additional troops can come and go. You have to do what Turkiye did with Syria which more or less solved Kurdistan problem

- We fenced border along the Durand line didn't we? Why not do it a bit more in Afghanistan's territory to create a buffer zone? I don't see funding as an issue. Basically you have to structure your border and re-organize your troops and employ technology which we are not short of.

- By diplomacy you mean convincing the U.S. This is actually the perfect time to implement everything because Trump doesn't care as long as it benefits the U.S economically and strategically without firing an American bullet. His statements pertaining to U.S weapons in Afghanistan and Bagram Air Base favours Pakistan. If we control parts of Afghanistan we solve our security issues and help Americans give back Bagram Air Base and under extreme circumstances even cooperate in the mineral sector there.

- We are basically the same people on both sides of the border. What don't we know about Afghans and how wars are fought? Besides we have much superior weapons along with experience of guerrilla warfare.

- Objective is to bring peace in Pakistan and stop smuggling which affects our economy as well.

We also have to look at the big picture. Afghanistan is reunified under one government in nearly 50 years. Their demographics are rapidly increasing such that their population is set to more than double in the next 25 years to nearly 100 million if trends continue. We need these defense ASAP, because if it’s not one thing it will be another. Afghanistan, under what ever leadership will seek access to room to maneuver and acquire the means to continue their new “stability”. We need interactions to be on our terms, not theirs.

We have to be careful not to give them caus belli and keep any buffer zone on our side of the border. 5 km wide in the unpopulated or under populated areas and probably 1 km wide in the populated areas along the border. The same applies to the Iranian border, whom we should see as a rival not an ally.

 

[FuturePAF]

Of course it is. But specifically what can it do which effective border control and cleanup on this side cannot achieve and the failures on this side will not get magnified by increasing the scope and span.

Let’s admit it. The real objective is the desire to punish Afghanistan. But the thing is, the capacity to do it this way doesn’t exist.

We can effectively punish Afghanistan by cutting off their smuggling networks.

 

[Foinikas]

To quote Aristotle:

Effective leadership is rooted in a combination of virtue, practical wisdom, and the ability to guide others towards a “good life” through persuasion and ethical conduct, emphasizing the importance of understanding the group's needs and fostering their potential.

I believe the current establishment both in Greece and Pakistan would disagree and just shout "But democracy..."

 

[FuturePAF]

I believe the current establishment both in Greece and Pakistan would disagree and just shout "But democracy..."

Democracy is the facade they hoist to cover up the fact they are an oligarchy, as evidenced by election after election where the result of the democratic vote is not respected and the power, even after an election is not given to the elected leadership without strings attached. Even if it’s the politicians they allow to “lead” in that round of elections.

 

[Bilal]

We can effectively punish Afghanistan by cutting off their smuggling networks.

Exactly. My point was that we can achieve all that without stepping on the land mine.

 

[Cesur]

We also have to look at the big picture. Afghanistan is reunified under one government in nearly 50 years. Their demographics are rapidly increasing such that their population is set to more than double in the next 25 years to nearly 100 million if trends continue. We need these defense ASAP, because if it’s not one thing it will be another. Afghanistan, under what ever leadership will seek access to room to maneuver and acquire the means to continue their new “stability”. We need interactions to be on our terms, not theirs.

We have to be careful not to give them caus belli and keep any buffer zone on our side of the border. 5 km wide in the unpopulated or under populated areas and probably 1 km wide in the populated areas along the border. The same applies to the Iranian border, whom we should see as a rival not an ally.

Iran will NEVER be our ally be it Islamic government or Secular government. When you see them handing over Chabhar to Indians, harbouring Kulbashan Yadav and granting citizenship to people like Uzair Baloch, it makes you wonder what they are up to. Let us also not forget that although we are having a hard time controlling our side of Balochistan for various reasons, the Balochistan the Iranians control on their side is essentially ours as well. Culturally the Baloch have nothing in common with Iranians and it's one of those things we have accepted with a hard pill thanks to the Brits. Honestly I'm more and more convinced now why we have a strategic alliance with the Turks and Azeris. Enemy of my enemy is a friend.

 

[Dalit]

- You don't need a huge army to maintain it. You need to construct walls/fences in the buffer zone and employ drones and surveillance cameras and when the need arises additional troops can come and go. You have to do what Turkiye did with Syria which more or less solved Kurdistan problem

- We fenced border along the Durand line didn't we? Why not do it a bit more in Afghanistan's territory to create a buffer zone? I don't see funding as an issue. Basically you have to structure your border and re-organize your troops and employ technology which we are not short of.

- By diplomacy you mean convincing the U.S. This is actually the perfect time to implement everything because Trump doesn't care as long as it benefits the U.S economically and strategically without firing an American bullet. His statements pertaining to U.S weapons in Afghanistan and Bagram Air Base favours Pakistan. If we control parts of Afghanistan we solve our security issues and help Americans give back Bagram Air Base and under extreme circumstances even cooperate in the mineral sector there.

- We are basically the same people on both sides of the border. What don't we know about Afghans and how wars are fought? Besides we have much superior weapons along with experience of guerrilla warfare.

- Objective is to bring peace in Pakistan and stop smuggling which affects our economy as well.

More than all of these things you need 24/7 surveillance drones.

 

[Dalit]

So the argument is that we cannot afford to remain idle, so let’s jump off the cliff.

The situation was brought under control about 10 years ago. The question should be asked what did the Muhafiz of that time did that meri jind, meri jaan has failed at.

Everyone knows my stance regarding the blunders made by Muhafiz. I am probably one of its biggest critics. There's no doubt Muhafiz made a mess and continues to make a mess.

Nevertheless, you need a solution in Balochistan, as Afghanistan and India sense an opportunity. Retaliating and holding the Taliban responsible isn't jumping off a cliff; it's the necessary action.

 

[Dalit]

Iran will NEVER be our ally be it Islamic government or Secular government. When you see them handing over Chabhar to Indians, harbouring Kulbashan Yadav and granting citizenship to people like Uzair Baloch, it makes you wonder what they are up to. Let us also not forget that although we are having a hard time controlling our side of Balochistan for various reasons, the Balochistan the Iranians control on their side is essentially ours as well. Culturally the Baloch have nothing in common with Iranians and it's one of those things we have accepted with a hard pill thanks to the Brits. Honestly I'm more and more convinced now why we have a strategic alliance with the Turks and Azeris. Enemy of my enemy is a friend.

Iran is looking out for its interests. Taliban and India will always be first priority as opposed to Pakistan.

Pakistan has a lot of hard choices to make.

 

[Dalit]

We can effectively punish Afghanistan by cutting off their smuggling networks.

Such measures should have been taken a while ago. The fact that we are even proposing such things today goes to show how utterly underprepared and letharegic the state is.

 

[Bilal]

Everyone knows my stance regarding the blunders made by Muhafiz. I am probably one of its biggest critics. There's no doubt Muhafiz made a mess and continues to make a mess.

Nevertheless, you need a solution in Balochistan, as Afghanistan and India sense an opportunity. Retaliating and holding the Taliban responsible isn't jumping off a cliff; it's the necessary action.

That maybe so, but I can’t believe I have to explain that this lal topi type rhetoric that “we will invade Afghanistan and establish buffer zone” is not going to happen, cannot happen and won’t be good choice to begin with.

 

[Dalit]

The state is the same since the British rule, we have a constitution but noone follows it. We must update/upgrade/reform the state, bring governance, electrol, health, education, political, Judicial, police, security reforms. Need to devolve the power. But by design no reforms are allowed to take place. Imagine you can directly go to police station and file a case, or an independent lawyer or judge can give you justice without political interference, this is unacceptable to the mafia rulers as they will become irrelevant, they want you to rely on them, this is amongst other things such as mafias will rather than die loose their control.

This is the crux of the problem. Internally this is the way forward. Unfortunately, this will never happen for the reasons we all understand.

 

[FuturePAF]

More than all of these things you need 24/7 surveillance drones.

Aerostat balloons, especially if we have to monitor one fixed area. They are also cheaper to keep up for a long time continuously.

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ST-Flex can carry a 60 kg payload, and can be setup in about only a day, after being relocated on its trailer to where ever needed. It autonomously adapts to local weather conditions and doesn’t need much of a ground crew.

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Here was a program developed by the us army for the challenge in Afghanistan during the us war there. But with modern tech, smaller blimps could probably do the same nowadays.

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