Attack on Jaffer Express

[DESERT FIGHTER]

That's a weird way to justify live ammunition in public bro. Authorities knew there was gonna be a mob, they could have brought anti riot gear. But they brought live ammunition and ended up killing a child?

bro you literally put the blame of a soldiers murder on his superiors not a separatist mob.

 

[Jango]

we agree on several things but to say that the FC men fired and killed some kid for the heck of it is BS.

what would you do if you were surrounded by a violent mob out to lynch you? let them or fire ?

1- I didn't say FC men fired.
2- FC/Police have been known to fire at protestors. Heck the military fired on protestors in Islamabad (Ab yeh na bolna keh nhn kia please. I know this just the same way I know what happened to the Captain who got shaheed a couple days back in the botched IBO, I'm sure you'd know too).

This isn't to say it was pre-planned.

A protest happens, our political/military commanders want tear gas and water cannons to disperse the protest. What do YOU expect the protestors to do? Not throw stones even?

And then it just descends into chaos and ultimately someone opens fire. Who fired? I don't know. Is it totally out of the realm of reality that the government would have fired? No.

That's why the state always has the bigger responsiblity when handling these issues. Governments can't go gung ho on their own people in the middle of a city, period. If you have to resort to that, you've already failed.

 

[Jango]

i’ve seen american cops shoot you for merely threatening them.

do you think anyone was shot for the heck of it?

Sepoy Sher Baloch from Naserabad was lynched by byc mobs in gwadar.. i actually saw his body..

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2559206/amp

Apples and oranges, rather apples and some completely difference species. How does American cops being trigger happy justify anything here?

 

[Mirzali Khan]

The people. They would rather hijack a train or blow themselves up than making money. That's why Punjab is pushing ahead and balochistan and FATA behave like central african republics.

Not really. Most people want to leave Pakistan lol.

 

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[SteppeWolff]

Not really. Most people want to leave Pakistan lol.

The guy you are quoting himself doesn't live in Pakistan. Ironic

 

[Oscar]

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I think that post meant Brittle state -

 

[Oscar]

Apples and oranges, rather apples and some completely difference species. How does American cops being trigger happy justify anything here?

The bigger question is if it’s already at lynching phase then will further crackdowns calm it down.

I don’t see a Bangladesh here because neither India nor Iran nor the US are landing troops in balochistan - but unless you do a “nakba” or basically ethnic cleansing of Balochistan this situation will not calm down without serious concessions by state. Perhaps much more and likely damaging to statehood - then what would be needed a few years ago to resolve this.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

The guy you are quoting himself doesn't live in Pakistan. Ironic

Idk how one can talk about “Pakistaniyat” while living in Huddersfield lol

 

[MS Sandhu]

That's why Punjab is pushing ahead

Bro in what la la land you'r living?
I live here in Punjab and i can tell you this is equally a shit hole.

 

[Jango]

The bigger question is if it’s already at lynching phase then will further crackdowns calm it down.

I don’t see a Bangladesh here because neither India nor Iran nor the US are landing troops in balochistan - but unless you do a “nakba” or basically ethnic cleansing of Balochistan this situation will not calm down without serious concessions by state. Perhaps much more and likely damaging to statehood - then what would be needed a few years ago to resolve this.

The state doesn't have the appetite, or indeed capability for that at the moment.

Finances stretched thin, public support exists only on the 50 odd twitter accounts, political government is non-existent, foreign policy is shit, the list can keep on going.

I don't think I've ever seen this level of incompetence in Pakistani leadership jab say mainay hosh sambhala hai.

Even during the bad times of PPP rule after 2008, at least the military apparatus was somewhat functioning (although it did have it's fair share of fuckups).

 

[Oscar]

The state doesn't have the appetite, or indeed capability for that at the moment.

Finances stretched thin, public support exists only on the 50 odd twitter accounts, political government is non-existent, foreign policy is shit, the list can keep on going.

I don't think I've ever seen this level of incompetence in Pakistani leadership jab say mainay hosh sambhala hai.

Even during the bad times of PPP rule after 2008, at least the military apparatus was somewhat functioning (although it did have it's fair share of fuckups).

Because most competent people have been sidelined or told to shut up or end up like Mahrang Baloch

 

[Jango]

Because most competent people have been sidelined or told to shut up or end up like Mahrang Baloch

But hey, we took a dose of viagra and became a hard state, so we got that working for us!

 

[Starlord]

Expecting civilized behavior from these people is too much to ask, Punjabi's are identified and shot, not a single Gaagur Baloch came out to protest BLA, but of course a Terrorist sympathizer got arrested, all hell break lose and our Lunda ke Liberals are crying over it lol no wonder Pakistan is going down hill, to this day we have people who have soft spot for Terrorism and Racial/ethnic violence, Kabhi Kabhi to lagta hai Pakistan is a combination of 4-5 Animalistic people, ready to cut each other throats the moment they have the chance.

 

[unconventional]

Two things can be true at the same time:

a) BLA thugs are terrorists. These terrorists who kill innocent people of other ethnicities deserve no sympathy, and Baloch people should not sympathize with these terrorists. But that does not mean that Baloch people sympathizing with these elements should be locked up, that further exacerbates the situation.


b) The Pakistan military/state apparatus has utterly failed in Balochistan.

Yes, there should be no tolerance of anti-state, terrorist activities in the province.

However, the current administration will further worsen the situation in the province, instead of improving the situation.


My approach:

- A zero tolerance policy towards terrorism and violence in the province. Peace and stability is a pre-requisite for development in the province. If there is no peace and stability, there can be no development in the province, and upliftment of the people.

a) The military targets people actual operatives of the BLA/terrorist groups on the payroll of foreign agencies.

They do not target normal civilians sympathetic to Baloch nationalism. Dissenting speech must not be punished. For this, you need actual intelligence that distinguishes between the two.

b) Form a trusted team (not the current military/state apparatus) of civilian technocrats, experts in conflict resolution to reach out to the Baloch people. The military should have no involvement in the workings of this trusted team.

They need to listen to the grievances of the Baloch people, and must make sincere efforts to address those grievances.

Balochistan and the Balochi people in the province must be brought into mainstream Pakistan.

We need more youtube vloggers like this Pakistani guy (Yahya Khan) visiting the different cities of Balochistan, not just Gwadar, Quetta:

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But other cities like Taftan, Khuzdar, Chagai, Awaran, Sibi, Dera Bugti, Pasni, Dalbandin, Kharan etc.

Special attention needs to be paid to the conditions of these cities, and bring development there.

Balochistan needs to get more media coverage, not just for terrorism, but in a way that Yahya Khan vlogger provides. Documentaries about Balochistan that increase the awareness of Pakistanis about this province, its different cities, its culture.

To improve conditions there, maybe we can provide a special autonomous status to Balochistan similar to Gilgit-Baltistan or AJK. Preferential treatment in job opportunities given to Baloch/Pashtun residents in the province.

Hopefully when these reconciliation efforts bear fruit, the people in the province can reap benefits of CPEC as well.