Balochistan - Is there a solution?

[Distant_Observer]

For them there is no other way out however deplorable

There seems to be a higher quantity of narco terrorists in KP and Balochistan due to the close proximity of Afghanistan and Iran. Smuggling of drugs is big business there.

Instead of living a honest life and building their communities, they take this path.

Foreign intelligence money to act as mercenary or smuggling gangs or even both.

TTP and BLA have been fostered in Afghanistan to operate as both.

Both these provinces operate like Congo, Liberia, Somalia, Mexico, Colombia. They have been dragging down Pakistan's reputation for decades.

Until the people reject the temptations then nothing will change.

 

[hussain0216]

For them there is no other way out however deplorable

If they are deplorable then why should anyone give them any respect or mercy or pity

Wasting money and resources on these deplorable people is an insult to poor people across Pakistan who would actually benefit and seek to alleviate themselves from poverty

 

[Fatman17]

If they are deplorable then why should anyone give them any respect or mercy or pity

Wasting money and resources on these deplorable people is an insult to poor people across Pakistan who would actually benefit and seek to alleviate themselves from poverty

Their actions are deplorable not the Baloch people

 

[kambhakt]

No political/Military solution will work until the Baluch people realize the very simple fact that you don't blow up innocent people and kids if the Govt is mean to you.

What would you suggest they do if the Govt is mean to you for 75 years.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

People who talk about political solutions to the Baloch problem or Pashtun Taliban are more often than not urbanite leftists with low teatosterone wanting to copy white liberals with their saviour complex. Then you have their ethnic kin running cover for them due to obvious reasons.

Picture smug-faced leftist Lahoris in a fake English accent or egotistical Urdu, yet they have zero psychological or historical understanding of the groups they are talking about.

Both Baluchs and Tribal Pashtuns have an extreme sense of ethnic narccisism where they believe they are superior to everyone else, especially their typical target which is usually "Panjapais". If you think you can kindly sit with what is essentially a fascist that kills with impunity and believes himself superior, then you should also believe Hindus are your friends or White supremacists.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Their actions are deplorable not the Baloch people

The BLA has overwhelming support of the Baloch people, their actions therefore represent Balochs.

 

[Taimoor]

Ofcourse there is a solution.

Choke off weapons supply from Afghanistan and Kurds in Iraq.

Hold taliban, Iran, Europe and the UK accountable for providing safe havens.

Full scale zarb e azb style operation on Balochistan with regular infantry and a period of occupation.

A loosely guarded border and FC which has more leaks than the titanic is not a viable long term solution.

What about this? Maybe just want to give this a try after trying all other options.

“Do not forget that the armed forces are the servants of the people. You do not make national policy; it is we, the civilians, who decide these issues and it is your duty to carry out these tasks with which you are entrusted.”

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Pakistan first must accept the following realities before it can forumlate an effective strategic plan:

1. It must accept that BLA has a populace wide support base with overwhelming support. This is not just a foreign supported group as much as a local issue.

2. What is the psychological root behind Baloch violence and motivation? ethno-tribal supremacy and narcissism.

3. That a great deal of Baloch society is complicit in aiding violence and ethnic cleansing of civilians via indirect support - housing, food, intelligence, moral support.

Once this is internally acknowledged privately (doesn't need to be said publicly) you can devise more appropriate military campaigns.

I suggest a large military force to encircle the major tribes and population zones with forced detainment, relocation, shelling, and curfews. Put it under a localised martial law.

Move them into more monitorable zones so they cant easily disrupt trade routes. The proportionate counter violence will signal to them that ethnic violence has consequences, major ones.

After this is done, you use the carrot and stick, military force as deterrence, carrot via socioeconomic uplift.

 

[VCheng]

The question - the one that Pakistan's generals, its civilian politicians, and its international patrons consistently refuse to answer honestly is whether any solution is actually available to them?

The cold answer, triangulated across conflict data, governance indices, and peer reviewed security studies, is: probably not.

That is the key point. I would like to differ slightly from what you state:

It is not that there is no solution available, it is more that they are unwilling to implement any solution.

As further along the article, you pose the question:

is it the architecture of a system working as designed?

to which I will contend: Oh yes, absolutely.

Things in Baluchistan are they way they are because the power structures want to keep it so for their own perceived gains, no matter how short-sighted they may be from the point of view of the people.

The cold truth, said equally bluntly as your article above.

 

[KingQamaR]

Why didn’t we re-invest there oil& Gas mineral money back into this province of Baluchistan just a small amount of it for their longer -term prosperity.

No hospitals
No schools
No local employment
People living in object poverty

Pakistan had a chance to use their oil wealth to get ahead end the instability in their. But it stuffs it up.

So fuk*n Sad.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Why didn’t we re-invest there oil& Gas mineral money back into this province of Baluchistan just a small amount of it for their longer -term prosperity.

No hospitals
No schools
No local employment
People living in object poverty

Pakistan had a chance to use their oil wealth to get ahead end the instability in their. But it stuffs it up.

So fuk*n Sad.

You don't get it.

The tribal sardars are willing to take the money as royalty fees, and in exchange they co-operate with the state half heartedly.

But if it goes directly into development, BLA will set it on fire or explode it.

It is a ethnic fascist supremacist group. You cant negotiate with someone who feels superior and sees negotiations as weakness.

What it needs is massive military forces to encircle the population zones and force relocate the complicit tribes and move them into controlled zones. But IBOs wont cut it, negotiations only make them feel stronger cause it shows weakness.

You need Turkish or Russian levels of dominance before moving forward

 

[KingQamaR]

You don't get it.

The tribal sardars are willing to take the money as royalty fees, and in exchange they co-operate with the state half heartedly.

But if it goes directly into development, BLA will set it on fire or explode it.

It is a ethnic fascist supremacist group. You cant negotiate with someone who feels superior and sees negotiations as weakness.

What it needs is massive military forces to encircle the population zones and force relocate the complicit tribes and move them into controlled zones. But IBOs wont cut it, negotiations only make them feel stronger cause it shows weakness.

You need Turkish or Russian levels of dominance before moving forward

Blame Pakistani Government who continues to practice colonial system. Left behind by the Brits.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Why didn’t we re-invest there oil& Gas mineral money back into this province of Baluchistan just a small amount of it for their longer -term prosperity.

No hospitals
No schools
No local employment
People living in object poverty

Pakistan had a chance to use their oil wealth to get ahead end the instability in their. But it stuffs it up.

So fuk*n Sad.

You don't get it.

The tribal sardars are willing to take the money as royalty fees, and in exchange they co-operate with the state half heartedly.

But if it goes directly into development, BLA will set it on fire or explode it.

It is a ethnic fascist supremacist group. You cant negotiate with someone who feels superior and sees negotiations as weakness.

What it needs is massive military forces to encircle the population zones and force relocate the complicit tribes and move them into controlled zones. But IBOs wont cut it, negotiations only make them feel stronger cause it shows weakness.

You need Turkish or Russian levels of dominance before moving forward

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You don't get it.

The tribal sardars are willing to take the money as royalty fees, and in exchange they co-operate with the state half heartedly.

But if it goes directly into development, BLA will set it on fire or explode it.

It is a ethnic fascist supremacist group. You cant negotiate with someone who feels superior and sees negotiations as weakness.

What it needs is massive military forces to encircle the population zones and force relocate the complicit tribes and move them into controlled zones. But IBOs wont cut it, negotiations only make them feel stronger cause it shows weakness.

You need Turkish or Russian levels of dominance before moving forward

We need to do to the bla what the indian army did against the khalistan movement in indian punjab between 1985-1991.

 

[Starlord]

For them there is no other way out however deplorable

Them " BLA " have roughly 5-10k people at best, as for Baluch, if they think they can run a independent state then they are even dumber than i expect, Baluch lets be honest are incapable of ruling or running a building let alone a whole state, sooner or later whoever providing them net security to their new independent state will have issues, plus Pakistan if forced to give up independence will make sure Baluchistan never stabilize, cause if you kill rest of Pakistani's to get independence then its fair for Pakistan to make their lives hell as well.