Balochistan - Is there a solution?

[Distant_Observer]

Fortifying borders won't work when much of the enemy is within.

Those 2 provinces has people with obvious dual loyalty and see Pakistan as a cash cow to exploit, everything is about ethnic expansion for them


I believe if Pakistan cannot manage them as a truly hard state, the alternative is to let them **** off rather than destroying our actual stable territories by hoping by giving them concessions theyll let go of centuries of tribal supremacy attitutudes.

There's not many of them, they can be squeezed out.

They have safe havens in Oman, UAE, Afghanistan, Iran, Europe, UK and Iraq that need to be dealt with through political or military means.

Oman and Iraq should have already recieved threats of airstrikes. Airstrikes in Afghanistan on BLA hideouts should be ongoing.

So fortifying the border will cut the supply lines.

Along with a demographic shift in Balochistan.

It's just Pakistan, they are so incompetent. They make a mess and a big deal out of everything. Drag every problem out for decades and then tour the world with puppy dog eyes looking for sympathy, its just pathetic.

Look how China and Russia fixed Chechnya and Xinjiang.

 

[krash]

School shootings are not the same as IED's or suicide bombings, And no the 2 kids that attack the San Diego mosque will not have strap themselves with explosive to blow up, because like I said they use guns because they accessible easily in America/Canada, in Pakistan they do both, shootings and Suicide attacks, also these shootings are not designated Terrorist group by UN or America.

You reinforced my argument. It's the space and in turn the accessibility which is the problem.

Yeah I agree that those countries has worse, but how many news you hear from many many dirt poor countries where suicide bombings happen? or women blowing shit up? the point is that Tribalism is curse on Pakistan, people are becoming Terrorist not because they think Govt is mean, people are becoming T's because they are very prone to violence due to culture and Tribal system, and people's refusal to take accountability/responsibility and self correct their course.

People don't self correct, least of all Pakistanis. Otherwise Pakistan would not be where it is right now, all of it. You can't even form a simple que at the store. Neither are these acts and ideologies "mistakes" which could be realized and corrected through superfluous self-placating statements. As defunct as Tribalism is, it is not the root cause, seen by the fact that the rest of Pakistan has also produced these degenerates. It is economic and social desperation through neglect which inevitably leads to otherwise apathetic citizens allowing space for these ideologies to persist, implicitly or explicitly. It has happened thousands of times over thousands of years all across the planet. There's nothing new about it.

Decades of Calm huh? was it the same calm people talk about that how KPK was "Peaceful" before the Army went there? Baluchistan was boiling internally,

It's always good to first read up on the topic before you debate. You had from 1977 till 2005 of calm where you did nothing to ensure that it would not happen again.

its basically same issue in both KPK/Baluchistan, they were lawless regions with smuggling and other criminals from major cities running there to avoid the law, and once Govt decide to establish writ there they get all p!ssy about it,

Ridiculous. Is it the locals' responsibility to establish the law? The govt went in after it had already hit the fan, every single time. It was completely absent from 1977 to 2005.

but the clue is that don't let world renounce terrorists find shelter there, if you don't want Army to be there. Tribals have always hate when Govts try to regulate their way of living, or stop their smuggling or farms of drugs etc and many use that to join Terrorist group, in fact many Terrorists Organization get their fundings from Drug smuggling in both KPK/Baluchistan. Again, the main reason why we can't have peace in these region because Terrorists don't have to justify their attacks, people like you do it for them... after every attack we have certain members start posting things like but what about this, what about that, no other civilized people do that, if any country see a terrorist attack happen where lots of innocent people die, people disassociate themselves from that group, they isolate them, and help authorities and provide any information about them, but here we have people even before official BLA account send out a statement we have PDF people justifying and deflecting their attacks and blame it on everything but those who are responsible and that is why these organizations survive and thrive, if on a online forum people can support/justify BLA/TTP attacks then those unpardh Jahil Tribal's support of Terrorists doesn't surprise me one bit.

Mighty foolish of you to claim that any of what I have said in any way supports or excuses any of what they have done. The problem with most of you Pakistanis is that you are smart for nothing and pretend to be everything. You are dishonest with every issue and don't learn from history, common sense, or what's happening in front of you, even if someone ties it to your forehead and leaves it dangling to smack you in the face every time you move. If YOU are this dense then what do you expect from people who can't read or write?

Read it again. 1) Extremist people and ideologies sprout everywhere, can't help it. 2) Socially and economically stable societies/communities suffocate them through lack of support because they have better things to do. Instable societies do not. 3) Economic and social difficulties produce a desperate, uneducated, and thick population as a whole; unstable and incapable of progressing in any way. True for the entirety of Pakistan, only differing in degrees due to differences in degrees of difficulties. 4) These societies/communities allow space for these ideologies to persist just by ignoring them, the majority of support is not active. Reasons include but are not limited to lack of education, no social awareness, no legal support, propaganda, economic desperation, actual or belief of neglect and injustice. THIS is the fulcrum of it all, not the guy with the gun or the bomb. It can only be solved through economic and social uplift of the general population. Crying won't help beyond placating yourself. Once the space is removed from or limited in the society for extremist ideologies, you can weed out the active individuals as and when they pop up through the civilian security apparatus.

I have given several example, one being Indian Muslims who are living constantly under siege from Govt, their homes demolish, barred from Practicing their faith, attacked/forced to chant Hindu slogan, even massacred in Gujrat riots etc, how many Indian Muslims has commit suicide bombings? you think that Indian Muslims have better than Baluchistan and its people? Indian Muslims can't even get homes in certain parts of Indian large cities, did any Baluch ever stopped from buying a house or getting into any school or university because of them been Baluch?

Again, you have a clear disconnect with how bad it is for a common Baloch. Indian Muslims do have it better than them. Not in discrimination, but in education, income, health care, life expectancy, human development, infrastructure, most basic quality of life facilities, and pretty much anything else that you can think of. Neither are they being supported and funded by foreign governments.

Baluch concentration in Karachi is in Liyari and we all know what and how Liyari is and was, drug infested area where Baluch gangs play football with people's heads, now was that because Govt was mean to them?

Take it that the rest of the gangs in Karachi were living peacefully and singing kumbaya at bonfires every night?

Uzair Baluch was spying for Foreign agencies, was it also because Govt was mean to him ? Have you ever seen any political demand from BLA besides "Independence" ? I have given example from other major separatist movement, and BLA stands out because they are not even capable to to run a building let alone a country, even Tamil tigers who have committed some of the most horrifying attacks in past used to have a political wing to negotiate with Govt, but BLA its just senseless killing and people supporting because they are just too dumb to understand or ask questions, like I said people in those regions evolve backwards...

Not concerned with the BLA, they are nothing you can't handle.

and its not because Govt was mean to them or they never went to school, but its because they people refused to change or civilized, and violence is glorified in these culture rather than been frowned upon.

All of it is because of education and the resulting social stagnation. Civilization has never reached them. The rest of Pakistan is not too far behind with its lynchings and fatway of wajib-ul-qatl. What cup of tea are you sipping?


PS: Move past your fixation with bombings. The means of killing does not make a difference with regards to the issue.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

There's not many of them, they can be squeezed out.

They have safe havens in Oman, UAE, Afghanistan, Iran, Europe, UK and Iraq that need to be dealt with through political or military means.

Oman and Iraq should have already recieved threats of airstrikes. Airstrikes in Afghanistan on BLA hideouts should be ongoing.

So fortifying the border will cut the supply lines.

Along with a demographic shift in Balochistan.

It's just Pakistan, they are so incompetent. They make a mess and a big deal out of everything. Drag every problem out for decades and then tour the world with puppy dog eyes looking for sympathy, its just pathetic.

Look how China and Russia fixed Chechnya and Xinjiang.

It's not just foot soldiers. It's local colloborators. Sympathisers. Those who keep pushing ethnic interests to undermine the state.

 

[Starlord]

People don't self correct, least of all Pakistanis. Otherwise Pakistan would not be where it is right now, all of it. You can't even form a simple que at the store. Neither are these acts and ideologies "mistakes" which could be realized and corrected through debate. As defunct and useless as Tribalism is, it is not the root cause, seen by the fact that the rest of Pakistan has also produced these degenerates. It is economic and social desperation though neglect which inevitably leads to otherwise apathetic citizens allowing space for these ideologies to persist, implicitly or explicitly. It has happened thousands of times over thousands of years all across the planet. There's nothing new about it.

Already proven 100 times on this PDF that economic hardships doesn't transformed people into animal and resort to senseless killing and beheadings, not the the brightest cookie are you? the region of Baluchistan and KPK, are not fighting for economic opportunities they are fighting for Shariah law and Independence, if I had to spoon feed you this then I don't think you are well informed to even have that conversation, we have plenty of desi Westerners who learn few extra words in English and just deflect from one point to another while missing the whole conversation, we both can play this game.

It's always good to first read up on the topic before you debate. You had from 1977 till 2005 of calm where you did nothing to ensure that it would not happen again.

Like I said, not the brightest cookie are you? And there is a whole history of Tribal areas becoming troublesome even before the war on terror begins, the reason why locals didn't start exploding is because they were pretty much left alone to do their hasish farming and smuggling, turning the entire Former FATA into a no go zone for Govt or any Law enforcement agencies, you either not grow up in Pakistan or never step foot in it, because everyone who grow up in Pakistan knows that during the 1990's or 2000's if you murder someone or rob a bank or commit any crime, just run to FATA and you will be good, stay there for sometime until people forget. Chalo koi nai I know people don't like to face realities, and specially the ones live in comfort of UK/US/Canada will do everything in their power to deflect the blame from the people of KPK/Baluchistan to some weird theories, and Govt and Thanos and Homelander.

Read it again. 1) Extremist people and ideologies sprout everywhere, can't help it. 2) Socially and economically stable societies/communities suffocate them through lack of support because they have better things to do. Instable societies do not. 3) Economic and social difficulties produce a desperate, uneducated, and thick population as a whole; unstable and incapable of progressing in any way. True for the entirety of Pakistan, only differing in degrees due to differences in degrees of difficulties. 4) These societies/communities allow space for these ideologies to persist just by ignoring them, the majority of support is not active. Reasons include but are not limited to lack of education, no social awareness, no legal support, propaganda, economic desperation, actual or belief of neglect and injustice. THIS is the fulcrum of it all, not the guy with gun or the bomb. It can only be solved through economic and social uplift of the general population. Crying won't help beyond placating yourself. Once the space is removed from or limited in the society for extremist ideologies, you can weed out the active individuals as and when they pop up through the civilian security apparatus.

Do I have to repeat the whole thing again? Seriously show me one example where people with socio-economic issues has sent their kids to become suicide bombers? and blast of trains and cut people heads off? Even in Gaza where people suffer the brutal Genocide has not resort to that level of senseless killings, even when Syria was at its peak with ISIS ruling, they had less suicide bombings than Pakistan.
Social-economic changes will only work when people learn how to utilize the said resources, KPK can used it beauty to mass in tourists which they do, but the culture over there which glorified violence and killings, while at the same time remain silent over blown off schools and polio workers death, than no amount of education and money will fix it, because its no economic issue but cultural issue, and we even see a glimpse of it in cities like Karachi/Lahore, when i was growing up it was a common knowledge among people how violence/Phadday baaz Pathan/Baluch are, parents often advice their kids to stay away from such people, in fact i have see it first hand when just because a teacher from Indus uni in Karachi has kick a pathan kid out of class for disturbance, he went home and bring 5 guys with AK-47's to that University, yeah socio-economics would've definitely fix that

Again, you have a clear disconnect with how bad it is for a common Balochi. Indian Muslims do have it better than Balochis. Not in discrimination, but in education, income, health care, life expectancy, human development, infrastructure, most basic quality of life facilities, and pretty much anything else that you can think of. Neither are they being supported and funded by foreign governments.

Please enlighten us Pakistani's who live our whole life in that country but you a self proclaimed Canadian knows about Baluchistan more than everyone, so did any school/college/uni or mall barred Baluch from taking admission? or any housing society that stop Baluch people from buying house? any aspect of life where we said that you can't do this because you are Baluch? oh you know who did something similar to who? Urdu speaking people has to go through that and they turn out to be the most civilized and educated class in Pakistan, who despite suffered from the same brutal machine in 1992 operation has not resort to senseless killing, the moment MQM dies everyone goes back to their business, no mass killings or suicide bombings.

As for Indian Muslims they have humiliated, their homes bulldozed, their masajid destroyed, they are barred from buying/renting houses in certain areas, still called gaddar by millions of people in India, and what about the Naxals who also suffered poor management from India Govt, so you notice that they rarely has drive a IED Truck into a hotel ? That is very Pakistan specific phenomenon which stems from the very 2 cultures we are talking about here.

Take it that the rest of the gangs in Karachi were living peacefully and singing kumbaya at bonfires every night?

Yeah, I was in college back in 2009-2014, i studied in multiple colleges and unis, and under mushy it was peaceful, even at the height of MQM's extortions, 9-0/Aziza bad and Mukka chowk were some of the most peaceful places in Karachi, I literally had played night matches in those areas and walked back home, we can't say the same for the whole city when After military operations ANP start bringing Tribals in Karachi to break MQM's vote bank, again i don't want to waste my time explaining Pakistan's WOT history to kids like you who never step foot inside Pakistan or walked in the streets, people like you are the ones who are totally disconnected from reality, and then comes few more people with titles on PDF and make the largest echo-chamber of delusions.

Not concerned with the BLA, they are nothing you can't handle.

Tell that to those 100's of civilians and LEA who died in BLA attacks while you sitting comfortable in Canada providing what you may think intellectual support to BLA/TTP attacks. If BLA is no issue please sell your house in Canada and move to Quetta with your family.

All of it is because of education and the resulting social stagnation. Civilization has never reached them. The rest of Pakistan is not too far behind with its lynchings and fatway of wajib-ul-qatl. What cup of tea are you sipping?

By rest of Pakistan you mean KPK/Baluchistan, things you mentioned mostly happen in those areas, even Sindh/Punjab got better with that BS, the worse thing to come out of Sindh is PPPP, Daku in Kacche and some Jiye Sindh mahaz type Organization who at worse has done some desi bomb attacks, but KPK/Baluchistan has bring some international Kachra to Pakistan with gems like BLA/TTP/AQ/ISIS. Doesn't surprised me one bit, we are talking about people who show more anger when Army kill Terrorists who killed their leaders than when the same Terrorists blast of kids and school, part of think that they deserve everything that happens to them, Allah ka Azaab hai in pe uss ke Religion ki Maa behn karna ka.

 

[puttputt]

Image courtsey of Al-Jazeera

Or why Bridges don't blow themselves up...
By Oscar (assistance from Perplexiy.ai for search and compilation of ideas, flow and structure...because I dont like to hide AI assistance in authorship)

When militants destroyed the Sorgill Bridge in Dalbandin, the main crossing on the Kharan–Quetta route, two key spans in Mastung, and a critical bridge in Kachhi district in a single coordinated wave, they weren't just destroying concrete and steel. They were issuing a strategic statement and one that Islamabad has received, misread, and filed under "terrorism" for the better part of two decades.

The question is not whether Pakistan has a Balochistan problem. It manifestly does.

The question - the one that Pakistan's generals, its civilian politicians, and its international patrons consistently refuse to answer honestly is whether any solution is actually available to them?

The cold answer, triangulated across conflict data, governance indices, and peer reviewed security studies, is: probably not. Not because the Baloch people are ungovernable. But because the conflict has become a stable equilibrium that serves the institutional interests of nearly every powerful actor involved...except the Baloch, Pashtun and Punjabi(as ethnic targets) civilians who absorb all of its costs.

The blueprints of a Manufactured Stalemate

Let's be precise about what is happening in Balochistan in 2026. This is not a primitive tribal uprising. The Balochistan Liberation Army has executed simultaneous multi district attacks, hijacked a military train, deployed female suicide bombers, and as this infrastructure offensive shows, have developed a sophisticated anti-development targeting doctrine that treats roads, bridges, and energy infrastructure not as civilian assets but as instruments of occupation. The BLA's operational sophistication has increased during the period of maximum international counterterrorism pressure, including its designation as a Foreign Terrorist Organization by the United States in August 2025.

Pakistan's military response? In February 2026, renewed operations claimed to have killed 216 militants in a week. Within weeks, new attacks followed. ACLED's conflict database records that 2024 was the most violent year in Balochistan's modern history. This occurring while Pakistan was already running intensified operations. By any honest empirical measure, the security first approach has produced twenty years of compounding failure.

If we take a devil's advocate approach - Chomsky once observed that the standard technique of privatizing profit and socializing cost is the defining feature of state-corporate power. In Balochistan, the inversion is equally stark: the profits of Reko Diq, Gwadar, Saindak, and CPEC flow outward to Islamabad, to Beijing, to international investors. Meanwhile the costs of the conflict, the enforced disappearances, the destroyed infrastructure, the economic strangulation, are socialized entirely onto the Baloch population(and as mentioned earlier non Baloch civillian population).

But is it an accident of policy failure? Or is it the architecture of a system working as designed?

The seemingly blocked exits​

If walk through the solutions honestly then the picture becomes a little less unambiguous.

Lets start with a genuine political settlement with real power-sharing, a truth commission on the estimated 5,000 to 8,000 enforced disappearances, binding resource-revenue legislation would require the Pakistani establishment to formally relinquish its decision making authority over Balochistan's political future. However, some argue that GHQ's institutional budget, patronage networks, and political relevance are all predicated on Balochistan remaining a security problem. Peace, paradoxically, would be an institutional catastrophe for the institution that claims to be fighting for it.
The probability of meaningful progress here within five years: 3 to 5 percent.

What about Asymmetric federalism? Genuine constitutional autonomy for the Baloch with real fiscal devolution? This sounds more tractable until you remember that the 18th Amendment already exists on paper and has been systematically hollowed out by the same military-bureaucratic apparatus that would supposedly implement the new arrangement. Every devolution cycle since 1973 has been reversed within one political cycle. The SSRN's comparative federalism study is clear on the mechanism that the structural incentive for reversal in establishment policy - i.e. by military budget protection, federal patronage has never been addressed by any constitutional reform.
Probability of success: 8 to 12 percent, and only if China consents to CPEC renegotiation, which it will not.

Ok then - what about Development-first approaches? That is happening...isnt it?? Well, reorienting CPEC to benefit Baloch communities, conditioning Reko Diq royalties on local benefit metrics would collapse against a wall of structural contradictions. The BLA here has operationalized anti-development targeting as explicit doctrine. Every bridge destroyed in Dalbandin, Kharan, Mastung, and Kachhi is not random economic sabotage. It is a precise tactical statement that development under occupation is not development — it is logistics for extraction. Meanwhile, Pakistan's IMF program structurally prevents the public investment that would make private investment viable, and China has consistently resisted local content requirements across every Belt and Road jurisdiction.

The Foreign Hands Problem​

Here is where the analysis must be disciplined against the temptation of both Pakistani nationalist framing and Western liberal framing.

Yes, the evidence for Indian intelligence involvement in sustaining BLA operational capacity is structurally coherent and it is documented across Pakistani state sources, Pakistani defense institution research, and Chinese state media, though notably absent from independent Western verification for reasons that could be genuine to downright bias and conspiracy.

The critical analytical point is not whether specific covert operations can be proven, but whether India's structural interest in a perpetually destabilized Pakistan is rational.

It is. Manifestly.

A Balochistan at war keeps CPEC throttled, Pakistan's military stretched across three fronts simultaneously, and Pakistani diplomatic capital consumed domestically. India does not need to have started this fire to have every rational interest in keeping it burning.

China's role is equally contradictory. Beijing needs CPEC to function and therefore needs Balochistan stable. But the stability it seeks is purely logistical because it has zero interest in the political accommodation that is the only thing that could achieve it. China has applied, and will continue to apply, direct financial pressure against any Pakistani government that attempts genuine provincial autonomy over resource contracts, because the legal precedent threatens its entire Belt and Road architecture globally. It is simultaneously the state most damaged by the conflict and the state most structurally positioned to block its resolution.

Afghanistan's Taliban government provides insurgent sanctuary and has its own reasons to keep Pakistan's western border ungovernable. Iran, facing its own Baloch insurgency in Sistan-Baluchestan, would treat an independent Balochistan as an existential irredentist threat. The United States has designated BLA a terrorist organization while simultaneously investing capital(and perhaps running parallel support for BLA as it has done or Mossad as with ISIS) in the territory it is actively destabilizing. Every major external actor's interests converge on continuation of the conflict from different directions.

This is what one would correctly call the hypocrisy of selective outrage. The same Western governments that invoke human rights in contexts that serve their interests are investing in Reko Diq, tolerating Pakistani military operations, and filing the Baloch question under "regional complexity" and even supporting BLA in small capacities while their capital flows to the extraction economy that fuels the grievance.

The BLA Is Not a Liberation Army Waiting for Permission​

The final, most uncomfortable piece of honest analysis concerns the BLA itself.

The organization's leadership has formally and publicly moved past autonomy. Its stated goal is an independent Baloch state spanning parts of Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran. The Majeed Brigade's suicide cadre including female operatives, a deliberate adaptation to male-profiling counterinsurgency tactics is ideologically committed at a level where negotiated autonomy would be experienced as betrayal, not victory.
Any BLA commander who accepted a political settlement short of independence would almost certainly be assassinated by his own organization's hardline wing.

More critically: the BLA's organizational continuity depends on the conflict continuing. A referendum exposing internal Baloch political fragmentation between tribal sardars, Hazara communities, Brahui populations, and urban Quetta middle class would threaten the movement's claim to represent all Baloch.
A lost vote delegitimizes the armed struggle.
A won vote raises the question the BLA has never answered: who governs, and under what framework?
The movement has a military structure and an independence ideology. It does not have a post-independence governance model.

So Whither Solution?​

Honestly? Not within the current structural configuration of incentives.

All data converges on the same baseline forecast: intensified counterinsurgency continues by default and not because it works, but because it is the only option that does not require any powerful actor to sacrifice its core institutional interest. The conflict enters a higher-intensity stable equilibrium. BLA operational sophistication continues its documented upward trajectory. Investment remains partially paralyzed. And the civilian population which is the only constituency with a genuine interest in resolution is what remains the only one without the structural power to enforce it.

The bridges will be rebuilt. Then destroyed again.
The operations will be launched. Then launch again.
The statements will be made. Then repeated.

Until the incentive architecture changes , until the Pakistani establishment faces greater institutional cost from perpetuating the conflict than from resolving it, until China faces reputational consequences that outweigh its legal architecture concerns, until India's covert calculus shifts, until the BLA develops a post-independence political vision its own members will accept — there is no solution available. Only the management of a catastrophe that suits almost everyone in power.

That is not pessimism. That is the structure of the problem, stated plainly. And stated plainly is the only way it will ever be addressed.


@Hopefully Pessimistic @Fatman17 @Waz @VCheng @Jango @RescueRanger
And others - not tagged does not mean I do not care for your opinion...

IMO...

1. abolish provincial governments

2. atomize Pakistan down to municipal/small-scale districts (resulting in a strong national/federal state)

3. give each district a huge degree of self-governance and autonomy, like to the extent where they can choose who their leaders/reps are, how they want to live, maintain their culture and languages, etc.

4. create an equitable revenue (via taxes + any income generated from natural resources) split between the federal gov't and each district, like 50% federal gov't and 50% local districts. Increase the revenue going to local districts if they demonstrate investments in infrastructure, healthcare (esp. maternal healthcare), education, etc.

 

[krash]

Already proven 100 times on this PDF that economic hardships doesn't transformed people into animal and resort to senseless killing and beheadings, not the the brightest cookie are you? the region of Baluchistan and KPK, are not fighting for economic opportunities they are fighting for Shariah law and Independence, if I had to spoon feed you this then I don't think you are well informed to even have that conversation, we have plenty of desi Westerners who learn few extra words in English and just deflect from one point to another while missing the whole conversation, we both can play this game.


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Like I said, not the brightest cookie are you? And there is a whole history of Tribal areas becoming troublesome even before the war on terror begins, the reason why locals didn't start exploding is because they were pretty much left alone to do their hasish farming and smuggling, turning the entire Former FATA into a no go zone for Govt or any Law enforcement agencies, you either not grow up in Pakistan or never step foot in it, because everyone who grow up in Pakistan knows that during the 1990's or 2000's if you murder someone or rob a bank or commit any crime, just run to FATA and you will be good, stay there for sometime until people forget. Chalo koi nai I know people don't like to face realities, and specially the ones live in comfort of UK/US/Canada will do everything in their power to deflect the blame from the people of KPK/Baluchistan to some weird theories, and Govt and Thanos and Homelander.


Do I have to repeat the whole thing again? Seriously show me one example where people with socio-economic issues has sent their kids to become suicide bombers? and blast of trains and cut people heads off? Even in Gaza where people suffer the brutal Genocide has not resort to that level of senseless killings, even when Syria was at its peak with ISIS ruling, they had less suicide bombings than Pakistan.
Social-economic changes will only work when people learn how to utilize the said resources, KPK can used it beauty to mass in tourists which they do, but the culture over there which glorified violence and killings, while at the same time remain silent over blown off schools and polio workers death, than no amount of education and money will fix it, because its no economic issue but cultural issue, and we even see a glimpse of it in cities like Karachi/Lahore, when i was growing up it was a common knowledge among people how violence/Phadday baaz Pathan/Baluch are, parents often advice their kids to stay away from such people, in fact i have see it first hand when just because a teacher from Indus uni in Karachi has kick a pathan kid out of class for disturbance, he went home and bring 5 guys with AK-47's to that University, yeah socio-economics would've definitely fix that


Please enlighten us Pakistani's who live our whole life in that country but you a self proclaimed Canadian knows about Baluchistan more than everyone, so did any school/college/uni or mall barred Baluch from taking admission? or any housing society that stop Baluch people from buying house? any aspect of life where we said that you can't do this because you are Baluch? oh you know who did something similar to who? Urdu speaking people has to go through that and they turn out to be the most civilized and educated class in Pakistan, who despite suffered from the same brutal machine in 1992 operation has not resort to senseless killing, the moment MQM dies everyone goes back to their business, no mass killings or suicide bombings.

As for Indian Muslims they have humiliated, their homes bulldozed, their masajid destroyed, they are barred from buying/renting houses in certain areas, still called gaddar by millions of people in India, and what about the Naxals who also suffered poor management from India Govt, so you notice that they rarely has drive a IED Truck into a hotel ? That is very Pakistan specific phenomenon which stems from the very 2 cultures we are talking about here.

Yeah, I was in college back in 2009-2014, i studied in multiple colleges and unis, and under mushy it was peaceful, even at the height of MQM's extortions, 9-0/Aziza bad and Mukka chowk were some of the most peaceful places in Karachi, I literally had played night matches in those areas and walked back home, we can't say the same for the whole city when After military operations ANP start bringing Tribals in Karachi to break MQM's vote bank, again i don't want to waste my time explaining Pakistan's WOT history to kids like you who never step foot inside Pakistan or walked in the streets, people like you are the ones who are totally disconnected from reality, and then comes few more people with titles on PDF and make the largest echo-chamber of delusions.


Tell that to those 100's of civilians and LEA who died in BLA attacks while you sitting comfortable in Canada providing what you may think intellectual support to BLA/TTP attacks. If BLA is no issue please sell your house in Canada and move to Quetta with your family.


By rest of Pakistan you mean KPK/Baluchistan, things you mentioned mostly happen in those areas, even Sindh/Punjab got better with that BS, the worse thing to come out of Sindh is PPPP, Daku in Kacche and some Jiye Sindh mahaz type Organization who at worse has done some desi bomb attacks, but KPK/Baluchistan has bring some international Kachra to Pakistan with gems like BLA/TTP/AQ/ISIS. Doesn't surprised me one bit, we are talking about people who show more anger when Army kill Terrorists who killed their leaders than when the same Terrorists blast of kids and school, part of think that they deserve everything that happens to them, Allah ka Azaab hai in pe uss ke Religion ki Maa behn karna ka.

With that childish attempt at a dozen fallacies, I will rest my case.

The problem with most of you Pakistanis is that you are smart for nothing and pretend to be everything. You are dishonest with every issue and don't learn from history, common sense, or what's happening in front of you, even if someone ties it to your forehead and leaves it dangling to smack you in the face every time you move. If YOU are this dense then what do you expect from people who can't read or write?

 

[SteppeWolff]

IMO...

1. abolish provincial governments

2. atomize Pakistan down to municipal/small-scale districts (resulting in a strong national/federal state)

3. give each district a huge degree of self-governance and autonomy, like to the extent where they can choose who their leaders/reps are, how they want to live, maintain their culture and languages, etc.

4. create an equitable revenue (via taxes + any income generated from natural resources) split between the federal gov't and each district, like 50% federal gov't and 50% local districts. Increase the revenue going to local districts if they demonstrate investments in infrastructure, healthcare (esp. maternal healthcare), education, etc.

But that would break the central elite's chokehold on the state and break the provincial fiefdoms. Great points nonetheless

 

[hasssanali8998]

But that would break the central elite's chokehold on the state and break the provincial fiefdoms

oh no , the poor elites

 

[puttputt]

But that would break the central elite's chokehold on the state and break the provincial fiefdoms. Great points nonetheless

We'll send 'em to South Sudan don't worry.

 

[SteppeWolff]

We'll send 'em to South Sudan don't worry.

Bhai wo sab to theek hay, but the very system thats supposed to bring these reforms is captured by those same elites. Apni qabar khud hi kyun khodaingay wo?

 

[Cipher212]

Living in Punjabistan would be better than being blackmailed by ethno fascists and continuously conceding more and more space.

Okay give independence to Pashtunistan, Balochistan and Sindhudesh as well. All these provinces are full of filthy non punjabis.

Remove GB and AJK as well. Too many Shias and **** Brits in there.

Then we can have a nice and safe Punjabistan

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Okay give independence to Pashtunistan, Balochistan and Sindhudesh as well. All these provinces are full of filthy non punjabis.

Remove GB and AJK as well. Too many Shias and **** Brits in there.

Then we can have a nice and safe Punjabistan

Isme ghalat baat kya hai bai? Itna rona?

If you don't have the balls or guts to properly tame or integrate these regions and will keep them forever unstable at the cost of eating away at the main demographic, then strategically it is a better trade off.

Me khud Punjabi bi nay hu, bus simple logic hai. If you want to keep a wild beast and not part ways, you need to domesticate it & tame it otherwise it might kill you.

Currently the fascists are eating away at our body while no one has the balls to deal with them properly.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

I’ve already put the 34‑EZ model on the table, but it looks like the establishment has its own plans brewing. There’s clearly some friction between the PPP and the establishment right now, and honestly, it even feels like they’re toying with the idea of bringing Imran Khan back... though this time on a very tight leash. I can’t wrap my head around it. He doesn’t have a magic wand that’s suddenly going to fix the economy or the security mess. I guess establishment is running out of ideas...and thinking that bring Imran Khan back will be a quick fix.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

I’ve already put the 34‑EZ model on the table, but it looks like the establishment has its own plans brewing. There’s clearly some friction between the PPP and the establishment right now, and honestly, it even feels like they’re toying with the idea of bringing Imran Khan back... though this time on a very tight leash. I can’t wrap my head around it. He doesn’t have a magic wand that’s suddenly going to fix the economy or the security mess. I guess establishment is running out of ideas...and thinking that bring Imran Khan back will be a quick fix.

No disrepect brother but most of your '34-EZ' model is just AI generated slop.

What works best in any separatist problem is to destroy their demographic dominance and use overwhelming military force then after integrate that group with concessions, but first establishing strong military deterrence against fascist groups is important.

See Turkey, Russia, India, Sri Lanka.

Rest developing the coastline makes most sense from an economic perspective that's where economic activity happens

 

[Cipher212]

Isme ghalat baat kya hai bai? Itna rona?

If you don't have the balls or guts to properly tame or integrate these regions and will keep them forever unstable at the cost of eating away at the main demographic, then strategically it is a better trade off.

Me khud Punjabi bi nay hu, bus simple logic hai. If you want to keep a wild beast and not part ways, you need to domesticate it & tame it otherwise it might kill you.

Currently the fascists are eating away at our body while no one has the balls to deal with them properly.

Never quote me again you filthy ethno nat.