Balochistan - Is there a solution?

[Watandar]

agreed but u cant just say timeout and make the fighting stop , you have to win for it to stop

You cannot "win" anything via military at this stage. Neither is the military a winner.

if u dont know
if we allie with iran we will be sanctioned to death , not our fault they chose to fight with the entire western world while not having the weapons/armies to back that wish

You were also defying entire western world when playing double games in Afghanistan, pursuing nukes and missiles and opposing Indian regional hegemony. There was no concern of sanctions or weapons/armies then ??

Lucky for you noone is asking to ally with Iran and lose those most coveted dollars, dirhams and riyals. Merely that you cultivate the relationship with your western neighbors for mutual benefit in a non military manner.

nope reza's iran was our best allie , nothing selective about it .

The US has bombed Pakistan hundreds of times yet you don't complain or describe it as aggressive towards Pakistan. Why ? Because of 70 plus years of pro American indoctrination.

Back to topic before I get thread banned. You did some good baiting there.

 

[hasssanali8998]

You were also defying entire western world when playing double games in Afghanistan, pursuing nukes and missiles and opposing Indian regional hegemony. There was no concern of sanctions or weapons/armies then ??

yes for us not for another country tf

The US has bombed Pakistan hundreds of times yet you don't complain or describe it as aggressive towards Pakistan.

are they bombing us now ??
i have a love hate opionion for those drone attacks
a lot of inoccent pakistanis died from them no doubt but without them kpk and bln would have been even worse off .

also US bombing does not /should not excuse the behavior of other countries
anyways

Lucky for you noone is asking to ally with Iran and lose those most coveted dollars, dirhams and riyals.

yeah do that and all of that money disappears

pro American indoctrination

lmfao
saar resistence saar
anti imperialist saar
while dickriding goverments that do the same but just to further their interests

Back to topic before I get thread banned. You did some good baiting there.

you were the one who got all defensive when @SteppeWolff rightly called out iran for their behavior

"win"

sure
but at the least u need to be winning or look like you are winning for the terror orgs to listen to your requests of ceasefire , for example the ttp ceasefire signesd by the three retards
you guys are literally asking PA to stop firing and fighitning in the hope that other side does that too
that is insanity , especially whn ther other side is motivated by religion and twisted ides of ethnic superiority and wish to see the suffering of your people

 

[Cipher212]

There is no military Op solution to Pakistan's western border problems, regardless of whether we have the money or not. The solution lies in political reforms, strengthening police and paramilitary and investing in jobs, infra and education for the people. Trade and de-confliction should be the foreign policy on the western border.

The military is a part of the solution. It has to obviously fight the BLA in the mean time that the necessary social and economic development can take place. They have to make sure that BLA doesn't try to blow up every road, pull or school that is built. It is like the space-saver wheel you put on your car so you can actually make it to the tyre shop in the first place. It is not the solution however.

However, the attitude I see from many members here and unfortunately, it is very similar to how our actual officer and minister class thinks. Their mindset is, koi development ki zarurat nahi. Bas eik acha sa operation karo, line me kharra kar ke maardo, and all shall be well and good. typical 'this qom only understands danda' mindset.

They don't want to actually develop Balochistan they just want it out of the news cycle. Because Pakistan at the moment, is really only Punjab and Karachi. Everything else is just part of the territory.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

The military is a part of the solution. It has to obviously fight the BLA in the mean time that the necessary social and economic development can take place. They have to make sure that BLA doesn't try to blow up every road, pull or school that is built. It is like the space-saver wheel you put on your car so you can actually make it to the tyre shop in the first place. It is not the solution however.

However, the attitude I see from many members here and unfortunately, it is very similar to how our actual officer and minister class thinks. Their mindset is, koi development ki zarurat nahi. Bas eik acha sa operation karo, line me kharra kar ke maardo, and all shall be well and good. typical 'this qom only understands danda' mindset.

They don't want to actually develop Balochistan they just want it out of the news cycle. Because Pakistan at the moment, is really only Punjab and Karachi. Everything else is just part of the territory.

You are wrong, you've not understood anything if you believe this

People are tired of this perpetually unstable state with no direction or vision. It's manifesting in different ways.

 

[Cipher212]

Genius you are already fighting an endless war because Pakistan military as per your wishes isn't going after the source of the insurgency that exists outside borders of pakistan



Then build that capacity if pakistan is to survive



Litterally nobody here thinks too high of Pakistani armed forces capabilities. Not me at least

You are wrong here too



Far better than suicide bombers exploding in your cities. And they don't tolerate those rocket attacks too unlike Pakistan that has ability to tolerate massive suicide attacks resulting in dozens of deaths



I never asked for that luxury either. Go read my previous posts again



Nope it isn't. It is the reality which you drawing room experts of Lahore and Islamabad don't want to accept



I have no problem with that

But if we are supposed to give political space to PTM (TTP) and BYC (BLA) then that facility should be given to political wings of all terrorist organization from Lashkar e Jhangvi to ISKP to any other



India is willing to go war with a nuclear powered neighbor while pakistan has no idea how to force two pariah shitholes to not provide refuge to terrorists

There is no difference



yup that is the result of not hitting terrorists in their safe havens



Ever heard of drones or covert operations?



It has always been tried. Dr Allah Nazar was released from the jail and he went to Iran to lead BLF

This nonsense that you are suggesting has been tried



Lol



No drawing room analyst. My idea was never implemented

in fact looking at your post I think you don't even know what exactly is my idea. You are just wasting your and my time in love of BLA



Sending drone to hit BLA inside Afghanistan would somehow stretch Pakistani army?

Okay. Nice




Lol operations are going to happen if their is militancy. That is the rule everywhere in the world. Yeah you in your rainbow world might not understand it but that is how states work. Only thing is Pakistani state is too confused about it.

I was writing a pretty long reply to this but halfway realised its not worth it.

Dekho, tum enjoy karo apni operations aur 'covert' operations and drone strikes. May you get the overseas operations you are wishing for. You will enjoy the spectacles of a few fireballs inside Iran and Afghanistan. Maybe we'll go after them hard with PAF and drop dozens of laser guided bombs on 'terrorist hideouts' and 'BLA and TTP HQs'. It's going to be beautiful for those couple of months and it'll really feel like BLA and TTP are over.

Noor Wali Mehsud/Bashir Zeb may die, just like Yahya Sinwar and then they'll be replaced by another guy.

Uss ke kuch arsay baad, Jaffar Express will blow up again and you'll be back on this thread crying that we need to bomb Uzbekistan or something.

Then you will realise something. That the guys we killed, their sons, cousins, brothers, grandsons, nephews all want revenge now. Oh shit, you just multiplied it because you were bombing your own people instead of improving their socio-economic conditions.

 

[Cipher212]

You are wrong, you've not understood anything if you believe this

Ethnic-nationalist detected. Opinion rejected.

 

[Watandar]

I was writing a pretty long reply to this but halfway realised its not worth it.

Dekho, tum enjoy karo apni operations aur 'covert' operations and drone strikes. May you get the overseas operations you are wishing for. You will enjoy the spectacles of a few fireballs inside Iran and Afghanistan. Maybe we'll go after them hard with PAF and drop dozens of laser guided bombs on 'terrorist hideouts' and 'BLA and TTP HQs'.

Noor Wali Mehsud/Bashir Zeb may die, just like Yahya Sinwar and then they'll be replaced by another guy.

Uss ke kuch arsay baad, Jaffar Express will blow up again and you'll be back on this thread crying that we need to bomb Uzbekistan or something.

It's weird that some around here advocate Israeli solutions, when Israel has not found peace through relentless murder and destruction inflicted on its adversaries.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Ethnic-nationalist detected. Opinion rejected.

??? What does that even mean.

 

[Cipher212]

agreed but u cant just say timeout and make the fighting stop , you have to win for it to stop

There is no 'winning' against insurgencies. Only in a few cases this has happened like in Sri Lanka where it was an enclosed Island with no escape points and the Sri Lankan military literally wiped out every last man child and woman associated with the Tamil Tigers. Complete and total wipe out of an entire movement.

You will not get that in a vast place like Balochistan with multiple entry exit points and Afghan/Iran neighbours.

 

[peacemaker99]

I think the best way to solve all problems in subcontinent.

Give pak balochistan mining contracts to Adani,

There will be peace between india and pak
Pak fauj will suddenly look at india differdntly
There will be peace in balochistan
I dont know about pak economy but pak mines will work with extreme efficiency

 

[Watandar]

I think the best way to solve all problems in subcontinent.

Give pak balochistan mining contracts to Adani,

There will be peace between india and pak
Pak fauj will suddenly look at india differdntly
There will be peace in balochistan
I dont know about pak economy but pak mines will work with extreme efficiency

Some creative thinking lol.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

There is no 'winning' against insurgencies. Only in a few cases this has happened like in Sri Lanka where it was an enclosed Island with no escape points and the Sri Lankan military literally wiped out every last man child and woman associated with the Tamil Tigers. Complete and total wipe out of an entire movement.

You will not get that in a vast place like Balochistan with multiple entry exit points and Afghan/Iran neighbours.

Wont really matter if you eliminate enough of them

 

[peacemaker99]

Some creative thinking lol.

Trust me....it will work. Last week he got the US justice dept to give him a b*** job. Before that he sank a short seller to oblivion....it is like Thanos paying you a visit....

 

[Cipher212]

It's weird that some around here advocate Israeli solutions, when Israel has not found peace through relentless murder and destruction inflicted on its adversaries.

Let them have it. Lets pray that the PAF to bomb Afghanistan and Irani Sistan round the clock. Get na-maloom afraad to roam around in vehicles doing targeted assasinations. Lets also bomb Balochistan 24/7. No movement of civilians in Balochistan. Total lockdown. Arrest every last Baloch who shows any signs of political activity. Throw the kitchen sink at them. Sink a couple billion dollars into the greatest counter-insurgency operation ever conducted. Make the 1980s Zia operation look like a joke.

Mark my words, in a couple of years we'll be back in a thread like this asking why Baloch are not being loyal Pakistanis like us good Punjabis and Sindhis.

 

[SteppeWolff]

I think the best way to solve all problems in subcontinent.

Give pak balochistan mining contracts to Adani,

There will be peace between india and pak
Pak fauj will suddenly look at india differdntly
There will be peace in balochistan
I dont know about pak economy but pak mines will work with extreme efficiency

We dont want filthy dalits in our Balochistan. No thanks jeet.