c14-Isotope
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Cost of power generation from each power plant during FY23, marked in red
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Bangladesh: Analyzing Hasina era Adani Power Deal
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BananaRepublic
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LeonBlack08
INT'L MOD
This is what happens when someone jumps in without understanding context. You would understand the reasoning if you had bothered to read the reports and posts before instead of throwing in nonsense of a post to troll.
2018 report because it is relevant to why this agreement was not feasible for Bangladesh right from the get go. They called out that the time horizon of the power plant doesn't make sense in the context that 3 other domestic power plant coming online all before this one. And all of the local power plants did come online before Godda.
Refer to my post: Post in thread 'Bangladesh: Analyzing Hasina era Adani Power Deal' https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...hasina-era-adani-power-deal.15264/post-416593
LeonBlack08
INT'L MOD
Yes comparing coal based plant with gasoline based ones, wonderful. Bullseye according to some.
I will give you comparative numbers from 2024 -
Payra - 12.73 /kwh
Rampal - 11.47/kwh
Adani - 15/kwh
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I have stated it over and over again that more than the cost it was about the need. Whether Bangladesh needed to get into this arrangement especially when we have one 1.3 GW plant sitting idle at this moment due to lack of coal because we have a forex crunch. Had we been at max capacity with all 3 local 1.3 GW plants producing, then having Adani deal would have made sense from the perspective that Bangladesh is transitioning away from gasoline based plants to a lower cost coal based one OR Bangladesh has more demand than production capacity. Even then the argument could have been to import from other lower cost power sources from Tripura, India which we have already been doing. So why pay extra for Adani? The cost comparison you shared defeats your own argument.
The criticism has been about the fact when Godda will become operational, Bangladesh will also have 3 other coal plant all producing at a lower cost and has 1.3 GW capacity each. Plus the RoopPur Nuclear plant. Therefore there was no need for Bangladesh to get into this arrangement at all.
But the focus is intentionally being put on cost alone repeatedly for obvious reasons to cater to your narrative to protect Adani and Hasina.
Moving the goal post when you can't score. Even then it doesn't stick when compared to comparable coal-based power plant.
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LeonBlack08
INT'L MOD
SoulSpokesman
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Why should we not compare tariffs of coal and oil based plants? Is the power from oil/ gas based plant more "potent" than coal based power? Does it pinch the BD consumer less than coal based power?
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c14-Isotope
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The report is wrong, stop this useless cherrypicking. If you don't understand something, at least learn to shut up in the wake of hard data.
FY23
Payra: 16.02 Tk/kWh
Rampal: 14.12 Tk/kWh
Adani: 14.02 Tk/kWh
So, your 2018 report says Adani's tariff is the highest while reality being opposite! Where is the Tk depreciation cost in that report?
When Payra and Rampal charged you MORE than Adani, did you close the other two power plants? or did you whine about the deal? or did you question the deal for those two?
If you cannot afford the new tariff, just cancel the deal, honour your contractual obligations and do whatever you want.
It does not change the fact that Adani provides CHEAP, RELIABLE, and "clean" 1600 MW electricity to Bangladesh.
LeonBlack08
INT'L MOD
Does coal and oil used to produce electricity cost the same?
Again, read my post above.
LeonBlack08
INT'L MOD
I explained the reasons for scrutiny of the deal more than adequately and it goes beyond cost/kwh. If you refuse or unable to understand it, that's your problem. Not mine.
Fallstuff
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You will have better luck arguing with a tree !!!
These folks just don’t more like don’t want to understand there was no need for this project in Bangladesh as you mentioned that very clearly.
SoulSpokesman
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@LeonBlack08
Does coal and oil used to produce electricity cost the same?
No, it doesn't. But how does it matter for the BD consumer?. You brought in opportunity cost, now you ignore it. Very opportunistic (no pun intended) of you.
Let me reframe the Q for you. Why would you buy power from oil plants at say BDT 20/unit if Adani was selling power for you at 15 (even if he was ripping you off by 3)?
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Does coal and oil used to produce electricity cost the same?
No, it doesn't. But how does it matter for the BD consumer?. You brought in opportunity cost, now you ignore it. Very opportunistic (no pun intended) of you.
Let me reframe the Q for you. Why would you buy power from oil plants at say BDT 20/unit if Adani was selling power for you at 15 (even if he was ripping you off by 3)?
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LeonBlack08
INT'L MOD
You are again centering your argument on cost when I have over and over again mentioned the criticism is about the need. I will bring you back to my point again.
Did Bangladesh intend to replace oil based plants with coal based plants by entering into agreement with Adani?
Bangladesh right now has a 1.3 GW capacity plant sitting idle because we are unable to import coal to produce electricity. When we have excess capacity like this sitting idle, it clearly suggests that they did not intend to replace the expensive gasoline based plants with the coal power plants in overall portfolio.
Had that been the case, all 3 lower cost coal based plants would have been fully operational and Adani would replace the comparatively higher cost oil based plants. In that case, a comparison between the cost of Adani power vs oil based power would have made sense, because that's what Adani was replacing.
This is my last response to you, because clearly you and your fellow countrymen are here to argue in bad faith by continuing to move the goal post to your convenience i.e. dragging the conversation to cost, when I have repeatedly mentioned the criticism is not just about cost but about need.
SoulSpokesman
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@LeonBlack08
I am not privy to your PowerMins plan, but prima facie it seems a good iďea to shut down all oil fired plants. The money you save on using FO will more than pay for the coal for your thermal power plants.
Obviously you have no rationale to offer for running your higher cost FO plants apart from shutting down Adani plant to show Bangobandhobi in a poor light. But all neutrals here can see what makes sense.
Have a good day.
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I am not privy to your PowerMins plan, but prima facie it seems a good iďea to shut down all oil fired plants. The money you save on using FO will more than pay for the coal for your thermal power plants.
Obviously you have no rationale to offer for running your higher cost FO plants apart from shutting down Adani plant to show Bangobandhobi in a poor light. But all neutrals here can see what makes sense.
Have a good day.
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BananaRepublic
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Together we have debunked all of their made up accusations.
First it was cost of coal - we pointed out the calorific values of coal dictates price.
Second it was cost of unit - we pointed out the relative price of domestic producers and those built by China in the neighbourhood.
Third it was capacity - we pointed out that buying power from Adani enables BD to shutdown inefficient, polluting and expensive, mainly oil based, power stations. Saving the country billions.
Only innuendo now they have is corruption - I am definitely open to that - but instead of blathering IG needs to provide proof and take it to international arbitration. Corruption allegations cannot be fought on social media - it needs to go to court.
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Guys the overall cost of the power supplied by Adani in the last fiscal was 12 Taka/kwh, which is only around 2 Taka/kwh more than the cost of saying generating the same power from Payra but of course you need to pay for the plant, obtain land and not worry about pollution.
It now seems almost certain that the price is based on current coal prices and so the initial quoted 14 Taka/kwh was at the much higher coal prices from 18 months ago.
"The Adani power costs Bangladesh about 12 taka ($0.1008) a unit, an official of the Bangladesh Power Development Board said, citing the latest audit report for financial year 2023/24.
That is 27% higher than the rate of India's other private producers and as much as 63% more than Indian state-owned plants, he added."
Guys the overall cost of the power supplied by Adani in the last fiscal was 12 Taka/kwh, which is only around 2 Taka/kwh more than the cost of saying generating the same power from Payra but of course you need to pay for the plant, obtain land and not worry about pollution.
It now seems almost certain that the price is based on current coal prices and so the initial quoted 14 Taka/kwh was at the much higher coal prices from 18 months ago.
"The Adani power costs Bangladesh about 12 taka ($0.1008) a unit, an official of the Bangladesh Power Development Board said, citing the latest audit report for financial year 2023/24.
That is 27% higher than the rate of India's other private producers and as much as 63% more than Indian state-owned plants, he added."
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