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[Master Chief]

I have asked you this question again and again but you have deflected multiple times.

Please tell us the pre partition and post partition minority population of a border region such as your Lahore.

Any further explanation on this will be only be given, after you have answered this simple question.

Of course a genius like you will refuse to engage with me on my actual assertions and instead will deflect by demanding a discourse on unrelated data from me, on threat of disengagement. This reaction was entirely expected from you.

Recall your words. You claimed it was not logical (specifically referencing the "logic" of 2 nation theory) for minorities to stay in bordering states adjacent to the majoritarian state. I rejected your claim of it being ILLOGICAL.

It is entirely reasonable, logical, and plausible for minorities to live in border states, and moreover, to do so in substantial numbers.

Here is your statement (once again) against which i argued, and which you now are attempting to back away from:

"It defies common sense that millions of Muslims will choose to remain in India in states bordering Bangladesh at partition and complete negates logic behind formation of your country"

Now scuttle off.

 

[Jaeger]

Of course a genius like you will refuse to engage with me on my actual assertions and instead will deflect by demanding a discourse on unrelated data from me, on threat of disengagement. This reaction was entirely expected from you.

Recall your words. You claimed it was not logical (specifically referencing the "logic" of 2 nation theory) for minorities to stay in bordering states adjacent to the majoritarian state. I rejected your claim of it being ILLOGICAL.

It is entirely reasonable, logical, and plausible for minorities to live in border states, and moreover, to do so in substantial numbers.

Here is your statement (once again) against which i argued, and which you now are attempting to back away from:

"It defies common sense that millions of Muslims will choose to remain in India in states bordering Bangladesh at partition and complete negates logic behind formation of your country"

Now scuttle off.

And only a coward like you will refuse to answer very simple question, because answering honestly will unravel you entire line of argument.

 

[Master Chief]

And only a coward like you will refuse to answer very simple question, because answering honestly will unravel you entire line of argument.

Are you stupid or illiterate?

You implied that LOGICALLY, NO MINORITIES should exist in bordering states. I told you this was patently false. I said, contrarily, MORE of a nation's minorities will likely exist in border states.

Now, as per your "logic", you prove to me that no minorities exist in border states on either sides of any border. To make it easier for you, ignore the "zero" request, simply prove to me that there are fewer Sikhs in Punjab Pakistan than in any state away from the Indian border. Also, prove to me that there are fewer Hindus in Sindh than in any state away from the Indian border.

Do it and shut me up if you think you can.

Btw, you already "unravelled" your own "line of argument" by pointing out the high percentages of Muslims in Assam both in 1947 and today.

 

[LeonBlack08]

I have quoted MEA statement on repatriation & you are bringing arrested fishermen ?

You have been pushing people for money for decades , we are just starting.

If pushing illegal people back to their country hurts bangladeshis ,so be it.

we don't care , India is not a dharamshala.

You posted MEA statement and I showed you actual sample proof of repatriation. My evidence is stronger than yours. If you can't get that, I won't bother spoon feeding you.

Bangladesh isn't a dharamshala either. You can't dump anyone who doesn't subscribe to your Hindutva ideology.

 

[LeonBlack08]

Do you want to push out your Hindus, because you believe they are not Bangladeshis or do you want to push them out because they are Hindus.

If its the former we will accept them, if it is the later this government will still accept them.( which i don't agree,that they should).

We don't want to push any Indian Muslim into Bangladesh. The are Indian as any Indian, but we should not accept a single illegal Bangladeshi in our midst.

That is why i asked you what documentation do you need from an Illegal migrant that will prove his nationality?

Bengali Muslims who can not prove the Indian citizenship of their parents or grand parents will be treated as Bangladeshi.

Please do not twist my words. Not once I said "I want" to deport Bangladeshi Hindus. I brought up the comparison to show you the absurdity of your claim that Bengali speaking Muslims do not exist post 1947.

Bangladeshi Hindus are as much Bangladeshi as Bangladeshi Muslims. My view is aligned with yours.

Re documentation - how does illegal immigrant repatriation work globally? You need to look at what documents an Indian national have that a foreigner wouldn't have access to? Birth certificate, passport, national id etc.

If a suspected illegal migrant is requested to produce such document and unable to do so, then you can make a case that they are Bangladeshi and approach appropriate diplomatic channels for repatriation. Bangladesh has accepted thousands for repatriation in the past through proper channel.

It's not really a rocket science.

 

[LeonBlack08]

This is rhetoric by Jamaatis and others. They also hate other Muslims and Bangladeshis including:

- Calling the current nationalist BNP government, the 'B team' of the Awami League or Awami League version 2.


- Calling any Muslim who doesn't agree with their evil anti-India, anti-Hindu agenda as a RAW agent, Hindutva bootlicker etc. Like ISIS and other extremists in the middle east, any Muslim who doesn't support them is either a 'Kafir' (infidel) or not a real Muslim like them (Jamaatis/ISIS).

In reality Bangladeshi Islamic scholars say it is haram (forbidden) for people to vote for Jamaat and these Jamaatis are a small, powerless minority in Bangladesh who are hated. I can provide lots of example.

However whereas we Bangladeshis have got Jamaatis under control e.g.:
They have to sing our anthem, amar shona Bangla (which they hate)
They have to stand under our flag (which they hate).

Jamaatis on this forum and elsewhere are now in meltdown and crying because our government appointed a new chairman for a traditionally Jamaati-run bank called 'Islami bank'.

It is socially and politically unacceptable for a politician in Bangladesh to promote rhetoric openly targeting Hindus and other non-Muslims.

In India you have elected Hindutva extremists and Muslim-haters to power and now they seek to implement a Nazi-style program of ethnic cleansing in West Bengal, which they will not be permitted to do and which could even reshape the map of south Asia, which we Bengalis have done a couple of times before.

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Stick to the topic. This isn't a thread for discussing your opinion of Bangladeshi political groups.

 

[Jaeger]

Please do not twist my words. Not once I said "I want" to deport Bangladeshi Hindus. I brought up the comparison to show you the absurdity of your claim that Bengali speaking Muslims do not exist post 1947.

Bangladeshi Hindus are as much Bangladeshi as Bangladeshi Muslims. My view is aligned with yours.

Re documentation - how does illegal immigrant repatriation work globally? You need to look at what documents an Indian national have that a foreigner wouldn't have access to? Birth certificate, passport, national id etc.

If a suspected illegal migrant is requested to produce such document and unable to do so, then you can make a case that they are Bangladeshi and approach appropriate diplomatic channels for repatriation. Bangladesh has accepted thousands for repatriation in the past through proper channel.

It's not really a rocket science.

If you are familiar with the subcontinent then you would know, with little bit of money changing hand on how easy it is for any one to procure normal identity documents like a Aadhar card or ration card or even birth certificate.

However what an illegal migrant is not able to procure is a one of these documents for their parents or grandparents, who are no longer alive or still back in their country of birth.

That is what National register citizens (which is currently only in Assam)does, ask suspected people for these legacy documents.

It should implemented in all the border states and those who are not able to prove that their parents or grandparents were citizens of India before 1971, should be sent back to their respective countries preferably diplomatically.

However if these countries are adamant at not accepting its own citizens, then as a last resort these people should sent back the same way they came into country.