bunyan-al-marsous: JF-17A delivering CM-400AKG
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CallSignMaverick
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RD33 is used by our MiG-29s, made locally.
prove it that the one shot down was using india assembled engine.
also prove that india is assembling rd33
CallSignMaverick
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HAL Koraput has been making Russian engines for long
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Vox Non Dei
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This is a false story and no a random website is not international media. Ramlal Singh was alive on 12th May morning when he talked to his wife. At that time India Pakistan were in cease fire already. So him dying in S-400 attack by some CM-400AKG is false.international media picking up on S400 operator killed
Evidence Emerges of S-400 System Components Destroyed in India: Operator’s Obituary Published
Indian media have published an obituary for an operator of the S-400 air defense system component that Pakistan destroyedmilitarnyi.com
More holes in India trying to hide S400 radar destroyed
Oscar
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So he just died of depression?
Vox Non Dei
SpeedLimited
Why does his manner of death matter? If he died after cease fire, why should we debate how he died?
Vital facts are that he was alive at around 11 AM 12th of May because his wife had talked to him on phone. So attributing his death to destruction or damage to S-400 is ruled out because by that time ceasefire had entered into effect.
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Yommie
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MiG-29 is powered by RD-33, not as good as RD-93.
TopGun786
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Keep trying..... Keep trying hard.....
Fatman17
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Please no foul languageI love it when jeets ache their fingers by typing..... trying to explain, and explain, and explain.
Whatever you do, just don't commit suicide.
sutton9999
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Chinese article about this, auto translate
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Armored Shovel Historian
2025-05-15 15:38 Published by Sichuan Military Field Creator
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Recently, the Pakistan Air Force announced that it had dispatched a JF-17 fighter jet equipped with CM-400AKG missiles to destroy an Indian S-400 air defense system. If this result can be further confirmed, it means that the CM-400AKG missile and the Chinese SEAD (enemy air defense suppression) system behind it have achieved results for the first time.
1. The S-400 attack "Rashomon"
It was revealed that the destroyed S-400 system was deployed at the Adampur base in Punjab Province, which is also equipped with the MIG-29UPG fighter jets of the 47th Squadron. Therefore, Pakistan's air strike may not be entirely aimed at the S-400, but compared with the "refurbished" MIG-29UPG, the S-400 worth $1.5 billion is obviously a higher-value target.
■Caption: Satellite image of Adampur base.
However, after the May 7 air battle, India began to control the media, making it difficult to quickly determine the results of the battle through various open source information as before, and therefore there were various rumors, such as "the S-400 at the base was wiped out". Considering that the S-400 purchased by India has 8 missile launchers, a mobile command center, multiple early warning and fire control radars, and multiple service vehicles in one regiment; if you want to destroy all the vehicles at once, you need to dispatch at least one squadron of "Fierce Dragon" and a corresponding number of cover fighters, and this kind of battle is bound to trigger a chain reaction at the base and other Indian air force units. But from the information of all parties, this situation did not happen; and the so-called "due to access to the civilian power grid, the S-400 was shut down after the power outage caused by the Pakistani cyber attack" is even more nonsense - after all, the system itself is equipped with power generation equipment.
■Caption: The S-400 air defense missile system consists of a variety of vehicles.
However, judging from the limited social media information, the "Spider" air defense system deployed at the base also participated in the interception, indicating that some CM-400AKGs successfully broke through the S-400 interception and reached the inner circle of the base's air defense. Information circulating on the Internet shows that S-400 operators also suffered casualties in the attack. If the CM-400AKG achieved success, it is more likely to have destroyed key subsystems of the S-400, such as radars or command vehicles.
■Caption: The scattered debris of Derby (bottom) and Python-5 (top) missiles used by the Spade air defense system around the Adampur base.
Although it is unlikely that the S-400 system was completely wiped out, if this record is confirmed, it would not be the first time that the S-400 system was "broken": as early as August 2023, the S-400 system deployed in Crimea was destroyed by the ATACMS ballistic missile launched by the HIMARS, and some vehicles in the system were destroyed. The CM-400AKG used by the Pakistani military to destroy the S-400 system also "happens to be" a ballistic missile.
■Caption: The S-400 system radar vehicle destroyed in Crimea.
2. What is the “defense-breaking” CM-400AKG?
As early as the 2012 Zhuhai Air Show, the CM-400AKG was unveiled, but the CM-400AKG at that time was different from the official model that was subsequently installed: the small aspect ratio trapezoidal wing used by the early CM-400AKG was longer and larger than the current one, indicating that the missile installed by Pakistan later had an improvement in speed - its maximum speed exceeded Mach 4, so that it could still maintain sufficient lift when the wing area was reduced. From public propaganda, the range of the CM-400AKG is about 100km (low-altitude launch) - 240km (high-altitude launch); however, because the range of ballistic missiles is often related to factors such as reentry speed, and the speed of the CM-400AKG has the potential to deliver it to 300km or even further, the publicly displayed range may be "reduced" to circumvent the "Missile and Technology Export Control Agreement".
■Caption: The model first displayed in 2012 (left) and the model officially put into service (right).
In terms of guidance, the CM-400AKG uses multi-mode guidance. It is generally believed that the missile uses satellite missile/inertial navigation composite guidance in the mid-course of the trajectory, and the accuracy of hitting fixed targets is within 10m error; from the shield structure of the CM-400AKG head, the missile can also be equipped with active/passive radar guidance, thus having a certain ability to strike mobile targets at sea.
■Caption: CM-400AKG air-to-surface missile.
It is worth mentioning that although the CM-400AKG is a ballistic missile, it does not completely follow the traditional parabolic trajectory. The CM-400AKG equipped with wings has a certain degree of maneuverability, and can be controlled to jump at the end and use a dive attack. Although the S-400 has a certain ballistic missile interception capability, it was originally designed to target cruise targets (for medium- and short-range ballistic missiles, it is mainly the work of the S-300V/Antey-2500 series). The interception distance of ballistic missiles does not exceed 60km, and the long-range warning radar and fire control radar in the system have a certain blind spot in the area directly above, which has also become a factor in the S-400's possible "defense break".
■Caption: The Antey-2500 is specially designed to intercept ballistic missile targets.
3. The “Chinese System” Behind Pakistan’s SEAD
Pakistan's attack on the S-400 is clearly a SEAD operation. As early as in the 2023 Pakistan Air Force military exercise, the tactical arrangement for executing such missions was demonstrated - the early warning aircraft served as the air command post, the J-10CE was responsible for air cover, and the DA-20 electronic warfare aircraft provided a large-scale electromagnetic suppression, and the "Fierce Dragon" mounted the CM-400AKG to simulate the attack on the opponent's deep targets.
■Caption: J-10CE during the Eagle-10 joint military exercise.
It is worth mentioning that the DA-20 was originally a French Dassault Falcon-20 business jet. Pakistan improved it in 2018 and equipped it with the JN-1101F electronic countermeasure system exported from China, which is specially used to interfere with and suppress the opponent's air-to-air/air-to-ground command and guidance system. After the India-Pakistan air war in 2019, Pakistan revealed the role of the DA-20 in the air war; and the aircraft appeared again in the May 7 air war.
■Caption: Pakistan’s DA-20 electronic warfare aircraft.
Considering that a single CM-400AKG weighs 910kg, after mounting the auxiliary fuel tank and two CM-400AKGs, the "Fierce Dragon" has no spare capacity to carry the self-defense electronic jamming pod. Therefore, the "Fierce Dragon" is likely to replicate the process of the 2023 military exercise this time, rather than acting alone - multiple J-10CE dual-aircraft formations were dispatched to conduct feints inside Pakistan from high altitudes with the intelligence support of DA-20 electronic warfare aircraft and early warning aircraft. Under the residual power of the 5.7 air battle, the Indian side did not take off fighter jets on a large scale to respond; and because the S-400 is deployed only 89 kilometers away from the India-Pakistan border, the "Fierce Dragon" formation executing SEAD took advantage of the lack of early warning aircraft and weak downward vision capabilities in this direction of the Indian side, and used the CM-400AKG range redundancy to launch from low altitude to conceal its combat intentions, and finally successfully "broke the defense" of the S-400.
■Caption: Schematic diagram of SEAD operations in the Pakistan Air Force military exercise in 2023.
Conclusion
Regardless of the outcome, the JF-17's attack and safe return have demonstrated the Pakistani Air Force's ability to conduct long-range strikes with the support of a complete set of Chinese combat systems. Compared with the India-Pakistan air war in 2019, the US-made equipment that once occupied a core position may gradually fade out of the Pakistani Air Force's vision.
解析枭龙摧毁S-400疑云：中式防空压制和空地导弹成功出圈_腾讯新闻
近日，巴基斯坦空军宣布出动挂载CM-400AKG导弹的“枭龙”战机，摧毁了印度一套S-400防空系统。若该战果能被进一步证实，就意味着CM-400AKG导弹与背后的中系SEAD（敌防空压制作战）体系....
Analysis of the mystery of Xiaolong destroying S-400: Chinese air defense suppression and air-to-ground missiles successfully broke out of the circle
Armored Shovel Historian
2025-05-15 15:38 Published by Sichuan Military Field Creator
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Recently, the Pakistan Air Force announced that it had dispatched a JF-17 fighter jet equipped with CM-400AKG missiles to destroy an Indian S-400 air defense system. If this result can be further confirmed, it means that the CM-400AKG missile and the Chinese SEAD (enemy air defense suppression) system behind it have achieved results for the first time.
1. The S-400 attack "Rashomon"
It was revealed that the destroyed S-400 system was deployed at the Adampur base in Punjab Province, which is also equipped with the MIG-29UPG fighter jets of the 47th Squadron. Therefore, Pakistan's air strike may not be entirely aimed at the S-400, but compared with the "refurbished" MIG-29UPG, the S-400 worth $1.5 billion is obviously a higher-value target.
■Caption: Satellite image of Adampur base.
However, after the May 7 air battle, India began to control the media, making it difficult to quickly determine the results of the battle through various open source information as before, and therefore there were various rumors, such as "the S-400 at the base was wiped out". Considering that the S-400 purchased by India has 8 missile launchers, a mobile command center, multiple early warning and fire control radars, and multiple service vehicles in one regiment; if you want to destroy all the vehicles at once, you need to dispatch at least one squadron of "Fierce Dragon" and a corresponding number of cover fighters, and this kind of battle is bound to trigger a chain reaction at the base and other Indian air force units. But from the information of all parties, this situation did not happen; and the so-called "due to access to the civilian power grid, the S-400 was shut down after the power outage caused by the Pakistani cyber attack" is even more nonsense - after all, the system itself is equipped with power generation equipment.
■Caption: The S-400 air defense missile system consists of a variety of vehicles.
However, judging from the limited social media information, the "Spider" air defense system deployed at the base also participated in the interception, indicating that some CM-400AKGs successfully broke through the S-400 interception and reached the inner circle of the base's air defense. Information circulating on the Internet shows that S-400 operators also suffered casualties in the attack. If the CM-400AKG achieved success, it is more likely to have destroyed key subsystems of the S-400, such as radars or command vehicles.
■Caption: The scattered debris of Derby (bottom) and Python-5 (top) missiles used by the Spade air defense system around the Adampur base.
Although it is unlikely that the S-400 system was completely wiped out, if this record is confirmed, it would not be the first time that the S-400 system was "broken": as early as August 2023, the S-400 system deployed in Crimea was destroyed by the ATACMS ballistic missile launched by the HIMARS, and some vehicles in the system were destroyed. The CM-400AKG used by the Pakistani military to destroy the S-400 system also "happens to be" a ballistic missile.
■Caption: The S-400 system radar vehicle destroyed in Crimea.
2. What is the “defense-breaking” CM-400AKG?
As early as the 2012 Zhuhai Air Show, the CM-400AKG was unveiled, but the CM-400AKG at that time was different from the official model that was subsequently installed: the small aspect ratio trapezoidal wing used by the early CM-400AKG was longer and larger than the current one, indicating that the missile installed by Pakistan later had an improvement in speed - its maximum speed exceeded Mach 4, so that it could still maintain sufficient lift when the wing area was reduced. From public propaganda, the range of the CM-400AKG is about 100km (low-altitude launch) - 240km (high-altitude launch); however, because the range of ballistic missiles is often related to factors such as reentry speed, and the speed of the CM-400AKG has the potential to deliver it to 300km or even further, the publicly displayed range may be "reduced" to circumvent the "Missile and Technology Export Control Agreement".
■Caption: The model first displayed in 2012 (left) and the model officially put into service (right).
In terms of guidance, the CM-400AKG uses multi-mode guidance. It is generally believed that the missile uses satellite missile/inertial navigation composite guidance in the mid-course of the trajectory, and the accuracy of hitting fixed targets is within 10m error; from the shield structure of the CM-400AKG head, the missile can also be equipped with active/passive radar guidance, thus having a certain ability to strike mobile targets at sea.
■Caption: CM-400AKG air-to-surface missile.
It is worth mentioning that although the CM-400AKG is a ballistic missile, it does not completely follow the traditional parabolic trajectory. The CM-400AKG equipped with wings has a certain degree of maneuverability, and can be controlled to jump at the end and use a dive attack. Although the S-400 has a certain ballistic missile interception capability, it was originally designed to target cruise targets (for medium- and short-range ballistic missiles, it is mainly the work of the S-300V/Antey-2500 series). The interception distance of ballistic missiles does not exceed 60km, and the long-range warning radar and fire control radar in the system have a certain blind spot in the area directly above, which has also become a factor in the S-400's possible "defense break".
■Caption: The Antey-2500 is specially designed to intercept ballistic missile targets.
3. The “Chinese System” Behind Pakistan’s SEAD
Pakistan's attack on the S-400 is clearly a SEAD operation. As early as in the 2023 Pakistan Air Force military exercise, the tactical arrangement for executing such missions was demonstrated - the early warning aircraft served as the air command post, the J-10CE was responsible for air cover, and the DA-20 electronic warfare aircraft provided a large-scale electromagnetic suppression, and the "Fierce Dragon" mounted the CM-400AKG to simulate the attack on the opponent's deep targets.
■Caption: J-10CE during the Eagle-10 joint military exercise.
It is worth mentioning that the DA-20 was originally a French Dassault Falcon-20 business jet. Pakistan improved it in 2018 and equipped it with the JN-1101F electronic countermeasure system exported from China, which is specially used to interfere with and suppress the opponent's air-to-air/air-to-ground command and guidance system. After the India-Pakistan air war in 2019, Pakistan revealed the role of the DA-20 in the air war; and the aircraft appeared again in the May 7 air war.
■Caption: Pakistan’s DA-20 electronic warfare aircraft.
Considering that a single CM-400AKG weighs 910kg, after mounting the auxiliary fuel tank and two CM-400AKGs, the "Fierce Dragon" has no spare capacity to carry the self-defense electronic jamming pod. Therefore, the "Fierce Dragon" is likely to replicate the process of the 2023 military exercise this time, rather than acting alone - multiple J-10CE dual-aircraft formations were dispatched to conduct feints inside Pakistan from high altitudes with the intelligence support of DA-20 electronic warfare aircraft and early warning aircraft. Under the residual power of the 5.7 air battle, the Indian side did not take off fighter jets on a large scale to respond; and because the S-400 is deployed only 89 kilometers away from the India-Pakistan border, the "Fierce Dragon" formation executing SEAD took advantage of the lack of early warning aircraft and weak downward vision capabilities in this direction of the Indian side, and used the CM-400AKG range redundancy to launch from low altitude to conceal its combat intentions, and finally successfully "broke the defense" of the S-400.
■Caption: Schematic diagram of SEAD operations in the Pakistan Air Force military exercise in 2023.
Conclusion
Regardless of the outcome, the JF-17's attack and safe return have demonstrated the Pakistani Air Force's ability to conduct long-range strikes with the support of a complete set of Chinese combat systems. Compared with the India-Pakistan air war in 2019, the US-made equipment that once occupied a core position may gradually fade out of the Pakistani Air Force's vision.
Oscar
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Why obfuscate his death?
Because that also calls into question whether he died at the time you claim or not?
Because like many cases before India has hidden losses and obfuscated information to hide them.
Cryptonian
Registered Member
Looks like even China can't provide you with satellite pics of your non-existent strikes, hence clutching for whichever straw you see.
Vox Non Dei
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BTW, the more you look into this "scoop" of Rambabu Singh being a S-400 operator, the clearer it becomes that such was not the case.
S-400 is operated by Airforce in India and NOT by Army which he belonged to.
Three deployments of S-400 are in Siliguri corridor, Punjab (Adampur) and in Rajasthan.
Udhampur does not have a S-400 deployment, AFAIK. He was killed in J&K not Punjab.
Even debrief from ISPR showed Adampur and not Udhampur for S-400.
No. Its much simpler from the looks of it. Incompetence and politics.
Incompetence in informing family properly.
Politics in Bihar in making best use of a death and ensuing mess.
If India wanted to hide, there would not have been any intimation or news right now. He would have been found missing and dead after 3 months or so.
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