Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

The number of planes in Chinese brigades varies from 24 to 40 So it doesn't foreclose mix brigade 24 J20 and 12 J 10 C and spare or trainer for the rest. I do see a mix of brigades if I remember
 
Deino said:
Unfortunately he is wrong ... (with the brigade)!

Not the 44th AB (
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) is converting - in fact this one was just yesterday confirmed to have gained J-10C - but the 2nd AB !

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Anyway still i have not 15 but "only" 11 confirmed J-20 units on my list with four more likely:

Confirmed are:

176th, 172nd, 1st, 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th, 41st, 56th, 97th & 111th = 11

likely are:

55th, 19th, 54th & 2nd with rumours for the 131st too.
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The J-10 in your photo looks like a J-10A

The air intake is squared:

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Deino said:
Confirmed are:
176th, 172nd, 1st, 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th, 41st, 56th, 97th & 111th = 11
likely are:
55th, 19th, 54th & 2nd with rumours for the 131st too.
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I was surprised. Where did you get this information?

In China, we rarely use numeric codes to describe brigade-level units of the military. More often than not, we use the "Chinese nicknames" of these troops to refer to them.
Since the inception of PLA. The numbering of individual units changed with each reform of the military system. Such a large-scale reform of the military system was carried out many times in the PLA. Only their "Chinese nicknames" will always accompany this force. So, the Chinese usually remember their "Chinese nicknames" instead of their troop numbers.
 
Michael said:
I was surprised. Where did you get this information?

In China, we rarely use numeric codes to describe brigade-level units of the military. More often than not, we use the "Chinese nicknames" of these troops to refer to them.
Since the inception of PLA. The numbering of individual units changed with each reform of the military system. Such a large-scale reform of the military system was carried out many times in the PLA. Only their "Chinese nicknames" will always accompany this force. So, the Chinese usually remember their "Chinese nicknames" instead of their troop numbers.
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These numbers are "nicknames". The actual unit number has more digits, such as 57382.
 
Michael said:
I was surprised. Where did you get this information?

In China, we rarely use numeric codes to describe brigade-level units of the military. More often than not, we use the "Chinese nicknames" of these troops to refer to them.
Since the inception of PLA. The numbering of individual units changed with each reform of the military system. Such a large-scale reform of the military system was carried out many times in the PLA. Only their "Chinese nicknames" will always accompany this force. So, the Chinese usually remember their "Chinese nicknames" instead of their troop numbers.
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Well, as you may have noticed, this is my hobby … to analyse serial numbers, look for hints on these unit numbers/designation, which are indeed some sort of official, since the unit badges usually show them proudly.
In fact these brigade designations are inherit from the original Air Divisions and Air Regiments linage and still in use.

Concerning the nicknames, this may be and I also know a few, but unfortunately not all … the 9th Air Brigade flying J-20 for example are named the „Wang Hai Brigade“ as far as I know.

nang2 said:
These numbers are "nicknames". The actual unit number has more digits, such as 57382.
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I now - aren‘t they called MUC-numbers? - but in fact they are even more difficult to identify.
 
Deino said:
Well, as you may have noticed, this is my hobby … to analyse serial numbers, look for hints on these unit numbers/designation, which are indeed some sort of official, since the unit badges usually show them proudly.
In fact these brigade designations are inherit from the original Air Divisions and Air Regiments linage and still in use.

Concerning the nicknames, this may be and I also know a few, but unfortunately not all … the 9th Air Brigade flying J-20 for example are named the „Wang Hai Brigade“ as far as I know.



I now - aren‘t they called MUC-numbers? - but in fact they are even more difficult to identify.
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Yes. Being more difficult to identify is the whole intention. Strangely, though, in practice, different "names" are used without a clear idea on why. For example, one of my classmates' dad was the commander of the 5th Division (infantry). We just called it "the 5th Division" without knowing its actual unit number. But the unit right next to the one my parents worked in was called with its unit number all the time without knowing what this unit actually does. For the unit my parents worked in, internally, its "nickname" was used but externally its official unit number was used. My parents explicitly told me to use the official unit number when talking with strangers. That was a long time ago so things might have changed greatly since.
 
Deino said:
Well, as you may have noticed, this is my hobby … to analyse serial numbers, look for hints on these unit numbers/designation, which are indeed some sort of official, since the unit badges usually show them proudly.
In fact these brigade designations are inherit from the original Air Divisions and Air Regiments linage and still in use.

Concerning the nicknames, this may be and I also know a few, but unfortunately not all … the 9th Air Brigade flying J-20 for example are named the „Wang Hai Brigade“ as far as I know.



I now - aren‘t they called MUC-numbers? - but in fact they are even more difficult to identify.
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However, these force numbers change frequently. Every few years they will have a major change, and usually some minor changes.

If we look at the history of a particular unit, we see this. This unit has gone through many troop number changes in its history. Sometimes these changes are publicly accessible, sometimes they are classified.

For the Air Force, Chinese military fans usually describe them by their base names. For example: Dingxin Base, Cangzhou Base ...... Few people can remember their unit numbers.

nang2 said:
But the unit right next to the one my parents worked in was called with its unit number all the time without knowing what this unit actually does. For the unit my parents worked in, internally, its "nickname" was used but externally its official unit number was used. My parents explicitly told me to use the official unit number when talking with strangers. That was a long time ago so things might have changed greatly since.
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The situation you describe is very common in China. Maybe you are very young and not used to this way.

A few decades ago, all state-run organizations in China used numerical numbering to represent them. This is the case with all the state-run organizations around me. Even the names of some places are described by numbers.
For example, we often talk about 624, 606, etc. on the PDF.
All state-run institutions around me, such as businesses and hospitals, are numbered, and locals often use these numbers to represent them.
 
Michael said:
However, these force numbers change frequently. Every few years they will have a major change, and usually some minor changes.

If we look at the history of a particular unit, we see this. This unit has gone through many troop number changes in its history. Sometimes these changes are publicly accessible, sometimes they are classified.

For the Air Force, Chinese military fans usually describe them by their base names. For example: Dingxin Base, Cangzhou Base ...... Few people can remember their unit numbers.


The situation you describe is very common in China. Maybe you are very young and not used to this way.

A few decades ago, all state-run organizations in China used numerical numbering to represent them. This is the case with all the state-run organizations around me. Even the names of some places are described by numbers.
For example, we often talk about 624, 606, etc. on the PDF.
All state-run institutions around me, such as businesses and hospitals, are numbered, and locals often use these numbers to represent them.
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I am at an age that would make me appreciate being called young. Haha :D
 
nang2 said:
I am at an age that would make me appreciate being called young. Haha :D
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I'm just guessing. Usually only young people or people who rarely live in China are confused about this.
I don't know which category you fall into.
 
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