Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[iblini]

Are we sure the factory would only fulfill the J-35 order?

Remember that SAC currently manufactures or develops for production:
J-15T/DH
J-16/D
J-35/A
J-50 (in development)

A lots of production will be shifted to the new plant, obviously, just like CAC is currently focusing on J20, the new plant is mainly for J35 and future J-50.

 

[Michael]

Are we sure the factory would only fulfill the J-35 order?

Remember that SAC currently manufactures or develops for production:
J-15T/DH
J-16/D
J-35/A
J-50 (in development)

The current public information:
SAC's production plant relocation plan will last for many years. The current SAC new plant is only the first phase of the plan, and there are many follow-up construction projects.
SAC's current plant (old plant) will continue to carry out relevant production work until the subsequent phase is completed.

So, my analysis is:
SAC's new plant will focus on the work related to the new fighter (J-35/J-50......). And its old plant will continue to produce the Chinese Flanker series fighter.
When they completely close the old plant, it also means that the Chinese Flanker series fighter project will be completely terminated. Yes, the new plant will no longer have a production line for the Chinese Flanker series fighter.

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Regarding the final production volume of J-20, we cannot predict this issue. But I can provide some analytical references.

1. The J-20's pulsating production line has only been put into production for a short time, and it has mainly adopted the traditional production model before. Based on the simplest business analysis, the investment recovery of this production line will take a long time.
2. CAC is to produce and develop the J-20 as a fighter platform. It is not a simple fighter. In the future, the platform will produce more fighters with different variants. (Reference: Derivatives of China's Su-27 platform.)

 

[Rational Philosopher]

The current public information:
SAC's production plant relocation plan will last for many years. The current SAC new plant is only the first phase of the plan, and there are many follow-up construction projects.
SAC's current plant (old plant) will continue to carry out relevant production work until the subsequent phase is completed.

So, my analysis is:
SAC's new plant will focus on the work related to the new fighter (J-35/J-50......). And its old plant will continue to produce the Chinese Flanker series fighter.
When they completely close the old plant, it also means that the Chinese Flanker series fighter project will be completely terminated. Yes, the new plant will no longer have a production line for the Chinese Flanker series fighter.

Has there been any discussion/rumours on a twin seat J-35?

 

[Farhan23]

The current public information:
SAC's production plant relocation plan will last for many years.

Will that not slow down the multi production of J-35.

One thing China is good at is quick mass production, China should defend that edge.

 

[Michael]

Has there been any discussion/rumours on a twin seat J-35?

No.

Will that not slow down the multi production of J-35.

One thing China is good at is quick mass production, China should defend that edge.

The SAC relocation project is a very large project. The "largeness" of this project is beyond your imagination. The new J-35 factory is just the first phase of the plan.

 

[gambit]

Pardon? So the F-22 was and still is NOT a „twin engine stealth fighter“ for you?

No, I have a confidential source from Nellis that the F-22 is single engine. The other engine is fake. We have been fooling the world all these decades.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Kinda proving my point. The F-35 and even the F-22's avionics and network connectivity will allow them to control drones without giving the pilot more workload of inputting commands to the drones every moment. J20 or chinese tech is not there yet which is why for the J20 RIO.

Well no unnecessary comments from my side.
Time will tell how capable J20 is or isn't.
Considering the geo politics going on in the region I believe soon J20 will be tested in the real combat.

 

[SecularNationalist]

No, I have a confidential source from Nellis that the F-22 is single engine. The other engine is fake. We have been fooling the world all these decades.

Before going all blitzkrieg on me you better scroll up to find out that was a typo from me. I meant twin seater.

 

[corven]

Well no unnecessary comments from my side.
Time will tell how capable J20 is or isn't.
Considering the geo politics going on in the region I believe soon J20 will be tested in the real combat.

These stupid MAGA guys are arrogant and ignorant. He doesn't know that China's drone swarms have already achieved autonomous flight, autonomous networking, autonomous coordination, autonomous reconnaissance, and autonomous attack. This is public information on CCTV7. I treat him as a joke and don't bother to pay attention to him.

 

[Zoyou]

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[Deino]

Just beautiful and a good comparison of all three active versions

 

[corven]

Yes. Therefore, it's difficult to project the PLAAF's force by 2030, but matching the USAF seems to be the Chinese requirement. If so, 1,000 J-20s will be on the agenda, plus a few hundred more J-35As. We'll see how quickly the J-35A is produced and enters service compared to the J-20 in the long term; we'll be much more informed when that happens. But a projected force of >1,000 5th-generation fighters by 2030 is highly possible and feasible. I would expect up to 1,500 5th-generation fighters by 2030, considering only the PLAAF. I strongly doubt China has 3,000 fighters, and even that can't be justified, even if the US and all its regional allies are included.

Your idea ignores the limited number of US air bases in the first and second island chains. The US Air Force is an air force that performs global missions. But the Chinese Air Force is not.
If Japan and South Korea participate in the war, they have to consider their own extremely limited land area and limited military bases. South Korea also has to consider the military threat from North Korea. Because of the uncertainty regarding Japan and South Korea, the United States has stepped up its efforts to woo the Philippines. The United States is preparing to deploy medium-range missiles to the Philippines instead of Japan. This in itself can explain some problems.

 

[Deino]

WS-10C vs. C2

 

[Michael]

A recent hit on Chinese social media:

CCTV military channel released a news mentioning that J-20 fighter jets had flown over the Bashi Channel and Tsushima Strait ......


The news quickly led to heated discussions. Especially in South Korea and Japan.
After that, CCTV Military Channel modified the article and deleted the content ......


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The Tsushima Strait is the maritime boundary between Japan and South Korea. There is a high seas channel in the middle of the entire strait.

The narrowest point of the Tsushima Strait is only 40km, and the total length is about 220km.

Japan and South Korea have deployed a large number of various weaponry and detection equipment on both sides of the strait. ......

 

[RajaBaja]

Your idea ignores the limited number of US air bases in the first and second island chains. The US Air Force is an air force that performs global missions. But the Chinese Air Force is not.
If Japan and South Korea participate in the war, they have to consider their own extremely limited land area and limited military bases. South Korea also has to consider the military threat from North Korea. Because of the uncertainty regarding Japan and South Korea, the United States has stepped up its efforts to woo the Philippines. The United States is preparing to deploy medium-range missiles to the Philippines instead of Japan. This in itself can explain some problems.

In an event of a true conflict, the US will operate through its CBG's, plus Guam, Japan, Philippines, South Korea, Australia, and Indian Nicobar islands and plus over two dozen large attack submarines.

There are a couple of large Islands right around the second Island chain that the US has never used.

India will not directly participate in the war with China due to its fear of losing a few states towards the Tibet side in the chicken neck region.