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China, eager to show it’s open to non-Chinese brands, puts Tesla on a government procurement list for the first time

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Chinese government officials were once so wary of Teslas that they barred the cars from government spaces. But now, as Western governments slap tariffs on Chinese EVs, one local government in China trusts Teslas enough to make them part of its fleet of service cars.

Jiangsu’s provincial government included Tesla’s Model Y on a government procurement list published June 6.

It’s the first time the U.S. EV maker’s models have been made available for government purchase, according to The Paper, a Chinese media outlet. Chinese governments generally do not purchase imported cars without special approval, but luckily Tesla’s Model Y’s count as a domestically produced car, likely due to the company’s Gigafactory in Shanghai.

The list includes one other non-Chinese carmaker, Volvo. Yet, like Tesla, that inclusion may be a special case: Volvo is owned by China’s Geely and operates production plants in three Chinese cities.

The Paper noted the Jiangsu procurement center said Tesla signaled its interest to officials to join the purchase list.

The Jiangsu government has not publicly committed to purchasing any Model Y’s from Tesla.

Jiangsu’s decision to accept a foreign-branded EV—albeit one likely made in China—comes against the backdrop of a protectionist backlash against Chinese EVs. Both the U.S. and the European Union have recently announced steep tariffs on electric cars made in China. The EU’s tariffs go into effect on Friday.

The government’s willingness to buy Teslas “shows that we are making a fair and diverse choice instead of only listing Chinese new energy vehicle brands,” Cui Dongshu, the secretary-general of the China Passenger Car Association, told state media outlet Global Times.

Shares in Tesla are up after the EV maker posted better-than-expected deliveries for its second quarter. Sales of the companies sometimes-derided Cybertruck are also reportedly picking up.

Tesla in China

Tesla is the only significant non-Chinese player in China’s fiercely competitive EV market, though a years-long price war with domestic manufacturers is pressuring its sales numbers and margins.

China’s government celebrated Tesla’s Chinese investments as an endorsement of its auto industry, and analysts credit the U.S. company with helping to jumpstart China’s EV sector. Yet officials at times have shown distrust of the foreign carmaker. Concerns over data traveling overseas led to officials blocking Teslas from some government and military compounds.

But recently, Tesla has notched several policy wins in China. In April, China’s auto industry association stated that two China-made Tesla models complied with the country’s data security requirements. That decision could pave the way for Tesla to launch its assisted-driving technology in China.

Deliveries of Tesla’s China-made cars fell 24.2% year-on-year in June, totalling 71,007 cars, according to data from the China Passenger Car Association. The association’s data does not distinguish between cars made for the domestic market and those bound overseas, but Bloomberg notes that Tesla typically focuses on the local market in the last month of each quarter.

Tesla will report its second-quarter earnings on July 23.
 

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Keep in mind that's after 10 years of Tesla being in the market....

April 2014

Tesla Motors made its first delivery in China on Tuesday, handing over eight all-electric sedans to eager customers at a launch event in Beijing
 
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From what I know, foreign brands are everywhere in China.

This is reminded me with the video in YouTube, "For the First Time in China".

The tourist is surprised there are KFC, Nike Store, Walmart, etc in China... and almost everywhere.
 

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From what I know, foreign brands are everywhere in China.

This is reminded me with the video in YouTube, "For the First Time in China".

The tourist is surprised there are KFC, Nike Store, Walmart, etc in China... and almost everywhere.
 

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Tesla is largely a Chinese company, over half of all Tesla cars are made in China, using Chinese suppliers.
 

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Chinese government officials were once so wary of Teslas that they barred the cars from government spaces. But now, as Western governments slap tariffs on Chinese EVs, one local government in China trusts Teslas enough to make them part of its fleet of service cars.

Jiangsu’s provincial government included Tesla’s Model Y on a government procurement list published June 6.

It’s the first time the U.S. EV maker’s models have been made available for government purchase, according to The Paper, a Chinese media outlet. Chinese governments generally do not purchase imported cars without special approval, but luckily Tesla’s Model Y’s count as a domestically produced car, likely due to the company’s Gigafactory in Shanghai.

The list includes one other non-Chinese carmaker, Volvo. Yet, like Tesla, that inclusion may be a special case: Volvo is owned by China’s Geely and operates production plants in three Chinese cities.

The Paper noted the Jiangsu procurement center said Tesla signaled its interest to officials to join the purchase list.

The Jiangsu government has not publicly committed to purchasing any Model Y’s from Tesla.

Jiangsu’s decision to accept a foreign-branded EV—albeit one likely made in China—comes against the backdrop of a protectionist backlash against Chinese EVs. Both the U.S. and the European Union have recently announced steep tariffs on electric cars made in China. The EU’s tariffs go into effect on Friday.

The government’s willingness to buy Teslas “shows that we are making a fair and diverse choice instead of only listing Chinese new energy vehicle brands,” Cui Dongshu, the secretary-general of the China Passenger Car Association, told state media outlet Global Times.

Shares in Tesla are up after the EV maker posted better-than-expected deliveries for its second quarter. Sales of the companies sometimes-derided Cybertruck are also reportedly picking up.

Tesla in China

Tesla is the only significant non-Chinese player in China’s fiercely competitive EV market, though a years-long price war with domestic manufacturers is pressuring its sales numbers and margins.

China’s government celebrated Tesla’s Chinese investments as an endorsement of its auto industry, and analysts credit the U.S. company with helping to jumpstart China’s EV sector. Yet officials at times have shown distrust of the foreign carmaker. Concerns over data traveling overseas led to officials blocking Teslas from some government and military compounds.

But recently, Tesla has notched several policy wins in China. In April, China’s auto industry association stated that two China-made Tesla models complied with the country’s data security requirements. That decision could pave the way for Tesla to launch its assisted-driving technology in China.

Deliveries of Tesla’s China-made cars fell 24.2% year-on-year in June, totalling 71,007 cars, according to data from the China Passenger Car Association. The association’s data does not distinguish between cars made for the domestic market and those bound overseas, but Bloomberg notes that Tesla typically focuses on the local market in the last month of each quarter.

Tesla will report its second-quarter earnings on July 23.

Tesla's largest factory in the world is in Shanghai. It's normal behavior for local governments in Jiangsu province to show some goodwill like Tesla.

If Tesla can get favorable treatment from local governments in Hunan province, Shaanxi province, etc., that would be news worth reporting.
 

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Forrest Gump, one of my favorites movie.

China today is very different compared with Mao era.

That's why China should not import foreign ideology, because it's garbage.

China can learn from it, but never copy paste it.
 

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From what I know, foreign brands are everywhere in China.
According to PDF members they are all dead in China

I'm quite sure this government 180 degree view change on the Tesla Model Y has to do with
1) Attempting to soften tariffs thrown up at Chinese car imports across multiple continents
2) Tesla full self driving coming soon to China and Teslas are BEVs not PHEVs and Xpeng CEO gave it a thumbs up (win-win-win)
3) The Tesla Model Y was the top selling car model in China in 2023 and it is leading worldwide BEV sales by a mile in 2024

World-Top-20-YTD-EV-Models-January-May-2024.png


With the latest release of FSD that is hands free people could theoretically create Johnny Cabs out of their car by putting a mannequin in the front.

 
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According to PDF members they are all dead in China

I'm quite sure this government 180 degree view change on the Tesla Model Y has to do with
1) Attempting to soften tariffs thrown up at Chinese car imports across multiple continents
2) Tesla full self driving coming soon to China and Teslas are BEVs not PHEVs and Xpeng CEO gave it a thumbs up (win-win-win)
3) The Tesla Model Y was the top selling car model in China in 2023 and it is leading worldwide BEV sales by a mile in 2024

World-Top-20-YTD-EV-Models-January-May-2024.png


With the latest release of FSD that is hands free people could theoretically create Johnny Cabs out of their car by putting a mannequin in the front.


Tesla really is a great EV company. But didn't you notice that all but Tesla and VW in that list are Chinese brands?
 

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Tesla really is a great EV company. But didn't you notice that all but Tesla and VW in that list are Chinese brands?

And? Most are sold in China, and I guarantee you the vast majority of the world has never heard of those brands. Many don’t even know about BYD. Everyone in the world knows about the Tesla brand.
 

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Tesla really is a great EV company. But didn't you notice that all but Tesla and VW in that list are Chinese brands?

The thing I noticed most about BYD from that graph is they sell a lot of PHEVs.
In fact their model (BYD Song) with the most sales is mostly PHEV...and that PHEV version sells even more than any of their dedicated BEV models.
 
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Tesla is largely a Chinese company, over half of all Tesla cars are made in China, using Chinese suppliers.
Don't kid yourself. Tesla ultimately is an American company receiving US government subsidies and governance. If US really pushes it like in Russia, Tesla will have to abandon the Chinese factories and market because ultimately it's an American company.

What these provincial governments' directives to select Tesla are idiotic and like bending down when China and the US are going head-to-head in trades, technologies, politics, military, and geopolitical influences in the third world, Europe, etc. That really came at a surprises to analysts worldwide and makes no sense at this time.
 
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Don't kid yourself.

LOL! It's called "rationalizing".

Rationalization is a defense mechanism in which people justify difficult or unacceptable feelings with seemingly logical reasons and explanations.
For example, a student who is rejected from her dream college may explain that she’s happy to be attending a school that’s less competitive and more welcoming.
 

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Tesla's largest factory in the world is in Shanghai. It's normal behavior for local governments in Jiangsu province to show some goodwill like Tesla.

If Tesla can get favorable treatment from local governments in Hunan province, Shaanxi province, etc., that would be news worth reporting.
I just heard some Mainland Chinese arguing Tesla and Apple are multi-national corporations and would have to comply with local laws. This is as naive and deceiving as the argument for the Mainland Chinese scientists' claim of 'Science has no borders'. The corporation board of directors, majority share owners, and primary executives are Americans and they'd be jailed and prosecutied for treason if they refused to comply with US government's orders. Since Trump's tech war began during his term, many Chinese American scientists had to abandon their R&D posts with Chinese corporations because they, too, have their own national allegiance. Unfortunately that's the USA.

That Beijing gave the green lights to provincial governments to use Tesla shows Beijing is filled with too many Chinse-Americans either too naive or whose loyalties don't lie with China. Sick!!
 

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I just heard some Mainland Chinese arguing Tesla and Apple are multi-national corporations and would have to comply with local laws. This is as naive and deceiving as the argument for the Mainland Chinese scientists' claim of 'Science has no borders'. The corporation board of directors, majority share owners, and primary executives are Americans and they'd be jailed and prosecutied for treason if they refused to comply with US government's orders. Since Trump's tech war began during his term, many Chinese American scientists had to abandon their R&D posts with Chinese corporations because they, too, have their own national allegiance. Unfortunately that's the USA.

That Beijing gave the green lights to provincial governments to use Tesla shows Beijing is filled with too many Chinse-Americans either too naive or whose loyalties don't lie with China. Sick!!

If BYD wanted to build one of the world's largest BYD car manufacturing plants in Sacramento, it would give the local government 25,000 jobs and $323 million in annual tax revenue.

BYD's conditions simply require the state of California to allow government agencies in California to purchase BYD vehicles. Do you think the California state government will agree?
 

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