China hits back at Canada with fresh agriculture tariffs

Why Trump Will Lose His Trade War

His people don’t know what they’re doing or what they want​

Paul Krugman
Apr 16, 2025


Scenes from the trade war:
  • In response to Donald Trump’s huge tariffs on Chinese exports, China’s government has suspended exports of rare earth minerals and magnets, both critical to many modern industries and the military
  • Trade talks between the United States and the European Union appear to have gone nowhere, with Maros Sefcovic, the EU’s top trade official, reportedly having “struggled to determine America’s aims.”
In other words, the Chinese, unlike the Trump administration, understand what trade and trade wars are about. And the Trumpers, in addition to not knowing what they’re doing, don’t even know what they want.

Here’s what Trump and his sycophants don’t understand about international trade: It’s not about what you can sell, it’s about what you can buy.

Think for a minute about the finances of individuals. Why do people work? Not to be able to boast that they ran trade surpluses with their employers — “Hey, they paid me a lot, and I hardly bought anything from them.” No, people sell their labor so that they can afford to buy stuff.

The same is true for countries. Importing what you want — being able to get stuff from other countries — is the purpose of international trade. Exporting — sending stuff to other countries — is something we do so we can pay for imports.

OK, in practice there’s a bit more to the story, as I’ll explain below, but the complications don’t change the fundamental proposition that the benefits from international trade basically come from being able to import goods that would be expensive or impossible to produce at home. Think hydroelectric power from Canada.

This fundamental reality explains why serious analyses of Trump’s trade war with China often conclude that China, not America, has the upper hand.

Yesterday the Financial Times had a mostly good writeup of the stakes, which pointed out that US exports to China are “heavily focused on agriculture.” The FT said that these goods are “low value-added,” which I’m not sure is true — U.S. farming is highly productive and highly capital-intensive. But what matters in a trade war is the fact that China can fairly easily find other agricultural suppliers, buying soybeans from Brazil instead of Iowa.

By contrast, the United States will have a hard time replacing many of the goods it imports from China. Furthermore, many of the goods we buy from China are industrial inputs rather than consumer goods.

So Trump has started a trade war that will disrupt our own supply chains. Remember Covid and its immediate aftermath? Remember how shortages spread through the economy and fueled inflation? Those days are about to come back, inflicting especially large damage on the manufacturing sector Trump claims he will revive.

Is the U.S. economy at China’s mercy? No. America remains a highly productive nation that could cope with even severe economic shocks if it had smart, clear-headed leadership. But we don’t.

True, today’s Wall Street Journal has an article with the headline “U.S. Plans to Use Trade Negotiations to Isolate China.” So you might think that there’s an actual strategy out there. But I don’t believe it, for four reasons.

First, this story was clearly leaked by Scott Bessent, the Treasury secretary, or people close to him. In a normal administration this kind of supposedly inside scoop would offer valuable insights into the policy process. But one thing that’s clear about Trump tariffs is that there is no policy process. Individual officials — Bessent, Peter Navarro, Howard Lutnick — keep floating policy ideas in public, hoping that putting them out there will somehow create facts. But a day or two later another official will go on TV, or Trump will post something on Truth Social, completely contradicting what the last official said.

So what we’re hearing about Bessent isn’t really a scoop about Trump policy, it’s almost surely an attempt by Bessent to influence policy. And there’s no reason to believe that he’s actually in charge.

Second, even if U.S. negotiators are trying to cut deals with other countries that would isolate China, they will be unlikely to succeed because Trump has lost all credibility. After all, you can’t make deals with other countries unless foreign governments believe that you will honor the agreements you make. Trump has already destroyed U.S. credibility on that front, ripping up all our existing trade agreements, then making wild changes in his own tariffs every few days.

Third, even if Trump’s promises were credible, why would a European government want to join America’s trade war with China, destroying its own supply chains? If the argument is that it’s worth paying the cost of ruined supply chains because that will protect you from Trump’s tariffs, who trusts Trump not to reimpose punitive tariffs on our supposed allies the next time he thinks they’re looking at him funny?

Fourth, the Trump administration is bringing a knife to a gun fight.

To the extent that there’s a real plan to confront China, it appears to center on reducing China’s ability to sell abroad. It’s true that this will be painful for China’s export sector. As I said, my flat statement that trade is about imports, not exports, needs some qualification because the short-term interests of exporters can’t be ignored. But China can cope with lost exports by aiding affected industries, the same way Trump funneled money to farmers hurt by his first trade war. It can also offset any loss of export jobs by stimulating domestic demand. Moreover, Xi and the Chinese Communist Party don’t face elections.

So while China can manage the loss of exports in various ways, it will be much harder for America to cope with the loss of crucial inputs produced in China.

The overall point is that even relatively sophisticated Trumpers like Bessent are still thinking in terms of Chinese access to the markets of the United States and our imagined trade war allies, when the real issue now is whether China can strangle the U.S. economy by disrupting our supply chains.

PS: I know that I’m mixing metaphors here — China has brought a gun that is strangling us by cutting our supply chains. But you get my point.

Furthermore, America’s ability to fight a trade war is severely damaged by our descent into authoritarian rule. A few months ago other advanced countries might have been inclined to take our side because of shared democratic values. Now we’ve become a country whose government claims the right to kidnap people whenever it likes and ship them to foreign gulags. Who wants to be allied with such a government? Who will trust such a government to keep its word on anything ?


Of course, the fact that the collapse of democracy will contribute to our defeat in the trade war isn’t the main reason to be horrified at where we are. Losing real GDP is bad, but it’s much less important than losing our soul. As it happens, however, we seem to be on track to do both.


Paul Krugman. :rofl:

Now we know Trump will not just win the trade war but annihilate them.

You should have done research how many times Paul's predictions have come true.
 
It's not my opinion, it's China's stated national policy regarding US if you are ever familiar with Chinese foreign ministry position lately.
Ok Xi jinping certainly can keep the hard stick. this time around China is. better prepared. Trump is totally misguided. China’s largest trade partner is ASEAN, not US, not Europe nor elsewhere.
Using import tariffs to blackmail is ridiculous.
my concern is Trump’s mental stability.
he is a wrecking ball.
 
Don't forget Zionism, another nightmare whities given to the world and its peace.
Have trouble naming the Jew, don't you?

Zionism is Jewish through and through and us Whites are it's victims as much as anyone else.
 

Nvidia CEO in Beijing as US tech curbs, trade war threaten sales

Meetings with Chinese vice-premier and DeepSeek founder come after US clamps down on chipmaker’s sales to China

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Jensen Huang, centre, in Beijing on Thursday, where he met tech leaders and government officials © Yuyuan Tantian/Weibo

Published Updated 17:17

Nvidia chief executive Jensen Huang visited Beijing on Thursday after new curbs from Washington on the US chipmaker’s China sales sent its shares tumbling.

According to two people familiar with his travel schedule, Huang met Nvidia clients, including the founder of generative artificial intelligence start-up DeepSeek, to discuss new chip designs for Chinese customers.

He then held separate talks with Chinese vice-premier He Lifeng, according to one person familiar with the meeting.

Huang said China was “a very important market for Nvidia” and expressed hope that his company could “continue co-operating” with the country, according to state broadcaster CCTV.

On Tuesday, Nvidia said it expected a $5.5bn hit to earnings from new US export restrictions on its H20 chip, a lower-powered model that had already been designed to comply with Joe Biden-era controls limiting exports to China.

Huang’s talks indicate that Nvidia is not willing to give up on the Chinese market and is considering designing yet another chip designed for the market even though its previous efforts have been banned by Washington.

Plans for the Nvidia chief’s visit to Beijing were finalised after US President Donald Trump’s unexpected move to ban the H20 chip.

The group reported $17bn in sales from China last year, but faced growing threats to its business from Beijing even before Trump interceded.

In previous trips to China, Huang has shied away from publicised meetings with high-level officials.

According to a person familiar with the matter, Huang’s latest visit to China came shortly after the State Council agreed to a meeting request from Nvidia earlier this week.

Huang met DeepSeek founder Liang Wenfeng in Beijing, two people familiar with the trip said, to discuss how to design next-generation chips for China that would meet client needs and the regulatory requirements of both the US and China.

DeepSeek, an Nvidia customer, in January rattled US tech stocks when it unveiled a competitive AI model that achieved a similar performance to US rivals but appeared to be trained at a fraction of the cost.

Nvidia’s effort to maintain its sales in China comes as the country has been forced to prepare to decouple from the US amid Trump’s escalating trade war.

The White House has applied additional tariffs of 145 per cent on imports from China, a level that Beijing has matched in retaliation.

China has pushed to build up its domestic semiconductor industry and directed domestic tech companies to buy Huawei’s AI chip. The Chinese tech champion is working to address difficulties in using its Ascend AI chip for model training, which has left domestic companies reliant on Nvidia.

Huang has called Huawei “China’s ‘single most formidable tech company’”.

Nvidia has faced regulatory scrutiny in both Washington and Beijing. China’s antitrust regulator in December announced it was probing the company and reviewing if it had violated commitments made to Beijing when seeking approval for the purchase of an Israeli networking company.

The trip comes as US lawmakers are demanding information from Nvidia on whether DeepSeek was able to obtain export-controlled chips.

Nvidia declined to comment on Huang’s trip.
 

Trump Confronts Economic And Geopolitical Reality​



To balance the trade deficit, there is what economists call the “current account.” If dollars flow overseas for us to purchase foreign imports in excess of foreign nations spending dollars to purchase our exports, the surplus dollars are repatriated in the form of foreigners bidding up the prices for assets they purchase in America. A slight oversimplification would be that trade deficits equate to cheap flat screens and unaffordable homes. But there is another reason America has huge trade deficits. It floods the world with dollar-denominated transactions, and by permitting foreigners to buy American assets, we effectively collateralize our currency. And so long as America is for sale in this manner, that helps sustain the dollar as a hard currency.
 
Have trouble naming the Jew, don't you?

Zionism is Jewish through and through and us Whites are it's victims as much as anyone else.

Maybe, But Throughout History, Christians are most successful in destroying Jews again and again and keep them at their place.



.............. Or Am I wrong? :unsure:
 

At United Nations, China to blast US for bullying, trade war

By Michelle Nichols
April 16, 202510:12 AM PDT Updated 19 hours ago



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People attend a Security Council meeting at the United Nations headquarters in New York City, U.S., March 18, 2025. REUTERS/Adam Gray/File Photo Purchase Licensing Rights, opens new tab

UNITED NATIONS, April 16 (Reuters) - China will next week convene an informal United Nations Security Council meeting to accuse the United States of bullying and "casting a shadow over the global efforts for peace and development" by weaponizing tariffs.
The move comes as Beijing pursues a hardline stance in an escalating trade war with Washington triggered by U.S. President Donald Trump's steep tariffs on items imported from China.

"All countries, particularly developing nations, are victims of unilateralism and bullying practices," read the concept note for the informal U.N. meeting on "the impact of unilateralism and bullying practices on international relations."

The note, inviting all 193 U.N. member states to attend the April 23 meeting, specifically criticizes the United States for imposing tariffs.

"By weaponizing tariffs as a tool of extreme pressure, the U.S. has gravely violated international trade rules, and triggered severe shocks and turbulence in the world economy and multilateral trading system, casting a shadow over the global efforts for peace and development," read the concept note.

The U.S. mission to the United Nations referred a request for comment on China's planned meeting to the State Department, which did not immediately respond.

The U.N. Trade and Development agency said on Wednesday that global economic growth could slow to 2.3% as trade tensions and uncertainty drive a recessionary trend.


 
Have trouble naming the Jew, don't you?

Zionism is Jewish through and through and us Whites are it's victims as much as anyone else.
No, Jew the real ones are way different than Zionism, Judaism is a religion, Zionism is a ultra-nationalist movement, Yes there are many aspects of Judaism and Zionism that overlaps but we as Muslims consider Judaism as part of the same message that start from Adam AS, Jews & Muslims are very similar minus the whole racists, chosen people BS that was mostly added by Rabbis in later centuries which become part of Torah today. If Israel was really a Jewish country, and follow the Ten commandments they won't be such a degenerate nation today.
 
Maybe, But Throughout History, Christians are most successful in destroying Jews again and again and keep them at their place.



.............. Or Am I wrong? :unsure:
Its because Christians were earliest victims of Jewish Treachery, how Jews have lend money to Christians with high interest rates and when failed to pay back, taking over their homes/land and even kingdoms, hence the first target of Zionism or Jewish supremacists was to destroy the Christianity, specifically in west. Muslims are easily and dumb and stupid, Jews defeating Muslims with less than 25% of the effort they put in for Christians and its embarrassing for Muslims, specially the Arabs.
 
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Bessent's Grand Strategy: Use Tariff Negotiations To Isolate China From The Rest Of The World​


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As the WSJ reports, the Trump admin plans to use ongoing tariff negotiations to pressure U.S. trading partners to limit their dealings with China, according to people with knowledge of the conversations.

The idea, as we laid out in not so many words, is to extract commitments from U.S. trading partners to isolate China’s economy in exchange for reductions in trade and tariff barriers imposed by the White House. US officials plan to use negotiations with more than 70 nations to ask them to disallow China to ship goods through their countries (the so-called "transshipment" loophole), prevent Chinese firms from locating in their territories to avoid U.S. tariffs, and not absorb China’s cheap industrial goods into their economies.

Those measures are meant to put a final stake in China’s already sinking economy (which somewhat ironically got a boost in the first quarter as its export partners front-loaded purchased goods ahead of the tariff price surge which is already in place and which will put a deep freeze on China's manufacturing empire) and force Beijing to the negotiating table with less leverage ahead of potential talks between Trump and President Xi Jinping. The exact demands could vary widely by nation, given their degree of involvement with the Chinese economy.



USA is cutting China from getting USD.

As well as other countries who disobey USA.

Basically, USA wants to make China to be the next Iran, Russia, and North Korea.


USA has been creating traps for China, to make China makes a fatal mistake.

Provoking China over Taiwan and South China Sea issues, just like Russia was trapped over Ukraine.

Since USA failed on China, now USA is using tariffs to force other countries to isolate China.
 

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Once TSMC factory construction in USA is finished, USA will start to provoke Taiwan issue, to trap China.

In hope China will make the first move to invade Taiwan.

Then using this excuse, to sanction China economy and force other countries to do the same thing.

Just like Russia in Ukraine.
 
The world is not the same today as before.

Sanction on Russia has not been as effective as expected. Many countries especially the developing countries do not want to sanction Russia.

The US now can somewhat still threaten countries that do not obey the sanction by threatening to block them from using dollar system.

Traditionally, countries use dollar because they run a trade surplus with US, therefore accumulated a lot of US dollar. They would want to use those dollar to buy anything from anywhere using the dollar system. But with the tariff decreasing the trade surplus with US, that need is not longer that high.

If the US overplay its hand by forcing enough countries to get blocked from dollar system, that could stop the dollar as the world reserve currency.
 
The world is not the same today as before.

Sanction on Russia has not been as effective as expected. Many countries especially the developing countries do not want to sanction Russia.

The US now can somewhat still threaten countries that do not obey the sanction by threatening to block them from using dollar system.

Traditionally, countries use dollar because they run a trade surplus with US, therefore accumulated a lot of US dollar. They would want to use those dollar to buy anything from anywhere using the dollar system. But with the tariff decreasing the trade surplus with US, that need is not longer that high.

If the US overplay its hand by forcing enough countries to get blocked from dollar system, that could stop the dollar as the world reserve currency.

Other countries can't.

Because USA is going to put an additional tariff of 100% to countries who use other currency beside of USD.
 
You're reading too much into it... this is sort of a comeuppance. Henceforth just playing catch up, no grand scheme. Orange had been yapping tariffs since who knows when and now when he flipped the switch all got yippy!!!

US has to run deficits, needs them funded and he gave an almighty shock to those who buy treasuries.
He's been looking to come out of that hole ever since... who knows gave Iran a reprieve as well.
I wish this was true but it is not. Here is the US policy paper on this. Trump is simply implementing what the deep state wanted him to do just like his predecessors Biden, Obama, Bush and so forth. Same policy, different Presidents. Every single step he has taken is in this policy paper.
 

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