China’s naval supremacy: A new reality for the U.S.

[FuturePAF]

The harpoon is more surviving anti-ship Missiles then your supersonic YJ-12 which have a big RCS and IR signature due to speed and ab class destroyers not come alone they come in groups/battle groups and they have also RAM (rolling airframe Missiles) and evolved sea sparrow short range SAMs specifically designed to intercept supersonic ASCMs

And also USN will not come alone USAF will also there for USN help, B-1 from Guam and maybe from Diego Garcia equipped with LARSM with a better survivability than your supersonic YJ-12 with range of 1000 km (out of range of any PLAN long-range SAMs) will take care of your ships in SCS and in Pacific ocean

And last USN not considered ALL SUPERSONIC ANTI-SHIP MISSILES as major threat but USN consider hybrid anti-ship cruise missiles as a major threat like Russian sizzler and your YJ-18 (subsonic in cruise phase +supersonic dash in terminal phase)

They have both qualities of subsonic ( stealth) and (supersonic ((less reaction time)

Considering how capable the LRASM is turning out to be, the Chinese will inevitably field something similar soon enough as well. They already field an equivalent to the JASSM.

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[Beijingwalker]

Even the USN is “moving back” from the Zumwalt for its next gen destroyer, a less ambitious design, and actually looks more akin to the PLAN’s Type 055.

The rail gun and tilt rotor tech may not be perfected, but 10 years is a long time in naval tech development, with the level of investment China is making, they will break through relatively quickly.

When the tech is known, catching up is a matter of R&D and espionage.

I suspect more replenishment at sea with support ships utilizing Chinese commercial ports for the next 5-10 years, politics and economics will dictate what happens beyond that. China has learned a lot participating in the counter piracy patrols of the last decade.

Keep this in mind and think where 10 years will take us to

 

[j_hungary]

Even the USN is “moving back” from the Zumwalt for its next gen destroyer, a less ambitious design, and actually looks more akin to the PLAN’s Type 055.

The rail gun and tilt rotor tech may not be perfected, but 10 years is a long time in naval tech development, with the level of investment China is making, they will break through relatively quickly.

When the tech is known, catching up is a matter of R&D and espionage.

I suspect more replenishment at sea with support ships utilizing Chinese commercial ports for the next 5-10 years, politics and economics will dictate what happens beyond that. China has learned a lot participating in the counter piracy patrols of the last decade.

Well, there are a lot of stuff Zumwalt have that had applied to AB Class Flight 3 Destroyer. To say they are equal to Type 055 is probably a bit of a stretch........

About tilt rotor, considering this, MV-22 have a 35 year development cycle after first flight (in 1989) and it still iffy for it today, you are talking about China can match the R&D effort of that in 10 years........Again, a bit much to ask....

And if you want to forward deploy in a foreign base, you can't have it use commercial way, it has to be able to station troop and yard in that area. Otherwise if you are just going to provide logistic support, any port can do that in a good day. You need to be abe to dry dock in those forward base to be able to host fleet. Otherwise it's just a pointless affair....

 

[FuturePAF]

Well, there are a lot of stuff Zumwalt have that had applied to AB Class Flight 3 Destroyer. To say they are equal to Type 055 is probably a bit of a stretch........

About tilt rotor, considering this, MV-22 have a 35 year development cycle after first flight (in 1989) and it still iffy for it today, you are talking about China can match the R&D effort of that in 10 years........Again, a bit much to ask....

And if you want to forward deploy in a foreign base, you can't have it use commercial way, it has to be able to station troop and yard in that area. Otherwise if you are just going to provide logistic support, any port can do that in a good day. You need to be abe to dry dock in those forward base to be able to host fleet. Otherwise it's just a pointless affair....

The design for the next Gen USN destroyer mirrors the Type 055, but instead the USN destroyer has a lot of advanced tech under its skin, in terms of propulsion (IEP), EW, comms, and weapons. All areas China can catch up in the next 10 years. Propulsion especially on the back of their commercial developments.

On tilt rotor craft, the Chinese are trying to work with the Italians (AW 609). Considering their past cooperation with European helicopter manufacturers, it’s likely that tech will be absorbed into the Chinese eco-system by the mid-2030s. Leonardo started work with bell on what became the AW-609 in 1998, 26 years ago. By the mid 2030s you will have the full 35 year development cycle complete. Besides the AW-609 has been going through its certifications for years now:

The basing will be the hardest thing for China, but once again, replenishing at sea and a large fleet size will when to compensate for the foreseeable future.

 

[FuturePAF]

Keep this in mind and think where 10 years will take us to

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No one doubts China’s shipbuilding prowess, but catching up on things like LRASM, the 555 missile (Chinese equivalent of the ESSM), Aquila (Aster Block 2) missile, and Tilt rotor UAV awacs will be crucial technologies to keep apace with threats like the LRASM and Brahmos and threats like manueveravle hypersonic missiles in the near future.

India plans a fleet of 16 SSNs, so even limited basing in other countries will require supporting these countries to build up ships/subs and Infrastructure both nations will share, like AUKUS and US subs in Australia. Equally, Pakistan would have to have a fleet of at least 6 SSN/SSGNs to counter India (at least 2 on patrol at any given time) and have large enough facilities to host PLAN SSNs when they come off patrols in the Indian Ocean.

 

[Beijingwalker]

No one doubts China’s shipbuilding prowess, but catching up on things like LRASM, the 555 missile (Chinese equivalent of the ESSM), Aquila (Aster Block 2) missile, and Tilt rotor UAV awacs will be crucial technologies to keep apace with threats like the LRASM and Brahmos and threats like manueveravle hypersonic missiles in the near future.

India plans a fleet of 16 SSNs, so even limited basing in other countries will require supporting these countries to build up ships/subs and Infrastructure both nations will share, like AUKUS and US subs in Australia. Equally, Pakistan would have to have a fleet of at least 6 SSN/SSGNs to counter India (at least 2 on patrol at any given time) and have large enough facilities to host PLAN SSNs when they come off patrols in the Indian Ocean.

All ships are increasingly sinkable due to the rapid new anti ship tech advance in recent years, what weaknesses you stated about China, are more for for decades old legacy ships predominant US fleets.

 

[SolarWarden]

Ugh! Not another stupid chyna fanboy inferiority complex thread.

And it's always chyna fanboys starting threads about celestial military "catching up" or "soon surpassing" believing somehow they are anywhere in the same league as US.

Listen up celestial fanboys you are never catching up therefor are nowhere near the same league as USN/US military when it comes to advanced weapons.

USN fights/intercepts UFOs while chino navy fights Peeleepino fishermen.

 

[Beijingwalker]

USN fights/intercepts UFOs while chino navy fights Peeleepino fishermen.

LOL, You keep busy yourself fighting UFO's, what a moron, by the way, are Houthi pirates your so called UFOs?

 

[FHN]

Ugh! Not another stupid chyna fanboy inferiority complex thread.

And it's always chyna fanboys starting threads about celestial military "catching up" or "soon surpassing" believing somehow they are anywhere in the same league as US.

Listen up celestial fanboys you are never catching up therefor are nowhere near the same league as USN/US military when it comes to advanced weapons.

USN fights/intercepts UFOs while chino navy fights Peeleepino fishermen.

U guys couldn't even handle Chinese weather balloon and let it roam free all over the mainland and still have the time to make up BS story about catching UFO haha

 

[FHN]

Ugh! Not another stupid chyna fanboy inferiority complex thread.

And it's always chyna fanboys starting threads about celestial military "catching up" or "soon surpassing" believing somehow they are anywhere in the same league as US.

Listen up celestial fanboys you are never catching up therefor are nowhere near the same league as USN/US military when it comes to advanced weapons.

USN fights/intercepts UFOs while chino navy fights Peeleepino fishermen.

Your 8 mq-9 got wiped out by the houthis with barely any air defense . So much so for the strongest navy in the world I'm sure the houthis would like a word with you Iittle boy and btw wheres your defense pact with the Philippines scared to face off with the PLAN???

 

[FHN]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1835361033923473887

Your favorite comedian Gordon Chang admitted the Philippines finally giving up on contesting the shoal cause Daddy is too scared to face off with Chinese coast guard. Btw South china sea is Chinese lake.

 

[FHN]

A navy with half of its fleet from the 80s yea the PLAN is scared to fight lol we only started building our Navy in the past 10 years give it another decade then we will see little fan boy

 

[muhammed45]

Ugh! Not another stupid chyna fanboy inferiority complex thread.

And it's always chyna fanboys starting threads about celestial military "catching up" or "soon surpassing" believing somehow they are anywhere in the same league as US.

Listen up celestial fanboys you are never catching up therefor are nowhere near the same league as USN/US military when it comes to advanced weapons.

USN fights/intercepts UFOs while chino navy fights Peeleepino fishermen.

Then why do the USN sissies need the help of French navy in the red sea? USN cannot take on weakened Yemen.

Look who calls others celestial fanboys.

 

[FuturePAF]

All ships are increasingly sinkable due to the rapid new anti ship tech advance in recent years, what weaknesses you stated about China, are more for for decades old legacy ships predominant US fleets.

The US fleet has the ESSM, SM-3 and SM-6, and it has experienced crews that have fired weapons in conflict.

No modern nation has faced waves of anti-ship cruise missiles, but the US is the closest to that kind of experience. It has also fired 2500 tomahawks in the past few decades. The USN is the most experienced in offensive and defensive operations.

 

[nahtanbob]

Naval supremacy is meaningless without naval aviation and naval bases around the world. China has little in the way of friends. Until they fix that they have zero chance of challenging US Navy on the high seas.