Chinese 6th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

LOL......I don't know how people can just look at a picture and said "This is a 6th gen aircraft"

The major different between 5th and 6th gen aircraft is in its material science, I believe the term being use is called "Adaptive Airframe" which basically mean the airframe change its properties during flight to better enhance its stealth. That is something you are not going to be able to tell just by one picture. A lot of these quality of a 6th gen aircraft is not going to just be able to tell by a picture, and if this is a 6th gen, and they can tell it with just 1 picture, then they won't fly it board daylight so everyone can see......

This looks like a stealth regional bomber or something the Boeing proposed as a fatso version of x-32 Naval Bomber after they lost the JSF competition.
 
j_hungary said:
LOL......I don't know how people can just look at a picture and said "This is a 6th gen aircraft"

The major different between 5th and 6th gen aircraft is in its material science, I believe the term being use is called "Adaptive Airframe" which basically mean the airframe change its properties during flight to better enhance its stealth. That is something you are not going to be able to tell just by one picture. A lot of these quality of a 6th gen aircraft is not going to just be able to tell by a picture, and if this is a 6th gen, and they can tell it with just 1 picture, then they won't fly it board daylight so everyone can see......

This looks like a stealth regional bomber or something the Boeing proposed as a fatso version of x-32 Naval Bomber after they lost the JSF competition.
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It’s an early demonstrator. But nevertheless it is their next gen tactical fighter platform. Not likely a regional supersonic bomber as speculated before.
 
Michael said:
I found more information about the interview. However, they are in Chinese, and their meaning changed when they were translated into English. So, to prevent misunderstanding, I will not repost them in their original form. Those who are interested can go to the Chinese platform to check on their own, and these are all public information.

In all his interviews, he did not use the description “6th Gen fighter”. Instead, he used the terms “new fighter” and “future development after the J-20”.

Combine this with my previous point. So far, neither the US nor China has given any accurate description of the standard definition of the “6th Gen fighter”.
I.e., what is a “6th Gen Fighter”? How does it differ from the 5th Gen fighter?
This is the core of the new arms race between China and the United States. The standard definition of the “6th Gen fighter” is the moment for both sides to show their cards.

We are now basically clear. China is about to master/has already mastered the technology of manned hypersonic (>Mach 5) flight in near space (altitude of 20~100KM).
I'm not sure if China has included this technology in the “6th Gen Fighter” criteria.
When China officially announces the new SAC and CAC aircraft in the future, will they be described as “5.5th Gen Fighter” or “6th Gen Fighter”? That depends on the U.S. response to their first flights.


As a Sichuanese, I strongly protest against this!:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Unfortunately, my protest is meaningless .........
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Dear I reference you that because you can understand and inform us better. Yes I am also asking the same (if I got the things right), a new generation family of different aircraft optimized for different roles for 6th Gen Aircraft System instead of 1 or 2 jack of all type thing. No specific set of features in one aircraft instead having these features distributed in different jet and everyone excel in it's role. I am talking about seeing things in different perspective. I hope I conveyed what I meant. You and other experts can better understand and analyze this so that's why I asked.
 
The J-36 #36001 (?) prototype/technology demonstrator was photographed over Chengdu during its maiden flight on December 26, 2024. It was first rumored in late 2018 that the 611 Institute had started to develop key technologies for the 6th generation fighter which was expected to enter the service in late 2020s. A satellite image released in October 2021 suggested a full-scale mockup of a technology demonstrator had been built at CAC, showing a tailless diamond wing configuration. As one of the first 6th generation stealth moltirole fighters to have successfully flown, J-36 features a unique "tri-engine" configuration with two Caret engine intakes on both sides of the fuselage and a third dorsal DSI intake behind the cockpit. The engines were speculated to be three WS-15 turbofans, with their exhausts shielded by the trailing edge underneath to reduce the IR signature. However it is unclear whether TVC nozzles have been used or not. There was also a rumor that the engine in the middle could be a TBCC engine but this is unlikely. Nevertheless J-36 is thought to be capable of not only super-cruise, but also flying at a maximum speed beyond Mach 2 with all three engines in full afterburning. The aircraft also features a sharp tailless diamond wing configuration with two LEXes extended all the way to the nose, without any vertical or horizontal stabilizers. This suggests that J-36's aerodynamics has been optimized not only for reducing RCS, but also for high speed flight. Consequently J-36 is believed to utilize an advanced digital flight control system with complicated control surfaces along the trailing edges of the diamond wings, including four pairs of split drag rudders at the wingtips and two large main landing gear doors in order to maintain stability at a low speed during landing. Two EOTS windows can be seen on both sides of the nose. Compared to the chasing J-20S during the maiden flight, J-36 appears to be a large tandem-seat aircraft with ample space inside wings and fuselage for fuel and weapons, as suggested by its twin nose wheels and tandem main wheels. One large and two small internal weapons bays are arranged side-by-side between the main landing gear compartments, which could house a variety of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons including PL-17 VLRAAMs or KF-98A standoff cruise missiles. Consequently it is expected to fly different missions as a long-range interceptor or as a high-speed strike aircraft penetrating deep into the enemy air space. The emergence of J-36 represents China's ambition to gain air dominance over the western Pacific, which is likely to tip the balance in the reginal air powers.
- Last Updated 12/26/24
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Afif said:
It’s an early demonstrator. But nevertheless it is their next gen tactical fighter platform. Not likely a regional supersonic bomber as speculated before.
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I don't know, to me, it looks too big and bulky for an all-round fighter.

But as I said, I wouldn't have any clue just by looking at it, just found it funny people all hobbling around saying this or that (Both singing praise and spelling demise) on such a platform from just a few picture....
 
iblini said:
@UKBengali @Deino
OK, we have the grass root talking about roles of two different sixth gen aircraft.

六代机没有竞标，两者定位完全错开又用途互补。成六是三发“远程作战”，突出高隐身，大航程，高速度，对面大载弹量。沈六是双发“海空孪生”，突出高隐身，高机动，大航程，对空大载弹量。成六机长26米左右，沈六机长21米左右！
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Who is this fellow? Is he credible or is this merely his own opinion?
 
The yankee is here again trying to show his expertise but in fact just being salty, even using the same term like what happened when J20 took it's first flight, "It doesn't qualified as a TRUE 5th gen YET!!!", dude, give a rest.

They are both our 6th gen program with different roles complementing each other, we are going to take decade to mastering the whole package, designated engine are in parallel development.

OK, satisfied?
 
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"China's next-generation early warning and control aircraft, the KJ3000, has completed its maiden flight.
The KJ3000, based on the Y-20B transport aircraft equipped with a WS-20 engine, is a large AWACS in the same class as the KJ2000, unlike medium-sized AWACS such as the KJ-200 and KJ-500."
China is making serious investments in air power.After the KJ-500A, there are also the KJ-700 and KJ-600 aircraft that have emerged in the last two years. There are so many variants of awacs I can't keep count lol
 
FHN said:
"China's next-generation early warning and control aircraft, the KJ3000, has completed its maiden flight.
The KJ3000, based on the Y-20B transport aircraft equipped with a WS-20 engine, is a large AWACS in the same class as the KJ2000, unlike medium-sized AWACS such as the KJ-200 and KJ-500."
China is making serious investments in air power.After the KJ-500A, there are also the KJ-700 and KJ-600 aircraft that have emerged in the last two years. There are so many variants of awacs I can't keep count lol
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Oh. I don't think that's an appropriate description.

From some of the papers and cutting edge technology analyses that have been made public so far, the next generation of AWACS is supposed to be entirely based on conformal antenna technology. I.e., it should not look much different from a normal transport/civilian airliner, or at least the circular antenna on its back should be eliminated. Looking at the current picture of the KJ-3000, it clearly does not meet this point. As for radar performance and in-flight facilities, we can't tell at this point.

So I think it is definitely more technologically advanced and more capable than the KJ-500A, but it shouldn't reach the cross-generation gap yet. Or, we should not define it as the next generation AWACS too early.
 
Deino said:
Wow … you just get up and think it‘s time to catch up the latest news from yesterday and save all the images you missed due to celebrating Christmas with the family and it continues with one news after another: Here the so far best image of CACs new „J-36“ (?) numbered 36011.

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Judging from the J-20 timeline, the number 36011 suggests it may already be the 3rd or 4th prototype, and only one year away from LRIP.
 
No one is talking about the interesting vertical stabilisers at the end of the wings? That looks like a really interesting feature, raise them for slow speed yaw control, lower them flush with the wing for high speed high altitude cruise. It's an innovative feature for a delta platform lacking a vertical stabilisers.
 
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