Chinese Aircraft Carriers - Liaoning, Shandong, Fujian and the future

[Yommie]

Considering China names carriers after coastal provinces and China has 11 coastal provinces if my count is correct (12 if you include Taiwan), what do you expect to be the name of the type 004?

There are also some auto regions like Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Tibet.

 

[FuturePAF]

Yes, nuke subs both ballistic and attack should be PLAN's highest and urgent priority, even higher than aircraft carriers.

It does seem it is the most consequential investment, especially alongside an ocean going ASW destroyer, a higher speed but quieter follow on to the Type 052DL, much like how the Arleigh Burkes were designed to really go after Soviet subs.

 

[Deino]

Maybe a first hint, that the 004 aircraft carrier is in preparations or already under construction at Dalian, but given this is already a deck segment I think it is more likely this is just a test module and not yet the actual aircraft carrier:

 

[Hendarto]

And why do they need to build a test module as if they never built a carrier? Dalian has built two successful carriers, Liaoning and Shandong.
The test module only needed to train newbie builders like Jiangnan did because they had never built carriers before Fujian.

Granted the picture shown is probably not on their main dock, but they have a foreman who built the previous carrier

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The Type 004 AKA the CVN-19.

It displaces around 110,000 - 120,000 tonnes and being powered by the most advanced nuclear reactor in the world which could probably be a MSR.

 

[iblini]

waiting for the day that a J50 landing on our carrier.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

And why do they need to build a test module as if they never built a carrier? Dalian has built two successful carriers, Liaoning and Shandong.
The test module only needed to train newbie builders like Jiangnan did because they had never built carriers before Fujian.

Granted the picture shown is probably not on their main dock, but they have a foreman who built the previous carrier

Because it is the first CATOBAR carrier for Dalian.

Liaoning and Shandong are all STOBAR carriers whose building technique is different from the CATOBAR carrier.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

waiting for the day that a J50 landing on our carrier.

Probably around 5 years from now.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Maybe a first hint, that the 004 aircraft carrier is in preparations or already under construction at Dalian, but given this is already a deck segment I think it is more likely this is just a test module and not yet the actual aircraft carrier:

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China's 300,000 tonnes nuclear cargo ship with the molten salt reactor is the civilian technology derived from the nuclear propulsion of the Type 004.

Maritime / China Unveils Plans For ‘Largest Ever’ Container Ship, Powered By Thorium Reactor

Ultra-large nuclear vessel designed to achieve zero emissions, says Beijing

www.nucnet.org

 

[FuturePAF]

China's 300,000 tonnes nuclear cargo ship with the molten salt reactor is the civilian technology derived from the nuclear propulsion of the Type 004.

Maritime / China Unveils Plans For ‘Largest Ever’ Container Ship, Powered By Thorium Reactor

Ultra-large nuclear vessel designed to achieve zero emissions, says Beijing

www.nucnet.org

How powerful are the reactor(s)? How many MW each? How many reactors is each type 004 expected to have?

Btw, I hope the Type 004 (the lead ship of CVNs meant for missions in far away waters) gets named “The Guangdong”, a southern coastal province, indicating it is meant to protect SLOCs, in the SCS and much further abroad. If launched in 2027, it can be seen as a symbol of the 30th anniversary of the handover of Hong Kong.

 

[Hendarto]

Because it is the first CATOBAR carrier for Dalian.

Liaoning and Shandong are all STOBAR carriers whose building technique is different from the CATOBAR carrier.

I don't buy that all they have to do is provide a groove for the catobar. Certainly, Dalian shipyard can do that nowadays with 3-D ship design software. The company that supplies the catobar will do the rest

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

How powerful are the reactor(s)? How many MW each? How many reactors is each type 004 expected to have?

Btw, I hope the Type 004 gets named “The Guangdong”, a southern province, indicating it is meant to protect SLOCs, in the SCS and much further abroad.

The Type 004 is a thorium based carrier compared to the uranium based carriers like Nimitz/Ford which makes it really unique.

The Type 004 is not a technological follower of the US supercarriers.

It is now classified, but its civilian version can power a 300,000 tonnes giant cargo ship. So it could be mostly similar to A1B's 700 MW thermal power for each reactor albeit with much greater efficiency.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I don't buy that all they have to do is provide a groove for the catobar. Certainly, Dalian shipyard can do that nowadays with 3-D ship design software. The company that supplies the catobar will do the rest

Then this should be a real module, not a mockup.

 

[Deino]

Probably around 5 years from now.

Never ever in 5 years!

Then this should be a real module, not a mockup.

No, it makes no sense at all to build a deck module first, which is laying at this dock for almost a year when not even the ship was laid down or a lower deck module is done! Even more, most analysts expect the new yard at Dalian Dagushan will build the vessel!

It is a test module even if I don't know why, but the old yard makes no sens eat all even more if it is indeed a CVN.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Never ever in 5 years!



No, it makes no sense at all to build a deck module first, which is laying at this dock for almost a year when not even the ship was laid down or a lower deck module is done! Even more, most analysts expect the new yard at Dalian Dagushan will build the vessel!

It is a test module even if I don't know why, but the old yard makes no sens eat all even more if it is indeed a CVN.

The Dagushan shipyard is too small, and it can only build a Fujian sized carrier at max.

The old shipyard of Dalian can also build nuclear supercarrier if it uses the safer thorium based reactor.