Chinese-made aircraft C919 marks two years of commercial operations, exceeds 2 million passengers

[Watandar]

Big Risk: availability of engines

I think that will be the next big project for China, engines for large commercial aircraft. China now makes good engines for their fighter aircraft and some of that ability may translate into turbofans, but I think they are still 10-20 years away from domestic engines for their domestic airliners. It's just a very hard thing to pull off and I think China is still weak in metallurgy.

 

[gambit]

Those links only lead to their respective front page, what examples are you talking about?

Sure, but context matters.

Why are you asking me if Porche is German, you brought it up.

Looks like you do not know how to research despite given clues. The issue is that each country has their own safety standards and if the C919 or Porsche 959 failed to meet those US standards, they do not get to enter, even if they met their respective country's safety standards.

The bottom line is still the same, that there is nothing preventing any country from buying the C919 and fly it in their own airspace. Just do not complain if the US does not allow because of our safety standards.

 

[corven]

I think that will be the next big project for China, engines for large commercial aircraft. China now makes good engines for their fighter aircraft and some of that ability may translate into turbofans, but I think they are still 10-20 years away from domestic engines for their domestic airliners. It's just a very hard thing to pull off and I think China is still weak in metallurgy.

运20新平台立功：国产大涡扇成功上天，C919换发这一天，不远了

baijiahao.baidu.com

The CJ1000 will be finalized this year and obtain the airworthiness certificate from the Civil Aviation Administration of China, and mass production will begin in 2028. The United States overestimates the impact of their sanctions.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1gk4y1Y7eG/

 

[That_Guy]

Looks like you do not know how to research despite given clues. The issue is that each country has their own safety standards and if the C919 or Porsche 959 failed to meet those US standards, they do not get to enter, even if they met their respective country's safety standards.

you gave me links that lead nowhere and said that was proof.

I'm sorry, do you not know what burden of proof means?

The bottom line is still the same, that there is nothing preventing any country from buying the C919 and fly it in their own airspace. Just do not complain if the US does not allow because of our safety standards.

Never said otherwise.

But the US blocking it domestically does affect international purchases, simply because they USA is the largest economy in the world. All roads lead to Rome, or in this case Washington.

 

[gambit]

But the US blocking it domestically does affect international purchases, simply because they USA is the largest economy in the world. All roads lead to Rome, or in this case Washington.

Not our problem. You want to fly US domestic airspace? You comply with our safety standards. Simple as that.

 

[That_Guy]

Not our problem. You want to fly US domestic airspace? You comply with our safety standards. Simple as that.

Lmao.

I knew this would be your response.

And if that's the case, why bother arguing with me?

Besides, it's pretty obvious that at this point even if the Chinese complied to every single safety standards the US sets, they'd still be denied certification.

[Edit] fixed grammatical mistakes.

 

[gambit]

Lmao.

I knew this would be your response.

And if that's the case, why bother arguing with me?

Besides, even it's pretty obvious that at this point even if the Vhinese complied to every single safety standards the US sets, they'd still be denied certification.

I do not debate you to change your, or anyone's, mind. I have repeatedly stated that since '09 when I was invited here.

Essentially, whoever engaged me is irrelevant. What counts are the unknown number of silent readers out there who want to see diverse viewpoints, especially when much of the opinions are illogical, ignorant, emotional, and childish.

Saying that the US somehow 'prevent' other countries from buying Chinese airliners is illogical, ignorant, emotional, and childish. The US cannot force France to buy US fighter airplanes, right? Germany and the UK collaborated to create their own fighters, right? Same with airliners. If China want the C919 to fly in ANY country's domestic airspace, the C919 will have to certify INDIVIDUALLY, right? If any country want to grant the C919 an exemption, that is their prerogative to do so, right? If the US want to accept other countries' safety standards, that is also our prerogative to do so, right? So what is your problem?

 

[BonitoBoy]

There are some rumours circulating over Internet suggest that Newly Launched Pakistani Carrier 'Fly Jinnah' might consider the COMAC C919 for its domestic routes in the near future.

 

[That_Guy]

I do not debate you to change your, or anyone's, mind. I have repeatedly stated that since '09 when I was invited here.

Essentially, whoever engaged me is irrelevant. What counts are the unknown number of silent readers out there who want to see diverse viewpoints, especially when much of the opinions are illogical, ignorant, emotional, and childish.

Saying that the US somehow 'prevent' other countries from buying Chinese airliners is illogical, ignorant, emotional, and childish. The US cannot force France to buy US fighter airplanes, right? Germany and the UK collaborated to create their own fighters, right? Same with airliners. If China want the C919 to fly in ANY country's domestic airspace, the C919 will have to certify INDIVIDUALLY, right? If any country want to grant the C919 an exemption, that is their prerogative to do so, right? If the US want to accept other countries' safety standards, that is also our prerogative to do so, right? So what is your problem?

Your entire argument ignores geopolitical realities.

You call my argument emotional, but what I've said is purely what reality has shone.

What YOU are arguing is that geopolitics doesn't exist, and that the US has no sway over other nation's decisions, when it clearly does.

It is a super power, and the biggest military and economy in the world.

It is foolish to suggest otherwise.

By the way, this is what makes unilateral US sanctions so powerful.

Finally, I argue foe the audience as well, but only when it's worth arguing and when I have a point to make.

You do not.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Interesting for sure. Iran would do well to look at this given their aviation issues?

 

[SecularNationalist]

The new era has started. And this era is the slow decline of the west in all spheres of industries.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Interesting for sure. Iran would do well to look at this given their aviation issues?

Bro a multi polar world is in everyone's best interst. The west can no longer use its monopoly to effectively impose sanctions. Now the sanctioned countries have more options to source.

 

[gambit]

Your entire argument ignores geopolitical realities.

You call my argument emotional, but what I've said is purely what reality has shone.

What YOU are arguing is that geopolitics doesn't exist, and that the US has no sway over other nation's decisions, when it clearly does.

It is a super power, and the biggest military and economy in the world.

It is foolish to suggest otherwise.

By the way, this is what makes unilateral US sanctions so powerful.

Finally, I argue foe the audience as well, but only when it's worth arguing and when I have a point to make.

You do not.

The silent readers are still waiting on how the US prevents any country from buying the C919.

 

[That_Guy]

The silent readers are still waiting on how the US prevents any country from buying the C919.

I literally outlined it multiple times.

The only person here who seems to be ignoring that fact is you.

 

[gambit]

I literally outlined it multiple times.

The only person here who seems to be ignoring that fact is you.

No, you have not. If other countries do not want to buy the C919 because that would restrict their engagement in the US market, that DOES NOT qualify as somehow the US government prevented them from buying the C919. Market forces, look it up.

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Air Karachi to Slash Domestic Fares by 40% Using Chinese Aircraft

Air Karachi, a newly licensed Pakistani airline, has announced that it will begin domestic operations using Chinese-manufactured passenger aircraft. The

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