Chinese UAVs News & Discussions

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PLA exercise: using drones to transport wounded soldiers on the battlefield

 

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PLA exercise: using drones to transport wounded soldiers on the battlefield

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I know it serves the purpose but the carrier uncannily resembles a coffin.

 

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At 8:11 am on December 13th, the Yun-5U unmanned transport aircraft developed by Future Aircraft Company, a subsidiary of China Aviation Industry Corporation Tongfei, took off from Molidawa Banner Airport in Inner Mongolia. After 13 minutes of flight, the flight distance was 36 kilometers and the maximum altitude was 720 meters. After successfully completing the scheduled flight mission, it landed smoothly at 8:24 am, marking the successful maiden flight.

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[Vi-va]

I agree with you. I think there are some additions that need to be made, but that's beyond the scope of this thread. So, that's it.


1, We are discussing a topic about PLA weapon systems which can only be based on PLA's strategic tactics. Similarly, it is not appropriate to analyze the US military with the case of drones in the Russian-Ukrainian theater. ------ Special Forces and PAP tactical discussions are out of scope.

2, We are discussing the direct cost of use, excluding platform cost and support cost. If these costs were to be included, it would be impossible to calculate. Do you also need to consider the cost of the communication system of the swarm UCAV?

3, The 625E is based on the Pantsir s1 shell close air defense system and the Chinese ship mounted CIWS. the Chinese ship mounted CIWS can intercept supersonic armored targets. Here are the rounds it comes with and you can judge the 625E's capabilities based on those.
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As for whether it defends against SDB, I'm not sure. But, the SDB launch platform would first need to be exposed to our air defense missiles.

Offensive and defensive systems, always evolve in an upward spiral, and, surely, the offensive system comes first, and then the corresponding defensive system emerges. In actual combat, passive defense is one of the means for tactical needs, and offense is the best defense.

The core issue of our discussion is “using Swarm UCAV to defend against Swarm UCAV”. On this issue, I am against it.

Swarm UCAV is better suited for offense than defense. Of course, if we apply the previous point “offense is the best defense”, I have to agree. If the Swarm UCAV is simply used to build a defense grid over our key targets to ward off enemy Swarm UCAVs, I am strongly opposed to this approach.

The US Naval Postgraduate School believes that the only thing that can deal with swarm drones in future war will be another group of drones, and has carried out research on multi-target tracking in drone swarm confrontation.

For example, cluster drones carry fishing nets to capture another group of drones; Set up a net wall in the air to capture drones; Carry offensive weapons to destroy opposing drones; Take the way of suicide attack and the other side of the drone physical collision, so that it loses the combat ability.

集群无人机探测及对抗措施综述​

2.3 集群无人机对抗

随着无人机自主能力的不断提高和智能集群技术的发展，软杀伤和硬杀伤措施对无人机集群的限制效果将变得有限(例如无人机群分布范围很分散或利用高大建筑物躲避反制)。美国海军研究生院认为未来战争中唯一能对付集群无人机的将是另一群无人机[2]，并开展了无人机集群对抗中的多目标跟踪研究。

例如采用集群无人机携带渔网的方式，对另一群无人机进行捕获；在空中布设网墙，对无人机进行捕获；携带进攻武器对对方无人机进行摧毁;采取自杀式袭击的方式和对方无人机进行物理碰撞，使其丧失作战能力等[12]。

3 结束语​

随着无人机的小型化、智能化及智能集群技术快速发展，无人机集群的反制措施难度越来越高。如微小型无人机会增加探测跟踪难度；控制程序和通信链路的升级会增加网络攻击和射频干扰的难度[13-15]。无人机集群由于其变革性的战场应用前景，受到越来越多国家的关注和研究。本文对无人机集群的预警探测及较为有效的反制措施做了初步探讨，为对抗敌方无人机集群威胁提供了一定的参考。

集群无人机探测及对抗措施综述

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There is no way you can use traditional way to counter swarm uav. It's just a matter of ROI.

You enemy can use millions of small UAV in the same time in future, but you can't never counter millions of small UAV no matter how many laser system and 625 you have.

UAV are cheaper and cheaper day after day, while 625 cost is fixed(plus inflation).

Something new is needed, it could be swarm to counter swarm, or not. But if you stick to traditional air defense system, there is no way out.

Last but not least, you have to consider the system cost, including full life cycle cost, otherwise, the ROI discussion is meaningless.

625 upper limit is low, 25mm calibar means short range. 6 means you can shoot thousands of bullets per minute at most.

25mm*6 means you can shoot down targets with 2-3 mach speed in 1-2km range. That's the upper limit. Realy combat effectiveness usually be even lower, much lower.

SDB is covered by armor, laser system is useless in this case basically. You have to use APFSDS to penetrate those target(cost goes up). Even though, due to 25mm caliber, SDB is too fast, and too close to you, the kinetic energy will make enough damage unless SDB was hit and exploded in the air.

SDB is high speed target, while 625 can only shoot target in 1-2km, the 625 system can shoot 1-2 SDB at most. Your enemy can offload tens of them, 625 system is doomed in a few munites.

SDB launch platform can be anything in future, UAV or F-35. That's out of discussion here. Completely different topic.

@nang2 @Michael @Deino

 

[Michael]

The US Naval Postgraduate School believes that the only thing that can deal with swarm drones in future war will be another group of drones, and has carried out research on multi-target tracking in drone swarm confrontation.

For example, cluster drones carry fishing nets to capture another group of drones; Set up a net wall in the air to capture drones; Carry offensive weapons to destroy opposing drones; Take the way of suicide attack and the other side of the drone physical collision, so that it loses the combat ability.

集群无人机探测及对抗措施综述​

2.3 集群无人机对抗

随着无人机自主能力的不断提高和智能集群技术的发展，软杀伤和硬杀伤措施对无人机集群的限制效果将变得有限(例如无人机群分布范围很分散或利用高大建筑物躲避反制)。美国海军研究生院认为未来战争中唯一能对付集群无人机的将是另一群无人机[2]，并开展了无人机集群对抗中的多目标跟踪研究。

例如采用集群无人机携带渔网的方式，对另一群无人机进行捕获；在空中布设网墙，对无人机进行捕获；携带进攻武器对对方无人机进行摧毁;采取自杀式袭击的方式和对方无人机进行物理碰撞，使其丧失作战能力等[12]。

3 结束语​

随着无人机的小型化、智能化及智能集群技术快速发展，无人机集群的反制措施难度越来越高。如微小型无人机会增加探测跟踪难度；控制程序和通信链路的升级会增加网络攻击和射频干扰的难度[13-15]。无人机集群由于其变革性的战场应用前景，受到越来越多国家的关注和研究。本文对无人机集群的预警探测及较为有效的反制措施做了初步探讨，为对抗敌方无人机集群威胁提供了一定的参考。

集群无人机探测及对抗措施综述

远望智库：与智者同行，为创新加速！

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@nang2 @Michael @Deino

These self-published media have very little credibility. They are not worth exploring in depth.

I did see an official video once. A cluster UAS developed by a Chinese military industrial complex for export, which can be used against swarm drones. But the primary mission of these clustered UAS is still to perform offensive missions.
Their cluster UAS, however, does not fit your point.
1, These UAV's are larger, measuring around 1 meter. Larger payloads and longer ranges. They are out of the swarm drone convention.
2, They attack by firing cluster munitions or carrying electronic jamming equipment, not in direct impact mode. They fly at lower speeds than FPVs.
Precisely, this is a descending strike. These guys make medium sized UAVs into cluster UAS.

 

[Vi-va]

These self-published media have very little credibility. They are not worth exploring in depth.

I did see an official video once. A cluster UAS developed by a Chinese military industrial complex for export, which can be used against swarm drones. But the primary mission of these clustered UAS is still to perform offensive missions.
Their cluster UAS, however, does not fit your point.
1, These UAV's are larger, measuring around 1 meter. Larger payloads and longer ranges. They are out of the swarm drone convention.
2, They attack by firing cluster munitions or carrying electronic jamming equipment, not in direct impact mode. They fly at lower speeds than FPVs.
Precisely, this is a descending strike. These guys make medium sized UAVs into cluster UAS.

We will see.

 

[Michael]

China's new 600Kg-class advanced turbofan engine is unveiled.
The engine is mainly used for high-end UAV. 624 Research Institute development.





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Official News. via Weibo@CCTV Military

12月27日，记者从中国航空发动机集团了解到，国产首款自主研制600公斤推力级涡扇发动机首次点火启动。该款涡扇发动机具有高空1.5万米以上、高速0.8马赫以上、长航时飞行和高可靠性等特点，主要用于高端无人机。按计划，该款发动机将于2025年6月完成首飞，2026年完成定型，将极大提升我国1.5-4吨级无人机能力。
On December 27, the reporter learned from China Aviation Engine Group that the first independently developed 600 kg thrust-class turbofan engine was ignited and started for the first time. The turbofan engine is characterized by high altitude of more than 15,000 meters, high speed of more than Mach 0.8, long flight duration and high reliability, and is mainly used for high-end UAVs. As planned, the engine will complete its maiden flight in June 2025 and finalization in 2026, which will greatly enhance China's 1.5-4-ton UAV capability.

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