Deals for 26 Rafale-M jets, three Scorpene submarines to be signed by next month: Navy Chief

[harpy1]

Yeah… and who’s speaking, really?

For years, you’ve been relying on foreign aircraft and only local manufacturing with support until five years ago. Much of it has been based on reverse engineering and using clone components.

Now that you’ve started producing your own aircraft, suddenly it's portrayed as if you've been an aviation pioneer for decades.

Let’s keep things in perspective, please.

Nobody knows if these Chinese systems actually work
They have never fought a modern war
I would put my trust on USA France and Europe Israel Japan Russia way before Chinese equipment
Why
Nobody knows if they work period
It's all copy paste stolen technology

 

[iblini]

Nobody knows if these Chinese systems actually work
They have never fought a modern war
I would put my trust on USA France and Europe Israel Japan Russia way before Chinese equipment
Why
Nobody knows if they work period
It's all copy paste stolen technology

I feel so relieved after seeing you one of the most clown even among Indian has said this, keep up with your purchase list and christmas wish, it is very entertaining indeed.

I'll make a start for you,
by the year 2030 india will have x no of xxx, y no of yyy.

 

[harpy1]

I feel so relieved after seeing you one of the most clown even among Indian has said this, keep up with your purchase list and christmas wish, it is very entertaining indeed.

I'll make a start for you,
by the year 2030 india will have x no of xxx, y no of yyy.

Your off Topic with this last irrelevant point
India is buying more Rafale for Navy that is fact
They have Rafales already in the air force
So all this nonsensical cynical jibes about you will get xyz on xyz date is just envy bias posting
Multi billion dollar deals take years to materialise so a maturity in your contribution is needed

 

[iblini]

So all this nonsensical cynical jibes about you will get xyz on xyz date is just envy bias posting

"envy", kid...you really makes me laugh so hard, you are entertaining me with every one of your post, you are just like the kid with his christmas toy, trying to show off to every person he meet on the street.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Yeah… and who’s speaking, really?

For years, you’ve been relying on foreign aircraft and only local manufacturing with support until five years ago. Much of it has been based on reverse engineering and using clone components.

Now that you’ve started producing your own aircraft, suddenly it's portrayed as if you've been an aviation pioneer for decades.

Let’s keep things in perspective, please.

I never said China didn't have this problem before, but China always tries to make everything by itself from day one, didn't see much of this will from Indians.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Nobody knows if these Chinese systems actually work
They have never fought a modern war
I would put my trust on USA France and Europe Israel Japan Russia way before Chinese equipment
Why
Nobody knows if they work period
It's all copy paste stolen technology

You better keep this typical Indian mentality, none of Chinese weapons, cars, rockets and space stations ever worked, they are all fake propaganda.

 

[harpy1]

The thread is about the Rafale Marine induction deal to be signed next week
It's not about Chinese futuristic aviation technology
You guys are deliberate sabotaging the thread oh china is great their technology on j20 and sixth generation is great
We are not disputing this
The last time I checked
Pakistan our principle ally where Rafale will be used most likely will be against

J10c x 25
Thunders x 175
F16/52/30 x 75
F7/mirage X 100

Showing me sixth generation fighters even j35 is right now is deemed irrelevant as no deal no numbers no cost no delivery dates available.. just hearsay they are arriving soon

 

[Justin TruDont]

Let's wait for the deal to be signed
Before having another 20 pages debate

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Let's wait for the deal to be signed
Before having another 20 pages debate

Thats funny actually – deal yet to be done.

I used to see threads like this:

Rafale vs F16
Rafale Vs j10
Rafale vs J17

Now people are saying that Rafale is useless since the Chinese air force is flying 5th gen fighters. All in all, they want to say that 4th generation fighters are useless and stupid IAF is inducting useless 4th gen junk.

 

[Yasser76]

Thats funny actually – deal yet to be done.

I used to see threads like this:

Rafale vs F16
Rafale Vs j10
Rafale vs J17

Now people are saying that Rafale is useless since the Chinese air force is flying 5th gen fighters. All in all, they want to say that 4th generation fighters are useless and stupid, and the IAF is inducting useless 4th gen junk.

Not usless, very good plane, just people are dreaming it is a stealth killer, its not.

The premier air forces in the world (USAF, RAF, Italians, IDF, PLAAF, Japan, S Korea) are all using a combination of F-35 and 4th gen jets. 5th Gen very much breaking doors down and playing ISR/DEAD role and making initial fighter sweep. Likes Typhoon, F-16s etc sweeping in behind.

Of course some major air forces like UAEAF, RSAF, India etc are forced to reply on 4th gen, and these 4th gen are very good, but they are called 4th gen for a reason and F-22/F-35/J-35 is called 5th gen for very good reason.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Not usless, very good plane, just people are dreaming it is a stealth killer, its not.

The premier air forces in the world (USAF, RAF, Italians, IDF, PLAAF, Japan, S Korea) are all using a combination of F-35 and 4th gen jets. 5th Gen very much breaking doors down and playing ISR/DEAD role and making initial fighter sweep. Likes Typhoon, F-16s etc sweeping in behind.

Of course some major air forces like UAEAF, RSAF, India etc are forced to reply on 4th gen, and these 4th gen are very good, but they are called 4th gen for a reason and F-22/F-35/J-35 is called 5th gen for very good reason.

Not usless, very good plane, just people are dreaming it is a stealth killer, its not.

Sorry, When you said that – your whole argument is worthless to read – sorry again..

Anyway,
1st qustion -what is stealth technology? Does it make aircraft completely invisible?

2nd question – How did the USA stealth plane get shot down if it's true?

 

[Jungibaaz]

Not usless, very good plane, just people are dreaming it is a stealth killer, its not.

Sorry, When you said that – your whole argument is worthless to read – sorry again..

Anyway,
1st qustion -what is stealth technology? Does it make aircraft completely invisible?

2nd question – How did the USA stealth plane get shot down if it's true?

Practically speaking how do you propose a J-20/35 or F-35 is dealt with in an A2A scenario by a rafale?

I get why you’re bringing up limitations of stealth platforms, but in most ordinary scenarios, these 4th vs 5th gen scenarios will almost always see the 4th gen getting mauled. Rafale is nowhere near close to the cutting edge that it might win these matchups.

Forget the marketing hype, I think it’s even unfair that a solid platform like rafale is made to go up against stealthier fighters in theoretical matchups.

 

[Yasser76]

Not usless, very good plane, just people are dreaming it is a stealth killer, its not.

Sorry, When you said that – your whole argument is worthless to read – sorry again..

Anyway,
1st qustion -what is stealth technology? Does it make aircraft completely invisible?

2nd question – How did the USA stealth plane get shot down if it's true?

You can Google stealth, I cannot spoon feed you if you are ignorant.

Yes, a stealth fighter of early generation was shot down, no one said stealth is invincible, but how many 4th gen fighters have been shot down since that incident?1

There is a reason every major power is obtaining stealth or trying to obtain it. India's efforts seem to be focused on it's AMCA.

Good luck....

 

[Yasser76]

Practically speaking how do you propose a J-20/35 or F-35 is dealt with in an A2A scenario by a rafale?

I get why you’re bringing up limitations of stealth platforms, but in most ordinary scenarios, these 4th vs 5th gen scenarios will almost always see the 4th gen getting mauled. Rafale is nowhere near close to the cutting edge that it might win these matchups.

Forget the marketing hype, I think it’s even unfair that a solid platform like rafale is made to go up against stealthier fighters in theoretical matchups.

NATO exercises have F-15s, F-16s and Rafales losing almost every time against the F-35, but in IAF hands it will be different it seems....

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Practically speaking how do you propose a J-20/35 or F-35 is dealt with in an A2A scenario by a rafale?

I get why you’re bringing up limitations of stealth platforms, but in most ordinary scenarios, these 4th vs 5th gen scenarios will almost always see the 4th gen getting mauled. Rafale is nowhere near close to the cutting edge that it might win these matchups.

Forget the marketing hype, I think it’s even unfair that a solid platform like rafale is made to go up against stealthier fighters in theoretical matchups.

Yes, there's no doubt — 5th generation fighter jets are more advanced than 4th gen, and I’m not denying that. But when someone claims they can completely dominate all 4th gen fighters, I have to disagree. It’s not that simple.

Secondly, it often comes down to belief and trust in the platform. If we're talking about U.S. aircraft, I’d still give them an edge — they’ve had over 40 years of operational experience, and their platforms are mature. Even though a stealth fighter was shot down in the 1990s, they’ve continued evolving.

But can we say the same about Chinese aircraft?

You may prefer backing them, but others might hold a different view — and that’s fair. Personally, I believe in practical, proven capabilities over just specs on paper.

I can give you an example with Chinese SSBN submarines — despite being in development for a few decades, it wasn't until they began patrolling in international waters that other nations got the opportunity to assess them. The findings showed that they were quite noisy and still lag behind, even compared to Russian submarines.

So when it comes to an unproven platform, you really can’t draw definitive conclusions. Maybe it’s good, maybe it can be detected — we don’t know for sure yet. But some people are already acting based purely on belief, claiming that Chinese stealth fighters would easily overpower something like the Rafale.

Anyway, I haven’t even touched on aspects like ground support or broader operational capability yet if flying above uncontrolled and enemy airspace