DeepSeek, China's AI model: News & Discussion

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A refutation concerning US accusation of Kimi versus Fable.
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For anyone who knows about AI, this makes very little sense: the training run of a large-scale frontier model takes several months, up to 9 months for the largest ones (https://epoch.ai/data-insights/longest-training-run).

Fable was available for just 3 days in June before it was pulled (June 9th to 12th), and then from July 1st. Kimi K3 was released on July 17th.

So I'd love to be explained how a 2.8 trillion parameters model that takes months to train was supposedly built by distilling one that existed for a few days.

The accusations are all the more ridiculous given that K3 brings significant innovations on the architecture side of things, innovations that they extensively documented (as opposed to Anthropic which is largely an opaque black box). Ironically, the company accused of stealing is the one that showed its work And you can't steal architecture through distillation, it only captures a model's outputs, not how it's built.

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More Americans think China is world leader in AI, new survey reveals

Findings come as AI race between Washington and Beijing ramps up and with technology high on agenda at planned Trump-Xi summit in September.

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More Americans think China is world leader in AI, new survey reveals

Published: 7:21am, 24 Jul 2026Updated: 8:42am, 24 Jul 2026

More than one-third of Americans see China, and not the United States, as the global leader in artificial intelligence (AI), according to a Pew Research Centre survey released on Thursday, as US President Donald Trump confirmed the technology would be on the agenda when his Chinese counterpart visits the US later this year.

The survey found that 36 per cent of Americans believe China is more advanced than the United States in developing artificial intelligence. By comparison, only 12 per cent say the US is leading the AI race, while 18 per cent view the two countries as equally advanced. Another 33 per cent were unsure which nation is ahead.

The perception also cut across party lines, with 30 per cent of Republicans and 43 per cent of Democrats saying China is ahead of the US in AI advancement. Republicans, however, were more likely than Democrats to view the US as the leader, with 17 per cent holding that view compared with nine per cent of Democrats.

The survey on Thursday also showed that 43 per cent of Americans considered US leadership in AI development extremely or very important, while 22 per cent said it was not too or not at all important. Men, older adults and Republicans were more likely to place greater importance on US leadership in AI.

According to the Pew Research Centre, the poll was conducted last month with a sample size of 3,488 adults.