DeepSeek, China's AI model: News & Discussion

F-22Raptor said:
See above

Frankensteining software will only get you so far. Eventually you hit a wall without the compute

A the US has a clear moat in compute.
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All this DeepSeek fascination is obscuring another Chinese tech breakthrough which could have a major impact around the world.

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Thread 'China’s ‘explosive’ ironmaking breakthrough achieves 3,600-fold productivity boost'

TLDR: can complete the ironmaking process in just three to six seconds, compared to the five to six hours required by traditional blast furnaces

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A new method for making iron is not only faster and cheaper, but also better for the environment, according to Chinese researchers

Stephen Chenin Beijing
Published: 12:00pm, 8 Dec 2024
Updated: 2:43pm, 8 Dec 2024

After more than a decade of intensive research in China, a new ironmaking technology is poised to revolutionise the global steel manufacturing industry.
The method involves injecting finely ground iron ore...
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Menthol said:
Well, you see even OpenAI is doing it too.

And it became a political subject in USA when OpenAI was released, that lead to downgrading OpenAI answer quality.
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That was Dall-E drawing Chinese Nazis not ChatGPT.

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So @Menthol it isn't going to complete "clam up" like DeepSeek did.
 
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DeepSeek generates good responses for general queries and sometime they are even more detailed than ChatGpt.
However, it is controlled by CCP and it goes blank when asked about anything not approved by Papa Xi. Example - Type Tianmen and it would have a brain fade.
That’s a bummer considering that an AI assistant should be completely free to generate responses and not biased or controlled like DeepSeek is.
A good example of CCP restricting a wonderful creation.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
DeepSeek generates good responses for general queries and sometime they are even more detailed than ChatGpt.
However, it is controlled by CCP and it goes blank when asked about anything not approved by Papa Xi. Example - Type Tianmen and it would have a brain fade.
That’s a bummer considering that an AI assistant should be completely free to generate responses and not biased or controlled like DeepSeek is.
A good example of CCP restricting a wonderful creation.
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So certain topics cannot be discussed by Gemini and ChatGPT.

We know they are all biased in favour of their creators.

Focus on performance and price.
 
UKBengali said:
So certain topics cannot be discussed by Gemini and ChatGPT.

We know they are all biased in favour of their creators.

Focus on performance and price.
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DeepSeek R1 has essentially destroyed the American monopoly over AI before it even began. The reason being cheap asf inference and training costs, and it being open source. Now most people have been clinging to the Tianeman Square and Xi Jin Ping questions but miss out on a major point. This censorship applies only to the model interface hosted within China so of course whatever the CCP approves of, the model will be allowed to talk about. Similarly, OpenAI ChatGPT does not want to talk about the Rothschild family at all. Now the point where DeepSeek takes the cake is it being open source. A person with the know how could adjust the weights and remove any and all censorship from the model. It is available to everyone to use for free and for any application. You can host it offline on your own hardware so that no data goes to China and neither does any data get censored. Americans are trying to downplay this HUGE blow to their billions of dollars invested into AI because a minor company has come and destroyed their flagship reasoning model for a fraction of the cost.

And for people still skeptical about it, Hugging Face is currently cloning (re training from scratch with help from DeepSeek itself) the model in its entirety so that it is free of any censorship, and hosted in America. Perplexity already has done that but with minor censorship. OpenAI essentially has to produce a miracle such that a better model than R1 is made and is made open source just like it, else why would any person in their right mind pay for O1 or O3 when they can just host it on personal hardware for a fraction of of the cost.

Also, this model introduced a new type of compute, and hence is groundbreaking technology. It is using Reinforcement
Learning unlike O1 that used supervised learning. Reinforcement will always be superior to supervised learning so until OpenAI works on a RL based model, R1 is king.
 
All the Indian posters here think DeepSeek answers should be pro-India, pro-West and anti-China to measure up to the standards, lol.
 
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Finally a politics free, lie free AI model

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