Dr. Shahiduzzaman: in order to change India’s habitual perception, our only answer as I feel is nuclearization.

[hyperman]

You know, those nukes are NOT in the control of host countries but in control of USA. Only exception is UK. If Pakistan were to deploy its nukes in Bangladesh under similar terms the problem will be back again. What will ensure that Pakistan will actually retaliate to a conventional attack on Bangladesh with nukes, even if those were stationed in Bangladesh?

Will Pakistan risk itself to be destroyed to protect Bangladesh?

Those nukes are designed to be fit onto the Host Country's aircraft and deployed by their pilots if the need comes, of course you can't on your own decide to use them. But its not a simple matter of the US have aircraft and nukes deployed. Thats the case with every major foreign base deployment, its a little more involved than that. for example, Japan and South Korea are not nuclear weapons sharing states, but you can bet US nukes are certainly deployed in those countries.

Nuclear Weapons Sharing is exactly what that term implies, sharing/joint control. The whole point of setting it up as that in the first place was to dissuade the states part of the program from pursuing their own nuclear programs.

As to the last question, umm... yeah, that the whole point of a mutual defense contract and nuclear umbrella. Its to exact a price, that if Bangladesh gets invaded, we all die together in a MAD scenario(in this case, Bangladesh, Indian and Pakistan), the point is to increase the threshhold to where it actually functions as a deterrent.

Idk if a conventional strike would be answered with a nuclear, the scenario would likely need more of an impact.

Essentially what is being proposed here is more akin to the relationship before 1970s, its not going to be East Pakistan, and its not going to be based out of Islamabad, where power is hold by one side over another, Both States will be sovereign, but there would be a mutual defense pact.

 

[hyperman]

You are suggesting a South Asian NATO between Pakistan and Bangladesh. Wow,, Nepal, Bhutan and Maldives should also join. All coming together should be able to destroy evil India . ..

Pakistan should send nukes to Bangladesh immediately without delay

Let things play out, the status quo is certainly about the change thought. India's divide and rule by breeding animosity between Bangladesh and Pakistan trying to dredge up the baggage for their own interests is likely dead as a scenario though, if things play out the way they are..

 

[hyperman]

Oh, so India doesn’t have the capacity to help anyone, huh? When Sri Lanka was drowning in its worst financial crisis, who stepped up with a $4 billion aid package? It wasn’t China, that’s for sure. India was the one that came through, providing emergency loans, fuel, food, and medicines to keep their economy from completely collapsing. Meanwhile, China, the so-called "economic powerhouse," sat on the sidelines, offering nothing but empty promises and debt traps.

While China’s Belt and Road projects left Sri Lanka sinking under massive debt, it was India that provided real, tangible assistance when the country needed it the most. So don’t come talking about "wealth input" when China’s investments are more about trapping nations in loans they can’t repay, unlike India, which stepped in and provided genuine relief. Maybe learn the facts before throwing around baseless claims.

India Provided $4 Billion In Food, Financial Aid To Crisis-Hit Sri Lanka

India on Sunday highlighted its constructive and significant role in human-centric globalization at the United Nations General Assembly and said that it had provided nearly $4 billion in food and financial assistance to Sri Lanka.

www.ndtv.com

You are not China, you have the population size of China, but you are not China. lol

If you think you have a better relationship with Sri Lanka than China, you are delusional. lol

 

[hyperman]

Turkey is in no position to lecture anyone, let alone India. Your economy is a disaster. Inflation’s skyrocketing, and the lira? It’s crashing harder than your government's credibility. People can barely afford basic goods, but you want to talk tough? Fix your broken economy first before you even think about stepping into a heavyweight ring with a country like India, where our economy’s on the rise, and we’ve got real global influence.

And let’s not forget your Kurdish problem. Decades of fighting the PKK, and you’re still stuck in the mud. You really want to provoke India? Don’t be surprised when we start supporting Kurdish factions—you think we don’t have the reach or the capability to make that a reality? We’ve got diplomatic and military clout to turn your little insurgency into a full-blown civil war if you push us. And believe me, it’ll hurt a lot more than any hypothetical alliance you’re daydreaming about.

Speaking of your neighbors, how’s it feel being surrounded by countries that can’t stand you? Greece, Cyprus, Armenia—they all have axes to grind with Turkey, and guess what? India has excellent relations with all of them. We could ramp up our support to those countries and watch you scramble. Think you can handle the pressure? You’re already stretched thin trying to play tough in Syria and Libya. One more front, and Turkey’s going to buckle, and India’s perfectly capable of making that happen.

And don’t even start with NATO. You’re the black sheep of the alliance, barely tolerated after pulling your S-400 stunt with Russia. The U.S. isn’t happy with you, and Europe’s sick of your antics. India, on the other hand, is tightening its defense ties with the U.S., France, and Israel. If you think you’re untouchable because of NATO, you’re sorely mistaken. We’ve got enough influence to turn that little arrangement of yours into a liability.

So, before you come at India with this fantasy of a China-Pakistan-Bangladesh alliance, take a good hard look at Turkey. You’re standing on shaky ground, and if you try to poke the bear, we’ll turn your internal issues into a full-blown firestorm.

Idk wtf this has to do with Turkey.

I'm just giving my own personal assessment of the situation, has no relation to Turkey.

You can believe whatever you want about Turkey. lol

Also India isn't going to do shit to Turkey. lol, don't get upset over an unrelated thing and then start to speak on behalf of the Indian state as if they are going to do something, they sell a couple of weapons to a desperate Armenia, and suddenly every Bhakh thinks that India some sort of world power broker of something. lmao

 

[hyperman]

Then, get ready to watch Chumbi Valley and Lhasa fall! These locations are well within the sights of Indian forces. Just a strategic placement of artillery atop the heights of Sikkim and Doklam would obliterate them. You might be surprised to learn that it's actually easier for India to push into the Chumbi Valley than for China to intrude into Siliguri corridor. The reasons? Lower altitudes, dense coniferous forests that can conceal troop movements, and multiple river valleys flowing from both the Indian and Bhutanese sides, offering ideal ingress routes. The Chumbi Valley is a narrow, wedge-shaped area between India’s Sikkim and Bhutan. Its confined geography makes large-scale troop movement difficult, with limited space to maneuver, especially in the face of artillery and airstrikes.

Lmao, India is in no position to make threats to China, it didn't have the Capacity before in the first war, and it doesn't have it today. China is far more consolidated than India, and with far less "loose ends" shall we way. Any sort of move against China will end in a far bigger disaster than Aksai Chin last time.

 

[hyperman]

Bangladesh can barely build bicycles, let alone nukes. They should keep to their strengths- underwear manufacturing.

You don't need to build them to have them. lol

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Totally a popcorn thread. Good to see it's still running.

All this rhetoric won't save you from the impending payments to Adani and other power companies. These noises are not creating any goodwill either but then again it's a normal emotional outburst moment for them.

 

[AjayGhatak]

Those nukes are designed to be fit onto the Host Country's aircraft and deployed by their pilots if the need comes, of course you can't on your own decide to use them. But its not a simple matter of the US have aircraft and nukes deployed. Thats the case with every major foreign base deployment, its a little more involved than that. for example, Japan and South Korea are not nuclear weapons sharing states, but you can bet US nukes are certainly deployed in those countries.

Nuclear Weapons Sharing is exactly what that term implies, sharing/joint control. The whole point of setting it up as that in the first place was to dissuade the states part of the program from pursuing their own nuclear programs.

If Pakistan does anything even remotely similar, it will be treated as proliferation and will likely invite sanctions. Bangladesh also is signatory to NPT as a non-nuclear state. Try to withdraw from it and there will be sanction consequences on both of the states. At BEST bangladesh can argue to host Pakistan controlled nuclear weapons but to actually have nukes with Bangladesh forces is essentially inviting sanctions on violation of NPT.

As to the last question, umm... yeah, that the whole point of a mutual defense contract and nuclear umbrella. Its to exact a price, that if Bangladesh gets invaded, we all die together in a MAD scenario(in this case, Bangladesh, Indian and Pakistan), the point is to increase the threshhold to where it actually functions as a deterrent.

Idk if a conventional strike would be answered with a nuclear, the scenario would likely need more of an impact.

Essentially what is being proposed here is more akin to the relationship before 1970s, its not going to be East Pakistan, and its not going to be based out of Islamabad, where power is hold by one side over another, Both States will be sovereign, but there would be a mutual defense pact.

I highly doubt that powers-to-be in Pakistan will even remotely consider to sanction and to submit itself to a complete nuclear annihilation in a war they might not be party to. Remember, there is no NATO kind of Article 5 between two countries and neither Pakistan is strong enough to actually put together anything similar.

Besides, there is nothing of value for Pakistan and its decision makers in this.

Lastly, I highly doubt India will threaten to use nukes first on Bangladesh without a provocation of nukes or WMD. In a purely conventional war, India can wipe the floor with Bangladesh. So why will it escalate? Without nuclear threat, any kind of treaty or nuclear weapons sharing is useless as a means of deterrance.

 

[AjayGhatak]

You don't need to build them to have them. lol

Unless Bangladesh wants to share the fate of north korea, it better makes its own nukes or may be secretly buy nukes and missiles from north korea. Any formal engagement in nuclear weapons sharing or anything like that will invite sanctions.

If it wants to secretly acquire nukes and reveal them at a later date, north korea is a better suited partner due to its history and more mature nuclear and missile program.

 

[Pingle]

Not really but bring Bangladesh under nuclear umbrella of Pakistan. Any attack on our territory could be considered an attack on Pakistan and vice versa

You are a funny guy.... Pakistan who is already not performing good on economic front and you honestly believe that it is in position to nuke other nuclear power and invite a nuclear retaliation on its own land for that country attacking Bangladesh who is too performing poorly on economic front?? Seems a good amount of weed in your fish curry and rice.....

 

[Pataliputra]

You don't need to build them to have them. lol

Pakistan lacks any credible nuclear deterrence against India, which is why the idea of Bangladesh obtaining Pakistani nukes is funny. The Indian nuclear-capable BrahMos missile striking deep inside Pakistan was a clear signal that India has the capability to eliminate Pakistan with nukes, while Pakistan would be unable to respond.

 

[Chengmai]

Let things play out, the status quo is certainly about the change thought. India's divide and rule by breeding animosity between Bangladesh and Pakistan trying to dredge up the baggage for their own interests is likely dead as a scenario though, if things play out the way they are..

bangladesh is going trough post break up glow up stage and hence experimenting with new relationship.. soon realization will creep in and old romance with India will blossm ..

there is noting Pakistan can offer to Bangladesh and both the parties know that. bangladesh is just trying malevolant infidelity to punish India..

 

[hyperman]

bangladesh is going trough post break up glow up stage and hence experimenting with new relationship.. soon realization will creep in and old romance with India will blossm ..

there is noting Pakistan can offer to Bangladesh and both the parties know that. bangladesh is just trying malevolant infidelity to punish India..

lol, ok buddy.

 

[hyperman]

Pakistan lacks any credible nuclear deterrence against India, which is why the idea of Bangladesh obtaining Pakistani nukes is funny. The Indian nuclear-capable BrahMos missile striking deep inside Pakistan was a clear signal that India has the capability to eliminate Pakistan with nukes, while Pakistan would be unable to respond.

Complete delusion if you think there isn't a second strike option. We saw what happened with the "Surgical Strike". lol, you don't seem to understand how second strike capability works.

 

[hyperman]

Unless Bangladesh wants to share the fate of north korea, it better makes its own nukes or may be secretly buy nukes and missiles from north korea. Any formal engagement in nuclear weapons sharing or anything like that will invite sanctions.

If it wants to secretly acquire nukes and reveal them at a later date, north korea is a better suited partner due to its history and more mature nuclear and missile program.

What you are suggesting is more likely to bring sanctions. NWS, funny enough is something that the US and Russia now both do, so the basis for knocking that would be weak.

Building the weapons yourself would be problematic, India would likely attack to prevent a scenario of building and there would be sanctions, but a deployment of foreign nukes is more difficult to stop. b/c technically they aren't your own nukes and the deployment time is much shorter than trying to build nukes.