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Could very well be.No bro, this is an AK platform modernization. Sig is AR.
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Could very well be.No bro, this is an AK platform modernization. Sig is AR.
Look at the mag release and more importantly the receiver and the layout of the gas system with what seems to be a folding stock.Could very well be.
So they are using the AK-12/19 as a platform? I would have thought the Indians would move away from this. Especially after they expressed so much interest in project Excalibur and the Sig's.Look at the mag release and more importantly the receiver.
They have a deal for local AK203 production for a total of more than 600k. They want 3 types: x39 (AK203), x51 (Sig) 72k bought another 70k in pipeline, 556 CQB tender for ~400k in process.So they are using the AK-12/19 as a platform? I would have thought the Indians would move away from this. Especially after they expressed so much interest in project Excalibur and the Sig's.
My thoughts exactly, modern combat has evolved beyond battle rifles, nowadays its all about full-spectrum battle sphere. Boots on the ground are limited to engagements which are up close and personal.They have a deal for local AK203 production for a total of more than 600k. They want 3 types: x39 (AK203), x51 (Sig) 72k bought another 70k in pipeline, 556 CQB tender for ~400k in process.
In view of above all these local experiments seem to be a failure.
Basically mission specific tools.My thoughts exactly, modern combat has evolved beyond battle rifles, nowadays its all about full-spectrum battle sphere. Boots on the ground are limited to engagements which are up close and personal.
AKs are basically assault rifels with 7.62X39mm cartridge for regular deployment while this is a 7362X51mm caliibered gun system more for non regular infantry use like secail forces and trbouled areas where long range engagements are neededNo bro, this is an AK platform modernization. Sig is AR.
Also tender for 400K CQB rifle is active along with another batch of 70k sig for direct purchase, these local experiments seem to be a failure.
AK is also a platform. For example, Galil and if I remember INSAS have been derived from it. Where as Sig and others are derived from AR platform (originally 556).AKs are basically assault rifels with 7.62X39mm cartridge for regular deployment while this is a 7362X51mm caliibered gun system more for non regular infantry use like secail forces and trbouled areas where long range engagements are needed
AK203 or trichy are basically assault rifes for 250-300m range combats
while SIG or this new rifle is for 500-600 m range combat
See the problem is lack of tranperency in DRDO & OFB boards for which it was overhauled and new procurement policy was formulated when MODI took the charge after 2014 to contain the corruption between nexus of beurocrats in MOD and armed forces with russian and european arms suppliers who ruled the power corridoars ... that was the main reason why it was such a pinfull experience with INSAS and FN FALAK is also a platform. For example, Galil and if I remember INSAS have been derived from it. Where as Sig and others are derived from AR platform (originally 556).
There are many AK derived 556 and x51 rifles out there and Russians have 5.45 AK derivatives.
BTW sig a a vanilla DI AR in x51.
A modified copy of INSAS.DRDO launches assault rifle 'Ugram' for Indian Army
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Pune: The Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) and a Hyderabad-based private firm launched an indigenous assault rifle named ‘ugram’ (ferocious) on Monday. This is the first time that the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) lab has collaborated with a private industry to manufacture a 7.62 x 51 mm calibre rifle, said an official.
The weapon is designed and developed to meet the operational requirements of the Indian armed forces, paramilitary forces and state police forces, said the official. The rifle, weighing less than four kg with a 500-meter firing range, was unveiled at the hands of Shailendra Gade, the director general of the Armament and Combat Engineering (ACE) system of the DRDO. Scientists and private players said that it was developed based on the General Staff Qualitative Requirements (GSQRs) issued by the Indian Army for assault rifles in the recent past. The scope of the project is huge in the current security scenario because of a shortfall in assault rifles in the forces.
The import of AK-203 rifles has been affected owing to the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine, the official claimed. A Raju, the director of the ARDE, said the laboratory developed the design for the weapon. “In this case, we have followed the newly introduced concept of development cum production partner (DCPP) to execute the project and that is how the private firm is involved in it. Now, we have developed the weapon in collaboration. We will now conduct various internal trials at our firing range to test various aspects of the weapon before going for user trials,” he added.
Weapon testing is a time-consuming process. A weapon should attain the basic threshold of the forces’ requirements in terms of accuracy, smooth functioning etc, said the officials. “We are in the process of constituting a board of officers, represented by the Indian Army, to carry out a series of user trials in different weather conditions. The user, in this case the army, will test the weapon in high-altitude regions, deserts, etc in the coming months. If the weapon does not meet a particular requirement, we will have to take necessary measures to attain it at the earliest,” Raju added.
The ARDE officials and members of the firm worked hard to develop the weapon in 100 days. “It was a commendable achievement. We could do it because our design was already ready,” added the director. G Ram Chaitanya Reddy, director of Dvipa Armour India, claimed that they are among 30 licenced holders to manufacture weapons for the armed forces. “It is the first successful joint venture project that we have executed in a record time. We have developed five rifles for testing in the first slot. We will give 15 more rifles to the ARDE for advanced testing,” he said.
Unique barrel manufacturing unit at ARDE The ARDE has established a dedicated barrel manufacturing facility on its campus. The DRDO has spent Rs 60 crore on the project. It will manufacture barrels for various weapons in a quick time. It will help private industries to execute their weapon manufacturing projects, said officials. The machines have been imported from Austria. The ordnance factories use these machines for manufacturing barrels. PS Prasad, project director of the small arms section of the ARDE and in charge of the facility, said, “Private industries have got the licence to develop weapons. But they do not have the technology and facility to produce barrels for the weapons. In that case, they will have to import barrels. It is a costly affair for them. At the initial stage, no firm will get a huge quantity order for the weapon. So, they will not invest in this kind of facility. Also, we have the required expertise in this area. We have to handhold them. Otherwise, they will not be able to execute their projects. As a result, the DRDO invested in this project to meet their requirements.” Prasad said that there is a high demand already from manufacturers for developing barrels that will be cost-effective as compared to the imported ones.
556 is not going away with the procurement tender of 400k plus CQB rifle.See the problem is lack of tranperency in DRDO & OFB boards for which it was overhauled and new procurement policy was formulated when MODI took the charge after 2014 to contain the corruption between nexus of beurocrats in MOD and armed forces with russian and european arms suppliers who ruled the power corridoars ... that was the main reason why it was such a pinfull experience with INSAS and FN FAL
now within 9 years after the system was overhauled and OFB board was liquidated things started moving and with bringing in private players indian industry has finally started showing results ... its not where it should have been but getting there
now 5.56 was a joke and never really made any one happy niether the infantry guy nor the top brass that needed results hence 7.62 made a comeback in just couple of decades
now for counter insurgency and close quater combat 7.62X39mm is more than enough like urban areas but for real long range battle like in plains of Punjab and rajasthan or Tibet platue 7.62X51 is needed that too with heavy garin variety
and for that we dont need a so called multi callibar rifle that changes from 5.56 to 7.62 to a carbine round but a dedicated 7.62X51 rifle with a heavy duty robust built that can do close quatar with ease just like long range battle and assault roles in a single barrel and still be managable recoil just like TAVOR 7
Being phased out.What happened to INSAS?
Even the MCX had a mandatory recall:556 is not going away with the procurement tender of 400k plus CQB rifle.
Also sig is not a robust product with reliability issues being well documented. Basically in order to win the tender on price they fielded 716i DI rifle instead of short strike piston Sig-716. That combined with bad ammo is causing issues. It’s basically an AR10 externally modernized.
In my opinion India made a mistaken consigning the F-INSAS project to the dustbin.What happened to INSAS?