Egypt Chooses Chinese-Made J-10C Fighter Jets, Rejects F-16 Upgrade

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Egypt Chooses Chinese-Made J-10C Fighter Jets, Rejects F-16 Upgrade

With this move, Egypt becomes the second country after Pakistan to acquire the Chinese-made 4.5 generation J-10C "Vigorous Dragon" fighter jets.​

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(DEFENCE SECURITY ASIA) – Egypt has reportedly decides to acquire China’s J-10C “Vigourous Dragon” fighter jets to replace its aging fleet of American-made F-16s currently in service with the country’s air force.​

Although the Egyptian Ministry of Defence has yet to make an official announcement, both local and international media have confirmed the decision.​

With this move, Egypt becomes the second country after Pakistan to acquire the Chinese-made 4.5 generation J-10C “Vigorous Dragon” fighter jets.​

Egypt’s decision signals its intention to strengthen ties with China, despite being a close ally of the United States.​

Currently, the Egyptian Air Force operates around 200 F-16 fighter jets made by Lockheed Martin, and the U.S. had offered a package to upgrade these aircraft.​


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Pakistan’s J-10C

However, Egypt appears to have declined the offer.​

The J-10 “Vigorous Dragon” fighter jet, developed by Chengdu Aircraft Corporation for the Chinese Air Force, was first unveiled to the Chinese public in July 2017 and entered combat service in 2018.​

Regional military observers note that the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) operates approximately 150 J-10C jets.​


Compared to earlier versions, the J-10C is lighter, more difficult to detect, and equipped with a more powerful engine.​

Additionally, the J-10C variant features an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, enhancing its target detection capabilities.​

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China’s J-10

Reports of Egypt’s potential acquisition of the J-10C surfaced last year, with senior defense officials from both Egypt and China reportedly meeting at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition (LIMA 2023) to discuss the deal.​


At LIMA 2023, China’s “August 1st” aerobatic team, flying the J-10C, also participated in the aerospace and maritime showcase at the island resort.​

Meanwhile, in July this year, an offer for Egypt to acquire the J-10C was reportedly made during a visit to China by Egyptian Air Force Commander General Mahmoud Fouad Abdel Gawaad, who met his Chinese counterpart, General Chang Dingqiu, in Beijing.​

The meeting, held at the invitation of General Chang, aimed to enhance the strategic relationship between the two nations.​


According to an official statement from the Egyptian Armed Forces, the visit by the Egyptian Air Force Commander underscored the Middle Eastern power’s commitment to deepening military ties with its allies.​


J-10C

J-10C also participated in LIMA 2023 in Langkawi.

Discussions between the two parties focused on increasing cooperation between their air forces, particularly in training programs, technology transfer, and joint equipment production.​

General Mahmoud Fouad also visited Tangshan Air Base, where he and his delegation were treated to a flight demonstration of the J-10C.​


The J-10C is reportedly equipped with PL-15 air-to-air missiles, which were allegedly developed with Russian assistance and have an effective range of between 200km and 300km, according to Chinese claims.​

The PL-15 is also touted as a primary competitor to the U.S.-made AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missile. – DSA​

 
What will happen to those 200,old f16s will they be retired

Since this article says Egypt rejected the upgradation deal
 
This will truly anger and humiliate the Americans. I am still waiting for an official confirmation.

The USA has been forcing Egypt to buy gimped versions of jets to "protect" Israels superiority with no due regards to Egypts defence, and interests. It has gotten away with this as Egypt had no real choice before. Western jets were all downgraded versions, the Russia stuff for the most part does not work/or work very well based on the combat record of Russian jets against western jets.

Egypt can still continue to use its "USA Aid" for the security agreement with Israel, to purchase non offensive systems from the USA, for example the C130J is a good example, as it is a damn good plane even today.

China is an equation changer where Egypt can get what it wants, needs. Egypts jet trainer fleet has already transitioned over to Chinese jets in the form of K8s. Now, potentially( right now, all this J10CE talk is to me an agreement to discuss things further, not a contract ) J10CE's if negiotations conclude successfully and both sides can come to terms. The J10CE is the pathway to build capabilities in the EAF that will allow it to adopt the FC-31/35.

Dont get me wrong, China is also selling down graded versions, ie PL15 vs PL15E, but baseline of the Chinese platform is higher than what the Americans will offer to Egypt.

The world is "moving on" from USA sanctions and USA veto on what people can, and cannot buy, as more countries are moving into defence manufacturing and they are all keen to sell.
 
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What will happen to those 200,old f16s will they be retired

Since this article says Egypt rejected the upgradation deal


Upgrade will just be theoretical as the Egyptians will be resticted to the 1980s Sparrow missile or an old AMRAAM version, and so although the radars and electronics will be better, they still won't be able to shoot down any Zionist warplanes.

I am sceptical due to Egypt's reliance on the Zio-US and Gulfies for their economic survival, but would be so happy if this is true and we see an independent Egypt again putting Zionist a** on fire once more.
 
This is the first real credible report on the statement of intent to swap out F16s with J10CEs

 
Dark moment for the Americans.
 
Looking forward to PAF J10CEs and EAF J10CEs and Rafales exercises in the future! Maybe PAF J10CE's can go to Egypt to exercise together.

This puts to "rest" the dance of Tejas/HAL that had been going on and then went very quiet on.
 
It is still unclear whether Egypt will buy J-10, but it is definitely the right move to reject US upgrade offer. If I'm in charge of EAF I won't trust that at all, who knows if there are any kill switches snuck in the complex avionics
 
The J-10C is reportedly equipped with PL-15 air-to-air missiles, which were allegedly developed with Russian assistance and have an effective range of between 200km and 300km, according to Chinese claims.
I don't know of any Russian AA missiles capable of BVR with AESA. The development of PL-15 can be traced back to Soviet Union and Russia in the 1990s but they were a few models before PL-15. This claim is ridiculous and ignorant.
 
What will happen to those 200,old f16s will they be retired

Since this article says Egypt rejected the upgradation deal
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The F-16 fleet entered service in 1982 in several batches. The initial batch was 42 F-16A/B BLOCK- 15, which were upgraded to F-16 BLOCK- 40. In 1988, Egypt received 40 F-16 BLOCK- 32. These two batches were upgraded to the F-16B LOCK- 40 level. Between 1992-1998, Egypt received 92 F-16 BLOCK- 40. Egypt contracted for 21 F-16 BLOCK- 40 and received them in 2000. In 2002, Egypt received 24 F-16 BLOCK- 40. The last deal Egypt contracted for was 20 F-16 BLOCK- 52, which Egypt received between 2012-2015. The narrative shows that the planes were received by Egypt within 33 years. The lifespan of the old planes was extended to 8,000 flight hours to 12,000 flight hours. Therefore, Egypt was supposed to start replacing the first batches of F-16A/B BLOCK- 15 starting in 2022, but they serve a limited number of additional years until 2030. In fact, Egypt wanted to develop 120 F-16 BLOCK- 40 aircraft, and after completing their development, develop 20 F-16 BLOCK- 52 aircraft. In general, the F-16 fighter will not be taken out of service until it is no longer suitable for operation. The aircraft can be converted after the completion of their technical renovation into UCAV aircraft. Currently, Egypt is moving in several directions. It continues to acquire additional numbers of Rafale aircraft. It uses the F-16 aircraft in CAS & ADVANCED TRAINER missions and buys J-10C/D aircraft to fill a gap, perhaps. 52-80 aircraft in total size and replacing the remaining F-16 fleet with the FC-31 aircraft, Egypt's eastern aircraft are considered open source aircraft. The Russians themselves, the MiG-29M/M2 avionics suite has an open architecture based on the MIL-STD-1553B multiplexing bus enabling integration of the onboard equipment and weapon systems of both Russian and foreign origins at customer request. That is, to integrate Egyptian and foreign munitions when needed, while the Americans restrict the French in the Rafale fighters, allowing the integration of munitions from other countries if the volume of requests is large because the French are aware that their munitions are expensive, which hinders the acquisition of their fighters in large numbers. The French allowed the integration of Indian and Russian munitions into the Rafale for this reason, as it is primarily economical and encourages the marketing of the aircraft internationally. Egypt has a history of using Chinese fighters and Chinese training aircraft, and they have great flexibility, even more than the docking, whether in developing aircraft or integrating Ammunition from other sources
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Egypt has not completely closed the door to any development of the F-16 aircraft, perhaps through Greece, South Korea or Turkey, but also at a low cost. The main reason for the United States’ refusal to supply Egypt with fighters or advanced ammunition is due to their pre-prepared plans to ignite the Middle East and their intentions to expand Israel and use Ethiopia as a threat stick against Egypt. Egypt has known the American plans from the beginning and we deal with them completely, even if it seems that we are waiting for the Americans’ satisfaction, but in fact Egypt secures itself with multiple sources of armament internationally so that it is not under pressure from any country. Rather, it is previously known that Egypt will in any case reject any American weapons that would be restrictions on Egypt. Egypt’s continued acquisition of the C-130 and CH-47 aircraft is simply because the technical insurance for these aircraft is done locally, whether maintenance or some spare parts production, which makes American pressure to ban spare parts possible to overcome in various ways, while the fighters are more complicated and sensitive. Chinese deals are very important It represents a pressure on the French to be flexible in providing Egypt with more Rafale fighters at a good price as well, using locally manufactured components or even their final assembly, because when France finds competition, it provides better terms and offers so as not to lose. The same thing represented pressure on the Koreans that there is a Chinese alternative to the advanced training aircraft and an incentive for the Russians to provide a package of new weapons and technology so as not to lose the Egyptian defense market. It is worth noting that the American side feels the level of the Chinese threat in the international fighter market, so the Americans began to reduce the importance of the Egyptian contract that there are no buyers for Chinese fighters, although the J-10C aircraft will be sold to Algeria and Nigeria, unlike other countries that will make it spread internationally. Some imagine that fifth-generation fighters should dominate the battlefields, but the poor performance of the F-35 and F-22 fighters and the high maintenance requirements necessitated the presence of fourth-generation fighters with air weapons in large quantities due to their presence in the air for long periods and less maintenance requirements and lower operating costs. The Americans themselves want a new light fighter, as the F-35 The bomb of problems is not a bomb of solutions. The Israelis themselves, when they struck the port of Hodeidah with part of an F-35 aircraft, entered a deep and long maintenance phase. We do not see the Israeli interest in obtaining 50 new F-15IA fighters, a development of the traditional F-15 fighters, given the experience of dealing with F-35 fighters. This is not a justification or means that countries should abandon fifth-generation fighters, but rather the importance of having fighters that carry out many sorties smoothly and easily and with less maintenance than fourth-generation fighters.
 
It is still unclear whether Egypt will buy J-10, but it is definitely the right move to reject US upgrade offer. If I'm in charge of EAF I won't trust that at all, who knows if there are any kill switches snuck in the complex avionics
Buying the J10 is undoubtedly in Egypts best interest but don’t forget that Sissi is a US puppet and he is there to look after US interests not Egypts.
 
Buying the J10 is undoubtedly in Egypts best interest but don’t forget that Sissi is a US puppet and he is there to look after US interests not Egypts.
Why do the comments indicate the possession of high capabilities of stupidity? First, Egypt has been distancing itself from American weapons since 2013, and Egypt’s economic relations with America have been reduced, and the economic pressures that are being implemented are being implemented through America. Any person who does not have an ounce of intelligence is arrogant and makes accusations as a result of his brain being filled with trivialities.
 

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