Egypt is close to a historic deal: American F-15 fighters are on the cusp of the Egyptian Air Force

[nahtanbob]

So give Egypt old F15s without BVR and give Israel F35s

All in an attempt to turn Egypt away from Chinese jets that could actually harm Israel

The Arabs states need to make a lot more intelligent purchase, and start investing in their own industry and start making arrangements with other Arab and Muslim states

This type of lackey bullshit has hurt Arabs more then anything

Someone has pony up the $$$ for Chinese jets

 

[nahtanbob]

So what if you have to buy Chinese?

A lot of countries do not look at China the same way a few Pakistani fan boys do

Why not go nuclear? Not that it is easy but it is either this or eating dung ($hit) at the hands of the Israelis and their guardians in the west for perpetuity.

Yes, Pakistan is in the same boat but of a different kind, but together with Pakistan, with Turkey, create options with support from China and Russia.

You are asking the Arabs to join with Turkey, a NATO member and Pakistan, an IMF drug addict, to work on an alternative to the USA

 

[wangdefa]

A lot of countries do not look at China the same way a few Pakistani fan boys do




You are asking the Arabs to join with Turkey, a NATO member and Pakistan, an IMF drug addict, to work on an alternative to the USA

Recently, there was an interesting interview with former U.S. Commerce Department Secretary Raymondo. The host asked why your current evaluation of China is completely opposite to your previous one. Raymondo said that because I have stepped down, the only one in the world who can deeply study China is probably the United States. Other countries can only read Western news to understand China.
I'm not surprised that many of you here still have the impression of decades ago, which shows that our government has been very low-key. If it weren't for the US-China trade war, we would have kept a low profile. It's not our style to talk, especially in the military.
Basically, Chinese military attachés don't go around speaking like the United States, and if it's not satellite images, or the military proactively releases them, no one knows what they're doing.

 

[Watandar]

Recently, there was an interesting interview with former U.S. Commerce Department Secretary Raymondo. The host asked why your current evaluation of China is completely opposite to your previous one. Raymondo said that because I have stepped down, the only one in the world who can deeply study China is probably the United States. Other countries can only read Western news to understand China.
I'm not surprised that many of you here still have the impression of decades ago, which shows that our government has been very low-key. If it weren't for the US-China trade war, we would have kept a low profile. It's not our style to talk, especially in the military.

Can you please provide a link to this interview with Secreatry Raimondo ? She had presidential aspirations once and I dont think we have heard the last from her.

 

[nahtanbob]

Recently, there was an interesting interview with former U.S. Commerce Department Secretary Raymondo. The host asked why your current evaluation of China is completely opposite to your previous one. Raymondo said that because I have stepped down, the only one in the world who can deeply study China is probably the United States. Other countries can only read Western news to understand China.
I'm not surprised that many of you here still have the impression of decades ago, which shows that our government has been very low-key. If it weren't for the US-China trade war, we would have kept a low profile. It's not our style to talk, especially in the military.
Basically, Chinese military attachés don't go around speaking like the United States, and if it's not satellite images, or the military proactively releases them, no one knows what they're doing.

Foreign leaders have access to political scientists, bankers, intelligence chiefs, and generals to brief them on China. It is seen that with the level of economic activity, countries do with China.

 

[wangdefa]

Can you please provide a link to this interview with Secreatry Raimondo ? She had presidential aspirations once and I dont think we have heard the last from her.

Her most recent speech was in an interview at Harvard University. I'm sorry, I don't remember which platform I saw the interview video on, but maybe you can search for the keywords.

 

[HH-9A]

Can you please provide a link to this interview with Secreatry Raimondo ? She had presidential aspirations once and I dont think we have heard the last from her.

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Probably it refers to the above one. How sad a suppressor who masterminded the suppression of Huawei, failed her mission and had to acknowledge her victim supposed to be, emerging stronger than ever.

 

[fitpOsitive]

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Cairo is moving steadily towards redrawing the map of its air power, in a move that may rearrange the balance of power in the skies of the Middle East. After more than two years of complex negotiations, Egypt continues its discussions with the United States regarding a possible deal to acquire up to 46 F-15 Advanced Eagle fighters, in one of the most anticipated deals in the region in decades.

Recent reports indicate that negotiations are still ongoing without an official announcement, but indications point to a growing strategic agreement between Cairo and Washington that is restoring warmth to defense relations between the two countries after years of stagnation.

Washington reopens doors

The first public indication of US readiness to supply Egypt with F-15 fighters was revealed in March 2022, when General Frank McKenzie, then commander of US Central Command, announced before the Senate that "the good news is that we will supply Egypt with F-15 aircraft".

Since then, technical and financial negotiations have continued amid obstacles related to congressional reviews and sensitive export laws, especially with regard to maintaining Israel's qualitative superiority (QME) in the region, which makes any deal of this size hostage to a precise equation between politics and military deterrence.

Cairo rearranges its cards

Negotiations with Washington came after the collapse of a previous Egyptian deal to obtain Russian Sukhoi Su-35 fighters, which collided with the sanctions of the US Katsa law and the challenges of compatibility with Western regimes. With the cancellation of that deal, Cairo moved towards searching for an alternative that would ensure the continuation of its plans to modernize its air force and enhance long-range deterrence capabilities.

Today, Egypt seeks to possess an advanced version of the F-15 fighters, similar to the models used in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, giving it a broader operational capability that includes air control and long-range attack missions. The deal is valued at several billion dollars and includes training, maintenance, and long-term logistical support.

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F-15 Advanced Eagle: Egyptian Air Force Towards a New Generation​

The F-15 Advanced Eagle fighters represent the pinnacle of development in the famous F-15 family, which has proven its efficiency since the 1970s. It is equipped with a modern AESA radar capable of tracking multiple targets simultaneously, an integrated EPAWSS electronic warfare system, and a fully digital control system that gives the pilot superior response in air combat.

The aircraft relies on a powerful design and reinforced wings capable of carrying more than 13 tons of ammunition, and its speed reaches Mach 2.5 with a combat range exceeding 1,200 kilometers, making it one of the most dangerous multi-mission fighters in the world.
Perhaps the most important feature of this model is its ability to carry out precise long-range strikes while maintaining continuous air superiority, a feature that Cairo needs to protect its vast borders and secure navigation in the Red Sea and the Suez Canal.

Israel… Between caution and implicit support

Despite the sensitivity of any huge arms deal to Egypt, reports indicate that Tel Aviv did not object to the American project, but rather saw it as a means to strengthen relations between Cairo and Washington within a framework that guarantees regional balance. However, restrictions are expected to be imposed on the Egyptian version, particularly with regard to advanced radar systems or AIM-120D long-range missiles, in compliance with US law to protect Israeli military superiority.

Logistical Challenges and Operational Integration

Bringing a new fighter of this size into service is no simple matter. The Egyptian Air Force will need to establish an integrated infrastructure that includes training and simulation centers, advanced maintenance facilities, in addition to rehabilitating pilots and engineers to deal with advanced digital systems.

But experts believe that the strategic benefit is worth the effort, as these aircraft will give Egypt an unprecedented ability to quickly deploy and carry out deterrence operations in its regional surroundings, from North Africa to the Red Sea and the Eastern Mediterranean.

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Between politics and deterrence

The potential F-15 deal reflects more than just a military purchase; it is a dual political message. On the one hand, it confirms Cairo's desire to deepen the defense partnership with the United States and restore confidence after years of rapprochement with Moscow and Paris. On the other hand, it stands out as a step within the framework of a comprehensive modernization of the Egyptian combat structure to confront the challenges of terrorism and cross-border threats and secure international trade routes.

While discussions on armament and equipment continue, the basic equation remains: Will Washington accept providing Egypt with an integrated version of the advanced fighter, or will it choose a limited-capacity model that balances support with political reservations?

Potential F-15 Deal

The potential F-15 deal opens a new chapter in the history of the Egyptian Air Force, and may constitute a strategic turning point in Cairo's relationship with Washington. Possessing these fighters means that Egypt will enter the club of major air forces in the region with advanced offensive and defensive capabilities, but at the same time it puts it before a difficult political and logistical test.

In light of the rapid geopolitical changes, Cairo seems determined to build an air force capable of deterrence and control, ensuring its national security and maintaining its position as a regional power to be reckoned with.

Israel know much more about f15. I will dear Egypt, don't buy it.

 

[Ramses Akhenaten Ahmose]

“Restrictions are expected on Egyptian models”

So why the F would Egypt go for an eagle that’s only good by name when I’ve covered in another thread that Chinese tech is better dude. IDF knows all about the f15 so they would know its weaknesses, plus if America is even allowing us to have the eagles, that means Israel will have access to 6th gen aircraft possibly the next decade in the 2030s. It’ll be back to square one with no improvements, how about those amraams for the already existing falcons? No? So what’s the point for the f15s? The China tech option is a whole package deal of advanced fighter crafts, state of the art munitions that are ADVANCED, awacs capabilities and more. Never agree to this and push forward with j10s, some sources are already claiming Egypt signed the deal with China already.

 

[ST1976]

Israel know much more about f15. I will dear Egypt, don't buy it.

@Fatman17
@muhammed45

There is a difference between F15 and F16. That is, the F15 is the "Crown" of the US, and traditionally it was only Saudi's for West in Arab region

But now Egypt? While They were already F16s?

Now, we find the Egypt might now be successful to handle Islamic relations of Africa, and hence they now qualify for "F15", the Crown of US

 

[sphinxpasha]

As usual Pakistanis are peddling Chinse snake oil everywhere. Egyptians know what is good for them, they are far more educated and capable than Pakistan which has become a beggar state exporting beggars everywhere. Egypt has a longstanding tradition of top-class engineering and scientific talent that is unmatched in the Arab world and beyond.

 

[Khanivore]

As usual Pakistanis are peddling Chinse snake oil everywhere. Egyptians know what is good for them, they are far more educated and capable than Pakistan which has become a beggar state exporting beggars everywhere. Egypt has a longstanding tradition of top-class engineering and scientific talent that is unmatched in the Arab world and beyond.

Pushing it a bit, aren't you? You want to watch what you type here on this forum. It's a Pakistani forum.

@The SC

 

[Ali_Baba]

As usual Pakistanis are peddling Chinse snake oil everywhere. Egyptians know what is good for them, they are far more educated and capable than Pakistan which has become a beggar state exporting beggars everywhere. Egypt has a longstanding tradition of top-class engineering and scientific talent that is unmatched in the Arab world and beyond.

Whatever you say Rakesh ...