Ex-Japan minister faults India for Modi bullet train delay

Yep. Japan is evil and working together with Pakistan’s ISI.
No-one is evil in business trying to extract maximum from the other party. Neither Japan, nor India
To speak plainly, even a steadfast ally like Japan is discovering the hard way that the reality of India does not match its own rhetoric.
Trump has already called Modi one of the toughest negotiator.
Japan finding it out is nothing in front of ongoing Ind - US trade deal. India won't pay for overpriced proprietary stuff.
 
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No-one is evil in business trying to extract maximum from the other party. Neither Japan, nor India

Trump has already called Modi one of the toughest negotiator.
Japan finding it out is nothing in front of ongoing Ind - US trade deal. India won't pay for overpriced proprietary stuff.

This is an Indian trait. I have seen your people arguing over the price of onions at a grocery store.
 
Global investors all learned the lesson by now
50cent doesn't know what "net" means... sad.
 
The Japanese are some of the most polite and patient people in the world. This was inevitible...
 
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Indonesia and India atm trying to scam each other in development of critical minerals and defence except neither have the technology and both out to screw each other
Lol, both are Indo, both try on Chinese companies there, not surprising.
 
Imagine if Japan has to openly put a country in its place. I mean Japan out of all nations...
They recently released a joint statement with India to "put a certain country in its place" by the way :)
Considering how much time India needs to build a new aircraft or a navy ship, this could be like lightning speed in their mind.
For a first HSR project with the world's longest continuous viaduct, involving undersea tunnels and indigenous bullet train rolling stock, all in 6-7 years, yeah it's great.
 
China Net FDI is negative from atleast four years now, I am sure investors learned way lot more lessons in China than in India!


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You have absolutely no understanding of financial concepts.
Take a look at ChatGPT's response.


1. The indicator in the chart: Net FDI (FDI assets minus FDI liabilities)​

The chart shows:

  • Green area: Inbound FDI — foreign investment flowing into China

  • Orange area: Outbound FDI — Chinese companies investing overseas

  • Blue line: Net FDI — the difference between the two
The calculation is roughly:
Foreign direct investment into China − Chinese direct investment abroad
If Chinese companies invest more abroad than foreign companies invest in China, the net figure becomes negative.
For example:

  • Foreign investment into China: US$100 billion

  • Chinese overseas direct investment: US$120 billion
Then:
Net FDI = -US$20 billion
This does not mean foreign investors withdrew US$120 billion from China. It only means that China’s outward investment exceeded inward investment.

2. SAFE’s “direct investment inflow” data measures something different​

When SAFE publishes China’s balance-of-payments statistics, the item often discussed is:
Direct investment liabilities
This represents:
Foreign investors’ investment in China
It includes:

  • Foreign companies establishing factories in China

  • Capital increases by foreign-invested enterprises

  • Reinvestment of profits in China
If this number is positive, it means:
Foreign capital is still flowing into China.
SAFE’s data in recent years has continued to show positive direct investment liabilities, meaning China still receives foreign direct investment inflows, although the amount has declined.

3. Why does the chart show a large negative net FDI after 2022?​

Several factors contributed:

1) Chinese companies increased overseas investment​

Chinese firms have expanded overseas in areas such as:

  • Manufacturing

  • New energy industries

  • Electric vehicles

  • Batteries

  • Mining and resources

2) New foreign investment into China slowed​

Foreign companies have become more cautious due to:

  • Global interest rate increases

  • Geopolitical uncertainty

  • Supply-chain diversification

3) Foreign companies repatriated some profits​

Even if foreign companies remain in China, they may transfer profits back to their home countries.
Together, these factors can make:
Outbound Chinese investment > New inbound foreign investment
which pushes the net FDI figure into negative territory.

4. Another commonly confused figure: “Actual utilized foreign investment”​

China’s Ministry of Commerce often publishes:
Actual utilized foreign direct investment
This measures newly received foreign investment projects.
It is different from the balance-of-payments FDI data.
For example:

  • A foreign company invested US$1 billion in a Chinese factory five years ago.

  • This year it does not make a new investment.

  • But the factory continues operating and generating profits in China.
The Ministry of Commerce figure may show a decline because there is less new investment.
However, the balance-of-payments data may still show foreign companies maintaining assets and operations in China.

5. Is the chart wrong?​

If the chart is titled:
“China: FDI flows, trailing 4 quarters”
and uses international balance-of-payments data, then it is likely showing:
China’s net position as a global investor
In that sense, the chart is broadly correct.
However, if someone interprets it as:
“Foreign investors have been withdrawing from China for several consecutive years”
that interpretation is incorrect.
The chart does not prove that foreign capital has left China on a large scale.

Summary table​

IndicatorMeaningRecent trend
Foreign investment into China (FDI liabilities)Foreign companies investing in ChinaStill positive, but declining
Chinese overseas direct investment (FDI assets)Chinese companies investing abroadIncreasing
Net FDI (difference between the two)Net capital flow positionTurned negative in recent years
Actual utilized foreign investmentNew foreign investment projectsDeclined significantly
The key point is:
The chart shows that China has become a larger exporter of capital, not necessarily that foreign investors have completely abandoned China. The apparent contradiction comes from confusing “net FDI balance” with “foreign investment inflows into China.”
 
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chatgpt:
Although both China and India may experience a decline in net FDI, the reasons are not the same.

1. India’s situation: mainly a decline in foreign inflows, not an increase in outward investment
India’s net FDI is calculated in a similar way:

Foreign direct investment flowing into India − Indian direct investment abroad

India’s problem is that:

Foreign investment inflows have slowed;
Indian companies’ overseas investment remains relatively limited.
Therefore, when India’s net FDI declines, the main reason is usually:

A reduction in foreign capital entering India

rather than:

Large-scale capital outflows by Indian companies.

For example:

Previously:

Foreign investment into India: US$80 billion
Indian overseas investment: US$10 billion
Net FDI:

+US$70 billion

Later:

Foreign investment into India: US$50 billion
Indian overseas investment: US$10 billion
Net FDI:

+US$40 billion

The decline is mainly caused by lower foreign investment inflows.

2. China’s situation: two-way changes are happening simultaneously
China’s case is different.

For many years, China has been one of the world’s largest recipients of FDI, but it has also become an increasingly important exporter of capital.

For example:

Previously:

Foreign investment into China: US$200 billion
Chinese overseas investment: US$50 billion
Net FDI:

+US$150 billion

Later:

Foreign investment into China: US$100 billion
Chinese overseas investment: US$150 billion
Net FDI:

−US$50 billion

In this situation, a negative net FDI figure does not mean that foreign investors have completely withdrawn from China. It means:

China’s outward investment has grown faster than foreign investment inflows.

3. Why is India’s overseas investment relatively small?
This is related to the different structures of the two economies.

China:
China has many:

Globally competitive manufacturing companies;
Large state-owned enterprises;
Energy and mining investment companies;
Infrastructure companies.
Therefore, Chinese companies have made large overseas investments in areas such as:

Mines;
Energy projects;
Factories;
Ports;
Industrial supply chains.
China has already become one of the world’s major sources of outbound capital.

India:
Indian companies also invest abroad, such as:

Tata Group;
Reliance Industries;
Information technology companies.
However, the overall scale is much smaller than China’s.

Reasons include:

Fewer globally competitive manufacturing exporters;
Lower degree of corporate internationalization;
Greater preference for investing in India’s large domestic market;
Fewer large-scale overseas acquisitions.
Therefore, changes in India’s FDI figures are more likely to reflect:

Whether foreign investors are increasing or reducing their investment in India.

4. Therefore, the same decline in FDI can have different meanings
Country Main reason for declining net FDI What it indicates
China Lower foreign inflows + rising Chinese overseas investment A transition from a capital-importing country toward a capital-exporting country
India Mainly slower foreign investment inflows Changes in India’s ability to attract foreign capital
5. However, India’s situation should not simply be interpreted as “foreign investors leaving India”
India’s FDI has also been affected by global factors, such as:

Higher global interest rates;
Slower global investment cycles;
A downturn in technology-sector investment.
At the same time, India continues to attract foreign investment in sectors such as:

Electronics manufacturing;
Semiconductors;
Automobiles;
Software services;
Renewable energy.

 
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chatgpt:
If we compare the scale of overseas direct investment (Outward FDI / ODI) by Chinese and Indian companies around 2025, the difference is very large. China’s overseas investment was roughly ten times or more than India’s.
Approximate situation:
CountryOverseas direct investment in 2025 (approx.)Explanation
🇨🇳 ChinaAround US$170–180 billionChina remains one of the world’s largest sources of outbound investment, including manufacturing, energy, infrastructure, and overseas projects.
🇮🇳 IndiaAround US$10–20 billion (depending on statistical method)Mainly driven by large corporations’ overseas acquisitions, foreign subsidiaries, and expansion projects.
Therefore:

  • If China’s overseas investment is around US$174 billion;

  • And India’s is around US$15 billion;
then:
Chinese companies’ overseas investment is roughly 10–12 times larger than Indian companies’ overseas investment.
Even using a higher estimate for India, China’s overseas investment is still generally many times larger.

Why is the difference so large?​

This is exactly the key point when analyzing net FDI.

China:​

Over the past several decades, China has developed many companies with strong global investment capabilities:

  • Energy companies;

  • Mining companies;

  • Infrastructure companies;

  • Telecommunications companies;

  • Automobile manufacturers;

  • Renewable energy companies;

  • Advanced manufacturing firms.
These companies invest overseas through:

  • Foreign factories;

  • Battery plants;

  • Automobile production bases;

  • Ports;

  • Mines;

  • Energy projects;

  • Industrial supply chains.
Therefore, China is no longer only a recipient of foreign capital. It has also become a major exporter of capital.

India:​

India also has overseas investors, such as:

  • Tata Group;

  • Reliance Industries;

  • Infosys;

  • Pharmaceutical companies.
However, the overall scale remains much smaller.
Reasons include:

  1. Fewer globally competitive manufacturing companies compared with China;

  2. A smaller number of large industrial groups with global operations;

  3. Indian companies often prefer investing in India’s huge domestic market;

  4. Less-developed overseas manufacturing and supply-chain networks.

This also explains why declining net FDI has different meanings in China and India​

China:​

Example:
Foreign investment inflow:
US$100 billion
Chinese overseas investment:
US$170 billion
Net FDI:
−US$70 billion
This does not necessarily mean:
Foreign investors have completely left China.
It may instead mean:
Chinese companies are investing abroad faster than foreign companies are investing in China.

India:​

Example:
Foreign investment inflow:
US$70 billion
Indian overseas investment:
US$10 billion
Net FDI:
+US$60 billion
If it later falls to:
Foreign investment inflow:
US$50 billion
Indian overseas investment:
US$10 billion
Net FDI:
+US$40 billion
The decline mainly reflects:
A reduction in foreign capital entering India.

Therefore, when comparing China and India’s FDI, an important distinction is:
China has increasingly become both a capital-importing country and a capital-exporting country, while India is still primarily a capital-importing country.
This is why the same phenomenon — a decline in net FDI — can have very different economic meanings in the two countries.
 
chatgpt:
If we compare the scale of overseas direct investment (Outward FDI / ODI) by Chinese and Indian companies around 2025, the difference is very large. China’s overseas investment was roughly ten times or more than India’s.
Approximate situation:
CountryOverseas direct investment in 2025 (approx.)Explanation
🇨🇳 ChinaAround US$170–180 billionChina remains one of the world’s largest sources of outbound investment, including manufacturing, energy, infrastructure, and overseas projects.
🇮🇳 IndiaAround US$10–20 billion (depending on statistical method)Mainly driven by large corporations’ overseas acquisitions, foreign subsidiaries, and expansion projects.
Therefore:

  • If China’s overseas investment is around US$174 billion;

  • And India’s is around US$15 billion;
then:

Even using a higher estimate for India, China’s overseas investment is still generally many times larger.

Why is the difference so large?​

This is exactly the key point when analyzing net FDI.

China:​

Over the past several decades, China has developed many companies with strong global investment capabilities:

  • Energy companies;

  • Mining companies;

  • Infrastructure companies;

  • Telecommunications companies;

  • Automobile manufacturers;

  • Renewable energy companies;

  • Advanced manufacturing firms.
These companies invest overseas through:

  • Foreign factories;

  • Battery plants;

  • Automobile production bases;

  • Ports;

  • Mines;

  • Energy projects;

  • Industrial supply chains.
Therefore, China is no longer only a recipient of foreign capital. It has also become a major exporter of capital.

India:​

India also has overseas investors, such as:

  • Tata Group;

  • Reliance Industries;

  • Infosys;

  • Pharmaceutical companies.
However, the overall scale remains much smaller.
Reasons include:

  1. Fewer globally competitive manufacturing companies compared with China;

  2. A smaller number of large industrial groups with global operations;

  3. Indian companies often prefer investing in India’s huge domestic market;

  4. Less-developed overseas manufacturing and supply-chain networks.

This also explains why declining net FDI has different meanings in China and India​

China:​

Example:
Foreign investment inflow:
US$100 billion
Chinese overseas investment:
US$170 billion
Net FDI:
−US$70 billion
This does not necessarily mean:

It may instead mean:


India:​

Example:
Foreign investment inflow:
US$70 billion
Indian overseas investment:
US$10 billion
Net FDI:
+US$60 billion
If it later falls to:
Foreign investment inflow:
US$50 billion
Indian overseas investment:
US$10 billion
Net FDI:
+US$40 billion
The decline mainly reflects:


Therefore, when comparing China and India’s FDI, an important distinction is:

This is why the same phenomenon — a decline in net FDI — can have very different economic meanings in the two countries.
Who cares so much about whether Indian net FDI is decreasing or increasing, as long as they are happy with it.
 

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