FATAH-III: An Engineering Assessment of the Publicly Available Evidence

[Cipher212]

Obviously, all Fatah series are already operationalized, when you buy some thing off the shelf, you test the missile once or twice and then induct it into your armed forces.

There after there are just training launches from time to time to with the missile stock that is about to expire.

There are no years of developmental trials involved in off the shelf purchases.

You Indians need to stop worrying about whether Pakistan made a system or bought it off the shelf. This is not some sort of videogame where you get extra points if a weapon is homemade. You guys have a habit of pointing out like it means something.

For example, J-10 was an off the shelf purchase, did it stop Rafale, M2k, MiG-29, Su-30 from getting shot down? No of course not. For Pakistan, any chinese weapon is as good as a local one because there is no issue of supply. If all of the Fatah missiles are just reskinned chinese ones with minor localisation/modification then its just as good for us. We don't have any urge for 'atmanir bharat'

 

[hasssanali8998]

How many development trial launches did Brahmos have then you can compare that with any missile from Fatah series.

Not how it works retard number of Launches don’t determine if it’s indigenous or not

I dare u to find a system that looks and has the same specs as f1 and 2
Like just tell me what system did we import as f2 and f3
They dont even exist because only we make them
But I can tell u a missile that looks and has the same specs as brahmos

This is such a stupid argument , it’s clear u have no idea about this stuff
Give it up unc before u embarrass yourself even more

 

[avx._4884]

How many development trial launches did Brahmos have then you can compare that with any missile from Fatah series.

Thanks for proving my point. Brahmos needed 30+ trails over a decade because u can't just slap a Russian P800 on a truck and call it a day

Fatah 1 & 2 are 100% indigenous rocket systems build from scratch by NESCOM with Pakistan's on propellants, custom guidance and Flat trajectory softwares they went through years of documented development flights


First you claimed imports only need one or two test to induct now you are flexing that brahmos had decades of trials

pick a struggle

 

[puttputt]

Then who wrote this and who posted?

I don't know.

But re: Quwa. Just open the Quwa link and judge for yourself; what @Quwa had written was clearly shorter.

The thread OP used Quwa's piece as part of their analysis and linked back to it as a reference.

 

[Jaeger]

Thanks for proving my point. Brahmos needed 30+ trails over a decade because u can't just slap a Russian P800 on a truck and call it a day

Fatah 1 & 2 are 100% indigenous rocket systems build from scratch by NESCOM with Pakistan's on propellants, custom guidance and Flat trajectory softwares they went through years of documented development flights


First you claimed imports only need one or two test to induct now you are flexing that brahmos had decades of trials

pick a struggle

I will spell it out again..so that you are not confused.

When one is developing a new missile, it needs a series of developmental launches to verify the functioning of different components of the missile.

These test launches are done by organization developing the missile and not the armed forces.

When one buys a missile off the shelf from another country, then just 1-2 the end user training launches are done , that too mostly by armed forces of that country.

As developmental trials have already been completed by the country which developed the missile.

This is a standard practice followed every where in the world.

So you can compare how many developmental trial lauches were conducted for Brahmos, over what period of time and by which organization and then compare that too the number off trial launches done for any of the Fateh series of missiles, before they were inducted into your armed forces.

This will give you a fairly accurate idea on which missile was bought of the shelf and inducted into the armed forces and which missile was developed, even if partly.

This is basic science which can not be denied.

 

[avx._4884]

I will spell it out again..so that you are not confused.

When one is developing a new missile, it needs a series of developmental launches to verify the functioning of different components of the missile.

These test launches are done by organization developing the missile and not the armed forces.

When one buys a missile off the shelf from another country, then just 1-2 the end user training launches are done , that too mostly by armed forces of that country.

As developmental trials have already been completed by the country which developed the missile.

This is a standard practice followed every where in the world.

So you can compare how many developmental trial lauches were conducted for Brahmos, over what period of time and by which organization and then compare that too the number off trial launches done for any of the Fateh series of missiles, before they were inducted into your armed forces.

This will give you a fairly accurate idea on which missile was bought of the shelf and inducted into the armed forces and which missile was developed, even if partly.

This is basic science which can not be denied.

Basic science has nothing to do with it

this is an evidence problem, you are treating the absence of publicly announced development trials as proof they never happened

that's an argument from ignorance not evidence, if you are claiming fatah was brought of the shelf then burden is on you to produce evidence of that not assume it because you didn't see every test

 

[Jaeger]

Basic science has nothing to do with it

this is an evidence problem, you are treating the absence of publicly announced development trials as proof they never happened

that's an argument from ignorance not evidence, if you are claiming fatah was brought of the shelf then burden is on you to produce evidence of that not assume it because you didn't see every test

Lol...you are grasping at straws now.

Weather there is public declaration development trial or not.

There always has to be NOTAM( notice to air men) for a missile launch.

With the social media these days, it is not possible to publish a NOTAM and not get re tweeted thousands of time with in minutes.

Though in some countries Non declaration of a successful missile test after a NOTAM usually associated with its failure.

 

[Jaeger]

Not how it works retard number of Launches don’t determine if it’s indigenous or not

I dare u to find a system that looks and has the same specs as f1 and 2
Like just tell me what system did we import as f2 and f3
They dont even exist because only we make them
But I can tell u a missile that looks and has the same specs as brahmos

This is such a stupid argument , it’s clear u have no idea about this stuff
Give it up unc before u embarrass yourself even more

Fatah 2 is Chinese SY 400

 

[Dalit]

Fateh 2 is Chinese SY 400

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This stupid Indian is destroying every single topic. His bum is always on fire with anything related to Pakistan. He cannot even spell the name of the missile and is here lecture us about its origin.

 

[Jaeger]

This stupid Indian is destroying every single topic. His bum is always on fire with anything related to Pakistan. He cannot even spell the name of missile and is here lecture us about its origin.

I am just stating facts, it is just you, who is not able digest or counter them.

P.S. there is a function on the phone called auto correct.

 

[Dalit]

I am just stating facts, it is you just you who is not able digest them.

P.S. there is a function on the phone called auto correct.

There he is again. Continues to argue at every single moment. Dude, get laid or something.