France confirms India’s interest in Rafale F5, potential first export customer

hussain0216 said:
You need to stop thinking of it as a plane Vs plane situation

And more as a system Vs system

JF17s with AESA radars, backed by ground radars, AWACs, linked all together and a long range BVR will rip the Su-30 with it's massive RCS a new ass hole

The SU-30 will do well to stay far away
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hussain0216 said:
You need to stop thinking of it as a plane Vs plane situation

And more as a system Vs system

JF17s with AESA radars, backed by ground radars, AWACs, linked all together and a long range BVR will rip the Su-30 with it's massive RCS a new ass hole

The SU-30 will do well to stay far away
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There is only 30 Aesa equipped JF17 v 265 Pesa equipped Su30mki

The rest of The Jf17 fleet is old block one and two with weak radar and limited SD10 radar.

For the record the Su30mki are having Astra induction which is 160km range bvr now so engagement envelope is bigger

You mentioned Su30mki staying away

I believe the PAF are so paranoid about S400 umbrella your AWACS and thunders won't fly close to to Line of control to engage anyway
This is why to actually threaten Indian assets you trying to induct

One a rocket force cause your Airforce locks the range and quality of fighters that can fight in a contested air space

Your doctrine is purely defensive or stay in Pak airspace and have your j10c and limited aesa equipped thunders backed by AWACS engage ingress Indian fighters

Judging by Indian equipment orders and modernisation plans that is not happening they won't enter that zone

Brahmos next gen
Lora
Scalp
Are 500km range cruise missles

Bvrs are hyper sonics in future
Astra 2-Indian
SFDR Indian
Meteore french
Sky flash Israel
R37 Russian

Again 200km away

Both sides will adapt lessons from previous engagement

India has far more options and multiple times the resources to change doctrine and engage from further away
 
harpy1 said:
There is only 30 Aesa equipped JF17 v 265 Pesa equipped Su30mki

The rest of The Jf17 fleet is old block one and two with weak radar and limited SD10 radar.

For the record the Su30mki are having Astra induction which is 160km range bvr now so engagement envelope is bigger

You mentioned Su30mki staying away

I believe the PAF are so paranoid about S400 umbrella your AWACS and thunders won't fly close to to Line of control to engage anyway
This is why to actually threaten Indian assets you trying to induct

One a rocket force cause your Airforce locks the range and quality of fighters that can fight in a contested air space

Your doctrine is purely defensive or stay in Pak airspace and have your j10c and limited aesa equipped thunders backed by AWACS engage ingress Indian fighters

Judging by Indian equipment orders and modernisation plans that is not happening they won't enter that zone

Brahmos next gen
Lora
Scalp
Are 500km range cruise missles

Bvrs are hyper sonics in future
Astra 2-Indian
SFDR Indian
Meteore french
Sky flash Israel
R37 Russian

Again 200km away

Both sides will adapt lessons from previous engagement

India has far more options and multiple times the resources to change doctrine and engage from further away
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Oh herpy , you want pak AWACS to fly over S 400 batteries to prove their worth.
 


No country in the world spends 45/50 billion. On Rafales and even sets up production plants and maintenance hubs if the losses claimed were even half truth

Not only is India betting on french technology and making humongous investment so are other countries like

Indonesia
Ukraine
Qatar
UAE

And many many more ...

India had choices if could have ordered
Su57
Typhoon
Gripen Ng

It chose Rafale ...They believe it's the best option for both Navy and Airforce
 
BonPlan said:
2015 ? why 2015?
Su30mki is a beast but it don't have the medium range missile needed according to its huge RCS (detected too early, weapon too short).
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R77 is equally as good as AIM120 C5. Just range does not makes the missile better.
IAF always had technological edge over PAF but its their training and tactics that always let down.
@harpy1
Im referring to IAF training and tactics that is inferior to PAF. thanks for the thumbs up 👍
 
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Just prepare yourselves it's not just Rafales fighters all three of marine Rafales F4 and F5

Its new generation fifth generation fighter engines developed by France with India for India exclusively

Then neuron drones for loyal wingmen to bring in stealth strike capability

Finally I believe future entry to the sixth generation french system.of Fcas

Where sixth generation fighters fight with Rafales F5s avd Nueron wingmen in fully integrated system

The Europeans are very wealthy and technical highly advanced especially France
 
harpy1 said:
Just prepare yourselves it's not just Rafales fighters all three of marine Rafales F4 and F5

Its new generation fifth generation fighter engines developed by France with India for India exclusively

Then neuron drones for loyal wingmen to bring in stealth strike capability

Finally I believe future entry to the sixth generation french system.of Fcas

Where sixth generation fighters fight with Rafales F5s avd Nueron wingmen in fully integrated system

The Europeans are very wealthy and technical highly advanced especially France
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its amazing, FCAS is already a mess due to the bureaucracy, and you think india will be beneficial to this?

more like india will be the nail in the coffin for fcas.
 
Ak01 said:
its amazing, FCAS is already a mess due to the bureaucracy, and you think india will be beneficial to this?

more like india will be the nail in the coffin for fcas.
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And even if FCAS did become a reality, they would hand over technology to India
 
Yasser76 said:
For someone who claims to "work at Dassault" you have a lack of knowledge.

The radar and missiles of JF-17C and SU-30MKI are at least 3 decades apart. I know you will desperately defend anything Indian, but dont make yourself look even more obviously Indian Rakesh....
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Yasser76 said:
For someone who claims to "work at Dassault" you have a lack of knowledge.

The radar and missiles of JF-17C and SU-30MKI are at least 3 decades apart. I know you will desperately defend anything Indian, but dont make yourself look even more obviously Indian Rakesh....
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My old dear Stud, you are confusing decade and generation....
 
flyingorca said:
R77 is equally as good as AIM120 C5. Just range does not makes the missile better.
IAF always had technological edge over PAF but its their training and tactics that always let down.
@harpy1
Im referring to IAF training and tactics that is inferior to PAF. thanks for the thumbs up 👍
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No. R77 NEZ is shorter.
technological edge? even during Kargil ?
 
BonPlan said:
My old dear Stud, you are confusing decade and generation....
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Nope, read again, 3 decades and 2 generations. Rather then focus on that why not tell us how the SU-30MKI avionics and weapons fit is only a generation behind JF-17C in your (admittedly biased) opinion?

As usual, you try and look clever and end up failing.
 
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