Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[LeGenD]

Wait what?

Do you really think this war has been free for Israel? They lost a whole generation of manpower and IDF has public manpower crisis plus Hamas-PIJ shown resolve.

As for Gaza it´s destruction is for the better as they can rebuild better infras and plus they are battle hardened. This will teach the Gazans how wars are fought and about politics this was good lesson and as well good scrap for Hamas and PIJ to learn about conventional conflicts this was like life practice for them.

As for militarily Gazans aren´t going anywhere that is a ground reality besides it has cost Israel´s economy.

Hence whether Netanyahu is cold or warm this has not been a free war for them.

Put Pakistan in Israel´s shoes what if Pakistan armed forces was decimated in a close quarter combat where Pakistan losses so much manpower they have to recruit women? Imagine being pushed to that level you really think that is a victory for Pakistan?

The IDF lost over 2000 troops in the Yom Kippur War but gained ground in Egypt and Syria. Egypt recovered its lands from Israel through negotiations with offer of recognition on the table. Syria did not offer to recognize Israel so it could not recover its lands from Israel.

The IDF have lost hundreds of troops in the ongoing war but this toll is not large enough to cripple it. Hamas and Hezbollah have also suffered heavy losses in the onging war. Hezbollah capitulated while Hamas is left to fend for itself and seeking lasting ceasefire with Israel with support of mediators.

Hamas says ceasefire proposal offers ‘no guarantees’ for end to Gaza war

Under the deal, 10 living captives will be freed, 18 bodies returned in exchange for a number of Palestinian prisoners.

www.aljazeera.com

Why Hamas is seeking to change the US-proposed Gaza ceasefire deal

Hamas claims the response was positive but with added provisions. Still, they've drawn criticism from the US and Israel.

www.aljazeera.com

Exclusive: Hamas accepts Witkoff truce outline with amendments aimed at ending war

Palestinian group submits revised version of US-backed ceasefire plan, seeking changes to Israeli withdrawal terms and prisoner exchange framework

www.middleeasteye.net

Losses of the IDF are not a sticking point in Israeli politics but Netanyahu's politics.

- Who is prolonging war in Gaza? Hamas or Netanyahu?
- Why Netayanhu chose to walk out from internationally-brokered deal with Hamas?
- The ongoing war in Gaza makes sense tactically and strategically?

Hamas is willing to release all captives in exhange for release of its captives in Israel and consider lasting ceasefire with Israel. Some in Israel blame Netanyahu for being unreasonable and prolonging war instead of working to recover all captives.

I understand what you are saying. I am fully aware of the fact that Hamas put up a fight in war but jingoistic claims do not change reality on the ground:

Israel has turned 70% of Gaza into no-go zones, in maps

Since Israel broke the ceasefire, it has declared most of Gaza as no-go or displacement zones.

www.aljazeera.com

Israel is the stronger side and have options in war. The IDF is strong enough to handle regional power(s) let alone Gaza in war. But Netanyahu is prolonging war (and suffering of people) in Gaza for political gains.

The level of destruction in Gaza is such that it will take over a decade to rebuild it with international support and funding in billions of USD is required to do the needful. This is assuming that the region will not experience another war. There is also a limit to how much abuse a population base can take in war. Those who live in Gaza are not supernatural beings but human beings having families and emotions. Al Jazeera have posted many stories that shed light on suffering of people in Gaza.

Much of the world is against annexation of Gaza by force. Even the US does not support said move officially. If Netayanhu was given free hand to have his way with Gaza, he would have done away with it long ago.

Those who are being oppressed can choose to fight, and I understand why Hamas chose to fight. But Allah Almighty allow believers to escape oppression if it becomes unbearable. The international community needs to push for a lasting solution in the region. Otherwise, those who can relocate should do so.

 

[Abdul q]

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Can anyone verify this??

 

[FuturePAF]

Trump knows that this war will consume his presidency the way Iraq consumed GW bush’s second term.

Trump tells Netanyahu to end Gaza war and stop Iran threats, source says, as US ramps up pressure on Israel | CNN

US President Donald Trump told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to end the war in Gaza and stop talk of an attack on Iran, according to a source familiar with the conversation.

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[Falcon29]

They are calling the ISIS Abu Shabab Israel terrorists 'GHF aid workers'. They're Israeli terrorists hording the aid and attacking, with the IDF ground forces, Palestinian Resistance forces.

They're literally strolling with the IDF and killing Palestinian soldiers, stealing aid and hording it, then extorting Palestinain civilians to collaborate with the IDF to receive any food.

 

[Falcon29]

Trump knows that this war will consume his presidency the way Iraq consumed GW bush’s second term.

Trump tells Netanyahu to end Gaza war and stop Iran threats, source says, as US ramps up pressure on Israel | CNN

US President Donald Trump told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to end the war in Gaza and stop talk of an attack on Iran, according to a source familiar with the conversation.

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They are lying. This is meant to exhaust people mentally. We need immediate action for Gaza, ideally of military nature.

 

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[The SC]

They set out to #Tunisia to catch the convoy in #Libya .. Mauritanian activists participate in the convoy of steadfastness to break the siege of Gaza

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[Falcon29]

Jewish ISIS collaborator trash got smoked today. These terrorists of the Abu Shabab militia collaborate with Israel to extort Gaza civilians and shoot and murder them when they go to their so called 'aid distribution' sites.

الله ينصر دينك يا حماس

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[LeGenD]

WTF BRO?


@LeGenD, no Hamas wouldn't have contributed to the ending of suffering anyway. There is a place where Hamas doesn't exist. It's called the West Bank. Every year over 1000s Palestinians die in the West Bank due to settler violence and they're incased in 8 meter apartheid walls.
They can't leave unless they do low paid labour inside of Israel. Palestinians literally tried everything from peaceful protests like the Gaza protests in 2018 to armed resistance. What more do you wish for them to do because when they peacefully protested in 2018, your Zionist settler state gunned them with machine guns. When the Palestinians authorities tried getting something through peaceful talks and diplomacy during the Oslo accords, Israel ended the whole deal by implementing even more settler rules in the West Bank with virtually all Palestinian politics being directly controlled by Israel.


Coming back To Gaza. it's even hard to imagine how a city like Gaza surrounded from every corner, being monitored 24/7 from sea, ground and sky with barley 30-40k man with some homemade weapons are standing against one of the most developed army in the world supported by strongest countries in the world, being bombed nonstop for 18 months and they Mujahideen are still standing and fight, damn. Hizbollah kicked IDF out of Lebanon and yes they took loses. In the expulsion of IDF from Lebanon.

Bro, much of that was not my contention. I questioned statements about alleged struggles of the IDF in Gaza. Netanyahu is prolonging war in Gaza for political reasons, this is a well-documented observation that you can explore on Google. Relevant information here. There is a need to understand Israeli strength and options objectively because failure to do so have led to wars and encouraged Zionists to gobble Palestinian lands. Regional powers originally opposed existence of Israel but every regional power that chose to fight a war with Israel lost. Palestinians also did not accept any solution pitched to them from time to time. Take a look at following links:

A Short History of Palestinian Rejectionism

The consistent and enduring Palestinian rejection of any and all peace initiatives with Israel, most recently the “Deal of the Century,” calls into question the commitment of the Palestinian leade

besacenter.org

Palestinian Majority Rejects Two-State Solution, But Backs Tactical Compromises

In between the

www.washingtoninstitute.org

You are welcome to praise Hamas for putting up a fight but what is the endgame?

Twitter handle War Monitor was casting a misleading picture of developments in South Lebanon, Hezbollah could not defeat the IDF in South Lebanon and retreated from Syria due to decapitation strikes. The IDF continues to hold ground in South Lebanon but reduced its footprint there due to talks with the Lebanese central government because it seeks to expand its control in South Lebanon. The IDF continues to attack Hezbollah elements inside Lebanon.

 

[Watandar]

Bro, much of that was not my contention. I questioned statements about alleged struggles of the IDF in Gaza. Netanyahu is prolonging war in Gaza for political reasons, this is a well-documented observation that you can explore on Google. Relevant information here. There is a need to understand Israeli strength and options objectively because failure to do so have led to wars and encouraged Zionists to gobble Palestinian lands. Regional powers originally opposed existence of Israel but every regional power that chose to fight a war with Israel lost. Palestinians also did not accept any solution pitched to them from time to time. Take a look at following links:

A Short History of Palestinian Rejectionism

The consistent and enduring Palestinian rejection of any and all peace initiatives with Israel, most recently the “Deal of the Century,” calls into question the commitment of the Palestinian leade

besacenter.org

Palestinian Majority Rejects Two-State Solution, But Backs Tactical Compromises

In between the

www.washingtoninstitute.org

You are welcome to praise Hamas for putting up a fight but what is the endgame?

Twitter handle War Monitor was casting a misleading picture of developments in South Lebanon, Hezbollah could not defeat the IDF in South Lebanon and retreated from Syria due to decapitation strikes. The IDF continues to hold ground in South Lebanon but reduced its footprint there due to talks with the Lebanese central government because it seeks to expand its control in South Lebanon. The IDF continues to attack Hezbollah elements inside Lebanon.

The only objection I have to what you wrote is on "Palestinian rejectionism", which has been another Zionist propaganda point against them. "The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity" as a famous Israeli once mocked them.

The Palestinians have either been offered horrible deals (poison pills), or no deal at all. In 1948, the Palestinians were being asked to give up 50% of historical Palestine to Ashkenazi Jews, who were 30% of the population, owned only 10% of the land and had only arrived in the land 30 years before. If the Palestinians had accepted such an absurd "deal", it would still not have prevented the Nakba as the Zionist objective was a demographic majority Jewish state, in a land that was in 1919 95% Arab and Muslim.

Once Israel was formed, uptil the 1970's , the offical Israeli position was that there was no such thing as Palestinians. Even when the Palestinians accepted these horrible deals, such as the Oslo accords, where Palestinians agreed to only the Israeli promise of a future Palestinian state in only 23% of historical Palestine, they discovered once again that Israel had cheated them and only intended to offload the administrative burden of the Occupation to the Palestinians. You see this in the present Palestinian Authority which is subservient to Israel and is simply the prison administrator for Israel in the West Bank and formerly Gaza.

Myth: Palestinians sabotaged the “peace process” | Decolonize Palestine

The idea that Palestinians sabotaged the "peace process" by rejecting Israeli offers is propaganda designed to stop you from asking about the content of said offers.

decolonizepalestine.com

 

[LeGenD]

The only objection I have to what you wrote is on "Palestinian rejectionism", which has been another Zionist propaganda point against them. "The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity" as a famous Israeli once mocked them.

The Palestinians have either been offered horrible deals (poison pills), or no deal at all. In 1948, the Palestinians were being asked to give up 50% of historical Palestine to Ashkenazi Jews, who were 30% of the population, owned only 10% of the land and had only arrived in the land 30 years before. If the Palestinians had accepted such an absurd "deal", it would still not have prevented the Nakba as the Zionist objective was a demographic majority Jewish state, in a land that was in 1919 95% Arab and Muslim.

Once Israel was formed, uptil the 1970's , the offical Israeli position was that there was no such thing as Palestinians. Even when the Palestinians accepted these horrible deals, such as the Oslo accords, where Palestinians agreed to only the Israeli promise of a future Palestinian state in only 23% of historical Palestine, they discovered once again that Israel had cheated them and only intended to offload the administrative burden of the Occupation to the Palestinians. You see this in the present Palestinian Authority which is subservient to Israel and is simply the prison administrator for Israel in the West Bank and formerly Gaza.

Myth: Palestinians sabotaged the “peace process” | Decolonize Palestine

The idea that Palestinians sabotaged the "peace process" by rejecting Israeli offers is propaganda designed to stop you from asking about the content of said offers.

decolonizepalestine.com

The British partitioned Transjordan into Palestine and Jordan and handed over Palestine to the jews. This was the original solution but it was not accepted by our Muslim brothers in the region. The UN partitioned Palestine further and handed over a part of it to the jews. This solution was not accepted by our Muslim brothers in the region either and war broke out when a coalition of Arab forces invaded Israel in 1948.

https://www.un.org/unispal/about-the-nakba/

That move was a miscalculation that put the other half of the Palestine at a significant disadvantage. Zionists do not seem to accept a Palestinian state in current times, they will not accept Palestinian demands. This golden opportunity was missed in 1948 due to lack of foresight and correct evaluation of the Israeli strength and options. Now the best that can be done for the Palestinians is to prevent their expulsion from the region and granted the right to peaceful co-existence with jews under terms that Zionists will find acceptable as was the case in Oslo Accords. However, even this is in doubt because an Israeli PM lost his life due to Oslo Accords.

Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin - Wikipedia

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Now even Hamas is seeking lasting ceasefire through mediators because options are very limited and Gaza is in terrible situation.

Now Trump is the only leader who can help restore peace and push for the possibility of existence of the Palestinians with Jews without violence in a new deal. Perhaps a new deal can lead to restoration of Palestine but not in the way it was sought before 1948.

 

[FuturePAF]

They are lying. This is meant to exhaust people mentally. We need immediate action for Gaza, ideally of military nature.

It does appear that is what they are playing out; keep kicking the can down the road, and thinking the world will ignore Gaza. But under Trump, we have. The confessions from the Biden team and see what Trump is doing. They are exhausting their (and their vassals) political legitimacy on the matter.

 

[Developereo]

They are lying. This is meant to exhaust people mentally. We need immediate action for Gaza, ideally of military nature.

This is just drama by Trump so the GCC rulers who promised him trillions can tell their people 'oh look, we got Trump to pressure Netanyahu'.

Netanyahu knows he has the full support of the hardcore Zionists who control the US and Trump cannot disobey them.