German economy is collapsing

[kambhakt]

Wasn't all that long ago when everyone was fighting over toilet paper.

Not everyone. Just the brain dead from the USA and Australia. A few other countries saw 50% spike in sales.

 

[MH.Yang]

You mean those Gulf countries import lots foreign labors to work in their countries partly because people there are lazy. This model might be applicable to some EU countries like Germany and France. But, I don't think it's applicable to East Asian countries, Japanese and Koreans won't accept lots immigrant workers and China is going make wide use of humanoid robots to make up labor shortages instead of relying on foreign workers.

Robots are certainly the most likely solution to the population problem at present. But to be honest, I’m more concerned about the CCP using its technological capabilities to address the population issue.

For example, in vitro fertilization technology is already very mature, and artificial womb technology is nearing success. The CCP need only pass legislation requiring healthy freshmen at top-tier universities to submit their sperm and eggs, and they could obtain a sufficient number of high-IQ newborns. Then, the CCP would simply need to raise these newborns.

And even without using artificial womb technology, the CCP could outsource this work to international surrogacy agencies. From what I understand, surrogacy agencies in Eastern Europe can provide a set of twins for as little as $20,000. Through this outsourcing, the CCP could also consume a significant portion of its trade surplus, expanding the international market for Chinese goods. It could also create a large number of jobs in the education sector domestically.

To be honest, the CCP is a party that has no qualms about using family planning to control the population. So don’t assume it wouldn’t resort to another extreme policy to address population issues. Those who believe population problems will hold China back are bound to be in for a big surprise.

 

[kambhakt]

The better the economy, the more leftist the public opinion. The worse the economy, the more right-wing the public opinion becomes. This is an inevitable development of political trends. With the global economic downturn, countries' attitudes towards immigration will become increasingly conservative, and the employment model of Gulf countries will become the mainstream in the world.

Venezuela, Bolivia, Cuba, Brazil are all leftist.

 

[MH.Yang]

Venezuela, Bolivia, Cuba, Brazil are all leftist.

Obviously, the right wing you refer to is anti-socialist. The right wing I refer to is populism.

 

[kambhakt]

And even without using artificial womb technology, the CCP could outsource this work to international surrogacy agencies. From what I understand, surrogacy agencies in Eastern Europe can provide a set of twins for as little as $20,000. Through this outsourcing, the CCP could also consume a significant portion of its trade surplus, expanding the international market for Chinese goods. It could also create a large number of jobs in the education sector domestically.

China needs 4 million extra births to keep the population intact. So in 15 years time, it would be raising 60 million kids at tax payers expense.

 

[MH.Yang]

the indian bjp government is considered a right wing or far right, does this mean indian economy is a farce

When the economy is strong, people have stable incomes, and social security is robust, their mindset tends to be more “generous” and “tolerant.” People are willing to pay for “progressive values” such as environmental protection, equality, and immigration, and they support the government’s use of taxes for redistribution. This corresponds to “left-wing” economic preferences.



However, during an economic downturn (marked by unemployment and high inflation), people’s resources diminish and anxiety rises, leading them to prioritize “security and stability.” At this point, the “fairness” emphasized by the “left” may be viewed as a burden, and “openness” as a threat. Consequently, they shift their support toward “right-wing” policies that emphasize “order, tradition, and the protection of domestic jobs.”



When the economy is doing well, people tend to believe that “change is good” and are willing to try new ideas and systems (the left is more inclined toward reform). When the economy deteriorates, people long for “the good old days,” tend to look for “scapegoats” (such as immigrants or foreigners), and revert to traditional values (which is precisely the core narrative of the right).



During an economic recession, when the overall economy stops growing, people tend to view issues through a “zero-sum mindset”: what you gain is what I lose. Under these circumstances, the right-wing’s “ put our country first, restrict immigration, and protect trade” stance becomes highly appealing. Conversely, periods of prosperity foster a “non-zero-sum mindset”: your success can also benefit me, leading to a greater willingness to be open and inclusive.

 

[kambhakt]

Obviously, the right wing you refer to is anti-socialist. The right wing I refer to is populism.

Actually I did not refer to right wing. I referred to leftist.

Your statement was
"The better the economy, the more leftist the public opinion."

And what do you mean by leftist. Do the countries I mentioned qualify as leftist in your opinion.

 

[MH.Yang]

China needs 4 million extra births to keep the population intact. So in 15 years time, it would be raising 60 million kids at tax payers expense.

I asked AI, and if China wants to maintain a stable population of 1 billion, it needs to ensure the birth of 15 million newborns every year.

Currently, China only has 8 million newborns per year. The gap is 7 million.

I just said that the price for surrogacy in Eastern Europe is $20000 per pair of twins, which means 7 million babies require $70 billion.

Under the premise of receiving a complete education, it takes 195000 to 1.23 million RMB (25000 to 175000 US dollars) to raise a child to the age of 16 in various cities in China. We calculate $30000 per person.

This means that the Chinese government only needs to invest 280 billion US dollars annually to complete this plan.

And considering that this plan will create a large number of job opportunities and foreign markets, the Chinese government's revenue may also reach hundreds of billions of dollars.

 

[ety]

Robots are certainly the most likely solution to the population problem at present. But to be honest, I’m more concerned about the CCP using its technological capabilities to address the population issue.

For example, in vitro fertilization technology is already very mature, and artificial womb technology is nearing success. The CCP need only pass legislation requiring healthy freshmen at top-tier universities to submit their sperm and eggs, and they could obtain a sufficient number of high-IQ newborns. Then, the CCP would simply need to raise these newborns.

And even without using artificial womb technology, the CCP could outsource this work to international surrogacy agencies. From what I understand, surrogacy agencies in Eastern Europe can provide a set of twins for as little as $20,000. Through this outsourcing, the CCP could also consume a significant portion of its trade surplus, expanding the international market for Chinese goods. It could also create a large number of jobs in the education sector domestically.

To be honest, the CCP is a party that has no qualms about using family planning to control the population. So don’t assume it wouldn’t resort to another extreme policy to address population issues. Those who believe population problems will hold China back are bound to be in for a big surprise.

This is little extreme for the CCP. This method involves human life ethics. It sounds little bit similar to Nazi breeding program in the last century. China has already banned human baby cloning some years ago right.

 

[MH.Yang]

Actually I did not refer to right wing. I referred to leftist.

Your statement was
"The better the economy, the more leftist the public opinion."

And what do you mean by leftist. Do the countries I mentioned qualify as leftist in your opinion.

So let me ask you a question, do you think the Chavez government in Venezuela and the Per ó n government in Argentina belong to the left or the right?

 

[MH.Yang]

This is little extreme for the CCP. This method involves human life ethics. It sounds little bit similar to Nazi breeding program in the last century. China has already banned human baby cloning some years ago right.

That’s because the Chinese government still believes it can resolve its population issues through conventional means. But when the Chinese government finds itself in a desperate situation regarding population issues, as it did in the 1970s, just wait and see what it will do. I know our national culture all too well: the Chinese have never lacked the courage to break the rules when backed into a corner.


btw: IVF is not cloning, and China has never banned IVF. The Chinese government only prohibits domestic surrogacy, but foreign surrogacy is not illegal.

 

[Viet]

You mean those Gulf countries import lots foreign labors to work in their countries partly because people there are lazy. This model might be applicable to some EU countries like Germany and France. But, I don't think it's applicable to East Asian countries, Japanese and Koreans won't accept lots immigrant workers and China is going make wide use of humanoid robots to make up labor shortages instead of relying on foreign workers.

Germany, France and other made the mistake they let lots of aliens into the Europe. Those from Africa, South Asia, Middle East. They are totally different in character, culture. They make Europe to slums. Look how the cities look now in Europe. Terrible. No offense to anyone. But that’s the reality.
China, Vietnam, Japan, Korea and other must not allow that to happen.

 

[ety]

Germany, France and other made the mistake they let lots of aliens into the Europe. Those from Africa, South Asia, Middle East. They are totally different in character, culture. They make Europe to slums. Look how the cities look now. Terrible. No offense to anyone. But that’s the reality.
China, Vietnam, Japan, Korea and other must not allow to happen.

Well, countries in EU such as Germany, France and Britain just as the Gulf counties are rich nations. Their people are little lazy now. They can afford to import lots of third world workers and immigrants. Not so much so for East Asian counties though.

 

[Viet]

Well, countries in EU such as Germany, France and Britain just as the Gulf counties are rich nations. Their people are little lazy now. They can afford to import lots of third world workers and immigrants. Not so much so for East Asian counties though.

The problem is not migrant workers. They work hard they deserve respect.
The problem is jobless migrants, jobless men, gangs and their families that occupy public spaces and make Europe into slums. If the police goes after them, those people call “racism”.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The problem is not migrant workers. They work hard they deserve respect.
The problem is jobless migrants, jobless men, gangs and their families that occupy public spaces and make Europe into slums. If the police goes after them, those people call “racism”.

Europe's technology and productivity are lagging behind, and they can no longer sustain their current living standard.