Govt presses China on Gwadar plan

Pakistan will align with West on Iran/GCC/central asia security and counter terrorism.

Pakistan will align with China against India.


Pakistan was one of the very few countries that supported Iran against israel.

Our relationship with China is very deep and nuanced. China is a neighbour of Pakistan whom we have had a good relationship with for 1000s of years (including conterminus Pakistan/ancient area that is now Pakistan).
 
The Pakistan-Chinese relationship is further increasing but is focused mainly in the military/defence domain rather than in commercial projects. Once the law and order situation in Balochistan improves then CPEC and other commercial ventures can begin to further expand and advance.
The topic we are discussing is economic, not political or military. CPEC is, at its core, an economic issue, but at a strategic level, not a tactical one.

Let's compare China, India, and China, Pakistan.
China and India are deeply hostile on political and military issues, but they cooperate extensively on economic issues.
China and Pakistan cooperate closely on political and military issues, but economic cooperation is very difficult.
Both Pakistan and India face challenges with business credibility, corruption, and religion. However, India's advantages are:
1. A vast market.
2. While India also has security issues, they are much better than Pakistan's.

China will rather save 5% by setting up factory in Vietnam then in Pakistan.
On military levels relations with China are all time high. But economically don’t expect them to favour you if they can save some penny in Vietnam and Bangladesh.
The essence of business is profit. Merchants will actively seek opportunities in markets that offer better opportunities.

In recent years, numerous government investment promotion teams from Southeast Asian, Central Asian, and even African countries have been active in China. They are active in major Chinese cities, constantly lobbying Chinese citizens to invest and travel to their countries. They also promote and sell their products and culture in Chinese on Chinese social media platforms.

These countries have offered numerous preferential terms and market commitments, and have assigned senior officials to communicate directly with Chinese investment companies, helping them resolve various difficulties.

But, we rarely see Pakistani participation......
 
Hydra bro,

Pakistan will align with West on Iran/GCC/central asia security and counter terrorism. Pakistan will align with China against India.

As many of my enlightened Pakistani brethren on PDF have observed that IND's strategy to play both sides (QUAD & BRICS/SCO) was bound to be catastrophic failure. May the same not apply to PAK?

Regards
 
Pakistan was one of the very few countries that supported Iran against israel.

Sure

meanwhile Asim Munir in USA event

"Per reports, an estimated 120 Florida-based members of Pakistani origin attended the event, where participants were not allowed to carry cellphones or other digital devices. A representative of the Israel Defence Forces was also reportedly present at the function."
 
Sure

meanwhile Asim Munir in USA event

"Per reports, an estimated 120 Florida-based members of Pakistani origin attended the event, where participants were not allowed to carry cellphones or other digital devices. A representative of the Israel Defence Forces was also reportedly present at the function."

Based in history, ALWAYS be cautious of the americans. They can flip VERY easily and turn against you. NEVER EVER trust them. Do business with them where it benefits you but ALWAYS keep them at arms length.
 
Hydra bro,

Pakistan will align with West on Iran/GCC/central asia security and counter terrorism. Pakistan will align with China against India.

As many of my enlightened Pakistani brethren on PDF have observed that IND's strategy to play both sides (QUAD & BRICS/SCO) was bound to be catastrophic failure. May the same not apply to PAK?

Regards

Its not same. India sold itself as enemy of China to USA to get investments. While at the same time didn't show willingness to take on China on any front when push comes to shove.

Pakistan showed to the world on night of 7th May what it was capable of with Chinese weapons. China is happy with their investment in Pakistan military. While USA is unhappy with India and is now asking for ROI.

USA/west does not expect Pakistan support against China. In fact now they realize there is no point of QUAD as security alliance as India will always be preoccupied on Pakistan front.
 
The topic we are discussing is economic, not political or military. CPEC is, at its core, an economic issue, but at a strategic level, not a tactical one.

Let's compare China, India, and China, Pakistan.
China and India are deeply hostile on political and military issues, but they cooperate extensively on economic issues.
China and Pakistan cooperate closely on political and military issues, but economic cooperation is very difficult.
Both Pakistan and India face challenges with business credibility, corruption, and religion. However, India's advantages are:
1. A vast market.
2. While India also has security issues, they are much better than Pakistan's.


The essence of business is profit. Merchants will actively seek opportunities in markets that offer better opportunities.

In recent years, numerous government investment promotion teams from Southeast Asian, Central Asian, and even African countries have been active in China. They are active in major Chinese cities, constantly lobbying Chinese citizens to invest and travel to their countries. They also promote and sell their products and culture in Chinese on Chinese social media platforms.

These countries have offered numerous preferential terms and market commitments, and have assigned senior officials to communicate directly with Chinese investment companies, helping them resolve various difficulties.

But, we rarely see Pakistani participation......

Agreed. Pakistan needs to make more business and economic contacts/interactions with the Chinese rather than just military and political ones.
 
@hydrabadi_arab

If PAK isn't willing to join an alliance against PRC, why would West ally with it?

While USA is unhappy with India and is now asking for ROI.

They have already got it. Their corporations are making very big profits on their investments. They are saving billions of dollars by outsourcing.

Regards
 
Loosing china for usa will be crazy......... US is not trustworthy ....... For 75 years pakistan have followed a pro china policy now throwing it all up for some marginal gains for 1,2 years is simply unfathomable.( trump admin will get weakened after 2,3 years)

I seriously hope this will not be the case!
 
@SD 10

Loosing china for usa will be crazy.

Not at all.

A large chunk of your exports and remittances are sourced from US or it allies/vassals.
US approval is needed for IMF/WB loans.
Most of your emigrants go to US or its allies/vassals.
Economic interest of your ruling class- khakis or civvies- is intimately linked to US/UK.

Regards
 
@hydrabadi_arab

If PAK isn't willing to join an alliance against PRC, why would West ally with it?

While USA is unhappy with India and is now asking for ROI.

They have already got it. Their corporations are making very big profits on their investments. They are saving billions of dollars by outsourcing.

Regards

USA is consumer market, their companies can get low tech IT and goods from anywhere. Yet they imposed tariff on China in 2016, hurting US business.

To get India on their side USA essentially blacklisted Pakistan. India in return didn't live up to their expectations against China.
 
The essence of business is profit. Merchants will actively seek opportunities in markets that offer better opportunities.

In recent years, numerous government investment promotion teams from Southeast Asian, Central Asian, and even African countries have been active in China. They are active in major Chinese cities, constantly lobbying Chinese citizens to invest and travel to their countries. They also promote and sell their products and culture in Chinese on Chinese social media platforms.

These countries have offered numerous preferential terms and market commitments, and have assigned senior officials to communicate directly with Chinese investment companies, helping them resolve various difficulties.

But, we rarely see Pakistani participation......

USA actively use their economic power to blackmail others to do their bidding or support their strategic partners even if it means loss to USA businesses. Pakistan suffered from this USA policy for last 20 years.

Militarily relations with China are all time high. Economically China have helped Pakistan with energy shortage.

This is where China can take CPEC Phase 2 with industrialization and put in use power plants it helped build. Pakistan getting USA investment after 20 years will also help.
 
Agreed. Pakistan needs to make more business and economic contacts/interactions with the Chinese rather than just military and political ones.
Since most members of this forum are unable to analyze issues clearly and rationally, we should not conduct an in-depth analysis of China-Pakistan relations, as this could easily be exploited by some people.

Currently, the biggest obstacle to China-Pakistan economic relations is public security. Until this issue is effectively resolved, China-Pakistan economic relations will not develop well.
For 75 years pakistan have followed a pro china policy ......
This question requires examination from different perspectives, but it's not appropriate for an in-depth discussion here.

1. How many Pakistanis live in China? How many have visited China?
2. How many Pakistanis studying abroad go to China? How many go to Western countries?
3. Do Pakistan's elite prefer to live in China or Western countries? Do they prefer to own property in China or Western countries?
4. After retirement, how many senior government/military officials live in China? How many live in Western countries?
......

Compare these data and you'll get the answer you're looking for......
USA actively use their economic power to blackmail others to do their bidding or support their strategic partners even if it means loss to USA businesses. Pakistan suffered from this USA policy for last 20 years.

Militarily relations with China are all time high. Economically China have helped Pakistan with energy shortage.

This is where China can take CPEC Phase 2 with industrialization and put in use power plants it helped build. Pakistan getting USA investment after 20 years will also help.
Pakistan is perfectly capable of developing its own relationships with its many trading partners. This is Pakistan's internal affairs, and we have no intention of interfering.
As Pakistan actively develops ties with the United States and gradually distances itself from China, China will inevitably adjust.

Please note the official information I mentioned earlier. The orange and red alerts issued by the Chinese government for Pakistan have not yet been lifted.
 

Pakistan has urged Chinese operators of Gwadar Port and its free zone to fulfil their contractual obligations by submitting a time-bound business plan for industrialisation, aiming to make the jewel of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) fully operational.

The issue of delays in fulfilling the Concession Agreement commitments by China Overseas Port Holding Company (COPHC) was raised during a meeting of the CPEC joint working group on Gwadar. The session took place more than a month before Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif's scheduled visit to China for the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) summit.

According to government sources, Chinese officials were informed that Pakistan was still awaiting a comprehensive business plan for the Gwadar Free Zone. Islamabad asked for the investment schedule, performance indicators, and operational forecasts to guide industrialisation.

Pakistan stressed the urgency of finalising the design, financing, construction, operation, and maintenance of the north free zone. They called for a clear, time-bound implementation strategy to transform Gwadar into a competitive transshipment hub and regional transit gateway, said the Ministry of Planning authorities.

In August 2021, The Express Tribune reported that the Cabinet Committee on CPEC had found the Chinese marketing plan for Gwadar Port unsatisfactory. The matter has remained unresolved, although other projects, such as the international airport, allied services, and the first phase of the Eastbay Expressway, have progressed.

Pakistan urged COPHC to fully utilise the port by developing a ship-refuelling facility, LPG terminal, and ship-to-ship refuelling operations. Officials noted that Gwadar Port and its free zone remain underperforming due to multiple issues. They called for an investment and marketing plan with clear timelines and roadshows to attract strategic Chinese investors and industries, added sources.

Chinese representatives countered that the port needs more resources for sustainable operations. They proposed increasing shipping routes, policy support, and transit trade, and diverting part of Karachi Port's cargo to Gwadar.

Pakistan has already implemented supporting policies to operationalise the port, yet COPHC has not prioritised the north free zone's development and industrialisation. During the meeting, Gwadar Port authorities pushed for expedited construction of roads, water, and power infrastructure in the north free zone.

To make the port economically viable, Pakistan has withdrawn the bank guarantee requirement for Afghan transit cargo. It has also granted exemptions from the Export Policy Order to prospective Chinese investors, allowing the export of potassium sulphate.

According to the new regulation notified by the Ministry of Commerce, two Chinese companies, Agven Private Limited and Hangeng Trade Company Private Limited, have been allowed to export the fertiliser.

Authorities believe that building the breakwater and dredging berthing areas will require significant funds. These investments would not be viable without first expediting transshipment operations, cargo throughput, and business activity.

Some progress has been made elsewhere. Feasibility studies for the Gwadar Railway link and the second phase of the Eastbay Expressway, a 13.5km project, were completed in December last year. The completion of the second phase of this project will improve connectivity between the port and Gwadar International Airport. Pakistan has proposed signing the framework agreement for this phase either during the prime minister's visit or at the 14th Joint Cooperation Committee meeting. Negotiations with China are planned to secure grants for the Eastbay Expressway project.

Islamabad also urged Beijing to meet remaining development responsibilities under the concession agreement. These include building the internal infrastructure of the north free zone, submitting a five-year business plan, and quickly operationalising port-based value-added services.

Chinese experts visited Gwadar in July last year to address bottlenecks. They identified poor connectivity, inadequate utilities, and trade barriers as major issues. They acknowledged Pakistan's efforts over the past year to speed up operations, including regulatory approvals, support for transshipment, and tax exemptions.

Chinese officials acknowledged Pakistan's measures over the past year to accelerate the operationalisation of Gwadar Port and the free zone, including regulatory approvals, support for transshipment, and tax exemptions, the sources said.

Pakistan has committed to routing 60% of all public sector cargo through Gwadar. It has facilitated Afghan transit trade, allowed up to 50% of export proceeds to be used in foreign currency, and withdrawn the minimum turnover tax. However, China has asked Pakistan to further increase the public sector cargo share beyond the agreed 60%, said sources.

Officials reported that electricity and water supply infrastructure is now complete for both the north and south free zones. These zones are connected to the national grid via the Gwadar grid. A desalination plant producing 1.2 million gallons per day is fully operational, with two dedicated water supply lines laid to the north free zone's doorstep.

Regards

"time-bound business plan"

The last time I saw "time-bound" was a peace plan for resolving Kashmir
 

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