H-1B visas must end’: Wife of US citizen shares plight of landing IT jobs

[SoulSpokesman]

@Watandar

a wage suppression tool for corporations in IT

Corporates don't need H1Bs for wage suppression- they can do the same by Bangaloring their jobs.

Regards

 

[Watandar]

@Watandar

a wage suppression tool for corporations in IT

Corporates don't need H1Bs for wage suppression- they can do the same by Bangaloring their jobs.

Regards

Off shore has its limits. That's what corporations discovered after literally sending their entire IT dept overseas. Corporations lost control and were stuck with whatever the offshore was providing.

So no, Bangaloring wont proceed beyond a certain point.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Watandar

So no, Bangaloring wont proceed beyond a certain point.

True, indeed. The good thing (for us, that is) is that that point hasn't been reached yet.

Regards

 

[r3alist]

Off shore has its limits. That's what corporations discovered after literally sending their entire IT dept overseas. Corporations lost control and were stuck with whatever the offshore was providing.

So no, Bangaloring wont proceed beyond a certain point.

I think it will potentially increase

The GCC hype overextends into areas like AI (lol), and more value add development projects (brain and strategy work), attempting to position itself differently, however I think more analytic functions, cyber security, any ambitious artificial intelligence infrastructure and model maintenance work, cloud computing etc...

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

That's the main problem with the H1b, it was meant to address genuine shortages in the American economy for highly educated and skilled people. So when it's used to bring in African nurses , because there is indeed a major shortage of nurses, or doctors from Mideast/South Asia because once again, there is a genuine need, then the H1b is serving its purpose.

The H1b was NOT meant for what it became, a wage suppression tool for corporations in IT and a cheat code for Indians only to immigrate to America.

Which is exactly what I pointed out either in this or a related thread. In the engineering disciplines, the US has an absolute shortage of engineers. There is no choice but to look outside the fill the demand until such time that the US graduates engineers in sufficient numbers that H-1Bs for those roles are no longer needed.

 

[Oracle]

My H1B in progress.
Pray that this also goes well Inshallah

 

[Ali_Baba]

Which is exactly what I pointed out either in this or a related thread. In the engineering disciplines, the US has an absolute shortage of engineers. There is no choice but to look outside the fill the demand until such time that the US graduates engineers in sufficient numbers that H-1Bs for those roles are no longer needed.

Outsourcing - ie "capability centres" in India make it easier to create the space within the USA itself to have jobs available for new graduates to take on, as part of the bring "jobs back to the USA" programme.

If the USA brings in people from external sources into the USA itself to fullfill demand, those people will "hang around long term" and there wont be the spare jobs for new graduates to do.

So, outsource entirely to India for extra capacity, and then resource back to the USA by making the Indian engineers redundant in India and backfilling them with local graduates. That way, there is a job for the new graduates to take up.

(imho)

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Outsourcing - ie "capability centres" in India make it easier to create the space within the USA itself to have jobs available for new graduates to take on, as part of the bring "jobs back to the USA" programme.

If the USA brings in people from external sources into the USA itself to fullfill demand, those people will "hang around long term" and there wont be the spare jobs for new graduates to do.

So, outsource entirely to India for extra capacity, and then resource back to the USA by making the Indian engineers redundant in India and backfilling them with local graduates. That way, there is a job for the new graduates to take up.

(imho)

I'm going to come back to this because first, due to being in a different location and different PC, need to pull up all of the links I had specific to the engineering shortages in the US.

What you're proposing is not a bad thing. What we need to look at though is the specific discipline. For example, I had noted a table where IEs (Industrial Engineers) are in very high demand right now. I assure you that is a function that cannot be set up in a capability center in India or anywhere else for that matter. An electrical engineer with a focus solely on circuitry design? Certainly. But an electrical engineer designing factory infrastructure? Maybe not?

See how this is developing into a problem?

 

[ihussain]

Off shore has its limits. That's what corporations discovered after literally sending their entire IT dept overseas. Corporations lost control and were stuck with whatever the offshore was providing.

So no, Bangaloring wont proceed beyond a certain point.

I look at it from a completely different point of view.

Outsourcing is only going to hurt American universities because it will lead to lower enrollment of international students specially from India in master’s programs.

A kid with a B-Tech degree sitting in Hyderabad doesn’t take a student loan from a loan shark or predatory bank putting his or her parents’ home as collateral only to go through the painful F1 -> OPT -> H1B process just to get hired(there's no guarantee) by an American company for an $85K–$120K job. No sir, not at all.

 

[Meengla]

Which is exactly what I pointed out either in this or a related thread. In the engineering disciplines, the US has an absolute shortage of engineers. There is no choice but to look outside the fill the demand until such time that the US graduates engineers in sufficient numbers that H-1Bs for those roles are no longer needed.

You use the word 'engineering' rather vaguely. Sure, if there is critical shortage of mechanical or electrical engineer then bring from outside. However, the 'software' engineers are aplenty in America and that's where the H1Bs are the scam. I think you know the path to become a 'software engineer' is rather easier for Americans: Plenty of software engineers / IT techies with degrees in even Liberal Arts. They are capable but jobless.

 

[Meengla]

Outsourcing - ie "capability centres" in India make it easier to create the space within the USA itself to have jobs available for new graduates to take on, as part of the bring "jobs back to the USA" programme.
If the USA brings in people from external sources into the USA itself to fullfill demand, those people will "hang around long term" and there wont be the spare jobs for new graduates to do.
So, outsource entirely to India for extra capacity, and then resource back to the USA by making the Indian engineers redundant in India and backfilling them with local graduates. That way, there is a job for the new graduates to take up.

(imho)

If, as suggested by @SoulSpokesman or Arnab, the 'Bangaloring' was better for India then Indians wouldn't be sweating over the H1B changes. They are just coping. An H1B in America provides much better $$ to India, especially considering long term stay/much higher pay/ permanent residency/chain immigration then an Indian in Bangalore working at $20,000/year.
Indians know this equation well--they are the Baniyas, after all! And that's a compliment, really.

 

[ihussain]

If, as suggested by @SoulSpokesman or Arnab, the 'Bangaloring' was better for India then Indians wouldn't be sweating over the H1B changes. They are just coping. An H1B in America provides much better $$ to India, especially considering long term stay/much higher pay/ permanent residency/chain immigration then an Indian in Bangalore working at $20,000/year.
Indians know this equation well--they are the Baniyas, after all! And that's a compliment, really.

Thanks, @Meengla, for catching my drift. As I tried to explain it in my last post.

At the end of the day, it’s all just a green card chase wrapped up in a fancy excuse that starts with getting higher foreign education.

Watch the video from minute 20:00

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

You use the word 'engineering' rather vaguely. Sure, if there is critical shortage of mechanical or electrical engineer then bring from outside. However, the 'software' engineers are aplenty in America and that's where the H1Bs are the scam. I think you know the path to become a 'software engineer' is rather easier for Americans: Plenty of software engineers / IT techies with degrees in even Liberal Arts. They are capable but jobless.

Exactly and why I said above in #1673, we need to do a deeper dive into the various disciplines to have a true understanding where the shortages are.

Right now. EEs are very high on that list.

I need a bit of time to pull up all of the links I was referencing a few days ago. Am in a different location for a couple of weeks on a different box.

 

[ihussain]

very informative video

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Meengla sb

If, as suggested by @SoulSpokesman or Arnab, the 'Bangaloring' was better for India then Indians wouldn't be sweating over the H1B changes.

We need to distinguish between India and (individual) Indians. For Individual Indians, getting an American visa is a lottery ticket, no doubt. However, for India as a whole and its government, having jobs migrate is a lot better.

Regards