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Indian professor at Howard university on why H1B workers are preferred, “Cheaper and Controllable”.
IMHO, This is just hiring formal Scabs.
IMHO, This is just hiring formal Scabs.
H-1B visas must end’: Wife of US citizen shares plight of landing IT jobs
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r3alist
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It feels like functions that were previously in head offices may move to India ..... Cyber security
The inherent quagmire of artificial intelligence for the Indian it workforce is that it's there to reduce headcount, and would work in tandem with commercial decision makers, and is self learning....
That's in contradiction to the prior model which needed implementation of scale at low cost, continuous development and larger head count to develop and maintain
If an enterprise or company needs a large enough artificial intelligence model, then there could be potentially plenty of work but I think that's a few years away
Right now I can only see specialist vendors getting in
Ali_Baba
VIP Member
I doubt cyber security is moving over, that is part of the core crown jewels that any organisation will want to maintain very tight control over.
r3alist
Elite Member
These GCC's, which I only know a bit about, seem to offer more than just offshore it. some aspects of analytics or risk and even enterprise risk are going there..... I think.
I think you have to bake into consideration that the general workforce in India is more experienced and skilled than 10 years ago.
So they will look to be more ambitious, they even claim artificial intelligence implementation
Ali_Baba
VIP Member
These GCC's, which I only know a bit about, seem to offer more than just offshore it. some aspects of analytics or risk and even enterprise risk are going there..... I think.
I think you have to bake into consideration that the general workforce in India is more experienced and skilled than 10 years ago.
So they will look to be more ambitious, they even claim artificial intelligence implementation
They can offer all they want in whatever shrink wrapped fancy words they can come up with, and do those claim for what they can get away with. But, now with AI coding that is starting to affect their bottom line they will try to reinvent themselves for sure.
Look at the recent Jaguar hack recently that cost the UK GDP growth, or the Marks and Spencer hack that cost hundreds of millions so far. Poor cyber security was at the cause. It has become a major focus for organisations right now. It is one thing to "oursource" some code development, that may "eventually" you can get to work correctly after time, and another thing to have you keys to key infrastructure in a developing country.
Even for the bank for which i work, even though they have some system administrators in Poland, all the hierarchy of the keys and approvals, and peer review of changes still happens in the UK.
There are many things that will be outsourced, but security ain't one of them. Not now, with all the visible issues we have seen
r3alist
Elite Member
Fair enough, you are right there. even I am taking in the hype
delta2
Registered Member
A standard STEM program is about four years. Some universities in Canada, for example the UNB, have a split program of 2 years, work then 2 more years for an engineering degree. If one filters our fluff courses like humanities etc it can probably be reduced to 3 years.
So the USA can have 25+ Million STEM graduates within 3 to four years if they wish to do it on an emergency basis, a sort of a Marshall Plan. So it is not a big deal. If any country can pull it off, it is the USA.
The Indians have been graduating people with B. Tech degrees, and not traditional engineering and calling them engineering/STEM graduates and flooding the market. Scammers through and through.
The USA can replace every single H1B worker with an American one within three years.
AZ_HighCountry
INT'L MOD
I'm wondering if the problem goes deeper than that. Meaning, it starts in the high schools. If the kids aren't being properly prepared there, then they enter college at an immediate disadvantage.
I am not ashamed to say that at the time, the UA advised me into a couple remedial HS level math classes before enrolling in the math portion of my program. And now, because I actually am good at math, I look back on it and wonder why I doped off in those two classes in HS.
I'll do some digging to see how well US high schools are preparing today's student body for the rigors of a college education.
delta2
Registered Member
Most universities require a first year where core math/science classes are repeated/refreshed for high school graduates along with introductory stuff. There is not a scenario where a high school in India/South Asia where they only do rote memorization produces better educated students vs Western high schools where actual learning takes place.
The State universities in the USA are still producing very capable STEM students. The obsession with ivy leagues is overrated.
The USA can easily replace all H1Bs with all Americam workers if the decision makers wish to.
All of this H1B issue is due to strategic recalculations where India is being shown the door. It has nothing to do with "they took our jobs".
AZ_HighCountry
INT'L MOD
Yes, we could. We just don't have the numbers right now. See some of my earlier posts regarding the shortage of engineers especially in certain disciplines vs. demand.
There was a saying, what was it, 15 or so years ago, that for every 100 engineers Japan graduated, the US graduated 100 lawyers.
We need engineers. Not lawyers.
delta2
Registered Member
You need both.
But the issue is not as serious or scary as many think it is.
Four years is a very short period of time.
Heck you could hire students fresh out of high school and get the current H1Bs to start training them on the job. I am sure they will pick up the required skills in no time.
The question needed to be asked is: Who exactly is in charge of the USA? The govt of the Unites States or some businesses? That is your core issue, not the number of graduates in X field vs. Y field.
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@vasanthm
Vasantha Garu, Is this true that your fellow Golts are monopolising the H1B jobs and burning your brides?
Far-right radio commentator Alex Jones dissected the ongoing H-1B row and called it a mafia where 7 in 10 H-1Bs come from one region of India. Alex Jones said he does not hate India, but it is no less than a mafia if all H-1Bs come from one small region of India. Jones said in the last four years, the Indians have taken over all job sectors in the US as he only sees Indians everywhere. He also said that in restaurants, not only have all the jobs gone to the Indians, but people eating out at these places are also Indians, as they only have jobs in the US now.
"I don't hate Indians," Alex Jones said at the beginning of his anti-India video. Indians are smart, and they abide by all the rules, and they milk it all, Jones said. The Indian mindset is not compatible with American culture, the right-wing commentator said making a reference to the viral video of a US influencer showing the cowdung festival in India.
The H-1B row has now turned into an India-hate show for US influencers after President Donald Trump said his administration will not act very hard on H-1B because America needs certain foreign talent. President Trump gave the examples of battery workers from Korea and chip workers from Taiwan. But as India contributes the maximum to H-1B programs, the heat is on India.
Indians hire Indians and that's how Silicon Valley is full of Indians, Jones said, adding that all these H-1Bs are from one tribe and one region; even other regions are not getting any chance.
Jones claimed the same tribe that gets the maximum H-1Bs also burn their wives the highest over dowry. Comparing the Indian takeover of jobs with military takeover of a place, Jones said he sees Indians everywhere -- in airports with wheelchairs, bending rules and taking advantages.
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@vasanthm
Vasantha Garu, Is this true that your fellow Golts are monopolising the H1B jobs and burning your brides?
Far-right radio commentator Alex Jones dissected the ongoing H-1B row and called it a mafia where 7 in 10 H-1Bs come from one region of India. Alex Jones said he does not hate India, but it is no less than a mafia if all H-1Bs come from one small region of India. Jones said in the last four years, the Indians have taken over all job sectors in the US as he only sees Indians everywhere. He also said that in restaurants, not only have all the jobs gone to the Indians, but people eating out at these places are also Indians, as they only have jobs in the US now.
"I don't hate Indians," Alex Jones said at the beginning of his anti-India video. Indians are smart, and they abide by all the rules, and they milk it all, Jones said. The Indian mindset is not compatible with American culture, the right-wing commentator said making a reference to the viral video of a US influencer showing the cowdung festival in India.
The H-1B row has now turned into an India-hate show for US influencers after President Donald Trump said his administration will not act very hard on H-1B because America needs certain foreign talent. President Trump gave the examples of battery workers from Korea and chip workers from Taiwan. But as India contributes the maximum to H-1B programs, the heat is on India.
Indians hire Indians and that's how Silicon Valley is full of Indians, Jones said, adding that all these H-1Bs are from one tribe and one region; even other regions are not getting any chance.
Jones claimed the same tribe that gets the maximum H-1Bs also burn their wives the highest over dowry. Comparing the Indian takeover of jobs with military takeover of a place, Jones said he sees Indians everywhere -- in airports with wheelchairs, bending rules and taking advantages.
Regards
Watandar
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Do you have a link to this video?
Alex Jones is the man! He has been wrongly slandered as a crazed conspiracy theorist. Sure he says wacky stuff from time to time but has been right on so much!
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