H-1B visas must end’: Wife of US citizen shares plight of landing IT jobs

[Master Chief]

@RajaBaja

Why don't you return the $3.5 trillion and 10 million jobs back to US and then try to show how you can sustain India?

How about them returning the trillions of codes our software engineers wrote for them?

Regards

Yes. Of course. Perhaps we should "return" the number zero to you magical leprechauns too.

 

[Master Chief]

Need I say more

The picture you showed is of Vladimir Putin and Narendra Modi walking past Shebaz Sharif to talk to Xi Jinping.

What in the universe makes you so delusional to think that Pakistan's PM is tasked with policing the conversations of Xi Jinping, or trying to physically intervene when Modi starts grabbing men's hands without consent?

We are actually very happy to watch your PM make an ass of himself, all by himself, with zero effort on our part. Keep it up! We're rootin for ya!

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Master Chief

In reality of course, the errors all stem from poor policy in these western countries.

This "poor policy" has been in place for 30 + years and has worked well for Western corporates. Not sure it can be called poor policy at all.

Regards

 

[nahtanbob]

So an h1b Indian middle manager, who has only really had "experience" of fellow Indians, will hire a bunch of h1b Indians. That same individual already benefited, quite cynically, from a western quota system designed to enhance ethnic minority employment.

I can see that happening. I can see brown skinned Pakistanis benefitting if they can play the game. Assuming you can play it

 

[nahtanbob]

Uhmmm, Northern Indians aren't Pakistanis dumb ugly Hindu.

Like it or not Pakistan was part of British Indian Empire

 

[SoulSpokesman]

MSN

The US-India technology corridor, long seen as a mutually beneficial partnership, is facing fresh turbulence. A new piece of legislation introduced in the US Congress, the "Halting International Relocation of Employment Act" or HIRE Act, has the potential to upend the foundational model of India’s thriving IT services industry and emerging Global Capability Centres (GCCs). Though still a long way from becoming law, the bill marks a significant escalation in the narrative that foreign workers, particularly from India, are stealing American jobs. And this time, the rhetoric is being translated into a legislative threat with teeth.

What was once limited to fringe MAGA commentators has now found a foothold in the political mainstream. Trump's trade advisor Peter Navarro recently retweeted far-right commentator Jack Posobiec, who called for tariffs on remote foreign workers. This was more than a symbolic endorsement. It signaled that voices calling for a crackdown on offshoring are being taken seriously within the Trump-aligned Republican ecosystem. Though tariffs can't be imposed on services as they are meant for goods that cross borders, Navarro's endorsement of Posobiec's idea signalled that India's showpiece IT services sector can become Trump's target.

Soon after, MAGA activist Laura Loomer, who is reportedly close to Trump’s inner circle, stated that Trump is considering blocking US IT companies from outsourcing work to Indian firms. The fact that such extreme proposals are being floated and amplified by Trump’s orbit raises red flags for India’s $250 billion IT services industry and the thousands of white-collar jobs it supports.

Introduced by Republican Senator Bernie Moreno of Ohio, the HIRE Act proposes a 25% tax on “outsourcing payments”, defined as any payments made by a US taxpayer or company to a foreign entity whose work benefits US consumers. This will target not only Indian IT services industry and GCCs but also all work, including freelance, that Indians provide to American companies.
Additionally, the bill proposes that American companies will lose the ability to deduct such expenses for tax purposes. The bill includes anti-abuse provisions to prevent rerouting of payments through US territories. Revenues from the outsourcing tax will be used to fund apprenticeship programs and workforce development in the US.

In effect, the bill aims to penalise US companies for using cheaper overseas labour and financially incentivise reshoring jobs. The messaging from Senator Moreno is blunt. "While college grads in America struggle to find work, globalist politicians and C-Suite executives have spent decades shipping good-paying jobs overseas in pursuit of slave wages and immense profits - those days are over," Moreno told Fox News Digital in a statement.

The bill doesn’t explicitly target India, but the subtext is clear. With over 50–60% of Indian IT revenue coming from the US, and hundreds of GCCs delivering services remotely to American clients, not to mention lots of startups and freelancers providing services to American clients, the Indian technology sector seems to be the primary target of the bill.

ndia's major IT services players such as TCS, Infosys, Wipro, HCLTech and Tech Mahindra derive more than half of their revenues from US clients. Similarly, GCCs (Global Capability Centres) of Fortune 500 firms including those in finance, insurance, healthcare, retail and tech heavily rely on Indian talent to run their global operations. A 25% surcharge on these services, combined with the loss of deductibility, dramatically increases the total cost of offshoring for American firms.

There are a few potential paths forward, but none are without pain. Indian companies may try to absorb some or all of the 25% tax, compressing their already thin margins. If clients share the burden, service costs in the US will rise, potentially leading to inflationary pressure, especially in sectors like banking, customer support and even aviation, which rely on Indian offshoring for backend efficiency. US firms could create subsidiaries in India to bypass the tax, but the anti-abuse clauses in the bill suggest even these routes could be monitored or closed off.

Admittedly, the bill faces a steep climb to become a law. As of now, it lacks White House support, and it's unclear whether even Trump, despite his rhetoric, will back this particular measure. Previous efforts like Sen. Lindsey Graham’s proposal for 500% tariffs on countries buying Russian oil failed to gain traction despite MAGA support. The Republicans only have narrow majorities in Congress, and any bill this controversial would require extensive bipartisan negotiation.
It's also possible that the proposed HIRE Act in its current form is just a new bargaining chip from Trump officials in US-India trade negotiations which are ongoing.

But despite all that, the fact that outsourcing tariffs are being seriously discussed is a clear signpost. The combination of political rhetoric, populist nationalism and rising anti-immigration sentiment has given oxygen to these ideas which were once dismissed as impractical or fringe. Carve-outs might be introduced for critical sectors but even then, the sword hangs over most of India’s IT services exports.

A core question lingers: Does the US even have enough skilled workers to replace offshore talent? American universities produce far fewer STEM graduates than India annually, and the domestic pipeline for mid-senior tech talent is shallow. That’s why US companies outsource in the first place, not just to save money, but to ensure continuity and scale in operations. Disrupting this ecosystem through blunt-force policy tools risks not just Indian jobs, but American business competitiveness.

The HIRE Act may not pass in its current form, but it is a serious policy signal. For Indian IT services and GCCs, the risks are no longer hypothetical. India’s overdependence on the US market leaves it vulnerable to policy shocks. If nothing else, this episode should prompt India’s IT industry to diversify its client base, invest in domestic demand, focus on innovation and prepare in all ways for a less hospitable geopolitical climate. Even if Moreno’s bill fails, the protectionist agenda is in full play and Indian IT is firmly in its crosshairs.

Regards

 

[Master Chief]

@Master Chief

In reality of course, the errors all stem from poor policy in these western countries.

This "poor policy" has been in place for 30 + years and has worked well for Western corporates. Not sure it can be called poor policy at all.

Regards

No disputing that big corporates have - and always will - benefit from this approach. However, it remains short sighted with regards to the interests of local talent pools and local society. Unchecked "globalisation" has actually created many of the west's biggest social and population centric problems of the last 3 decades.

UK has become an absolute dump since the years when I was growing up here. I can only speculate on the full range of reasons behind that but overpopulation and reduced tolerable living standards contributes to that significantly. Our equivalents of h1b (e.g. Priti Patel's "fast track" visa program under the last Conservative government) need some serious rolling back.

Of course, the biggest optics centre around the illegal boats crossing the Channel, however, the numbers of legal economic migrants from firstly, the EU, and more recently, India, far outstrips those boat numbers.

Contrary to popular delusion on these pages and beyond, such policy does not actually result in the most desirable theoretical outcome of capitalist economics - a steady and consistent increase in living standards due to technological advancement. On the contrary, with the new labour force simply undercutting established standards for wages, working standards and general quality of life, society actually goes backwards.

You may not actually understand without being here, so feel free to pop round for tea one day and I can give you a little tour of our delightful urban sprawl. Alternatively, listen to Nigel Farage for a clearer picture.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Master Chief

You may not actually understand without being here,

No, actually I can understand.

UK has become an absolute dump since the years when I was growing up here.

Well, I am sure native Britons who were around when your folks landed up may have had the same feeling about their growing up years.

On the contrary, with the new labour force simply undercutting established standards for wages,

I am sure your folks too undercut the existing labour force

Regards

 

[Master Chief]

@Master Chief

You may not actually understand without being here,

No, actually I can understand.

UK has become an absolute dump since the years when I was growing up here.

Well, I am sure native Britons who were around when your folks landed up may have had the same feeling about their growing up years.

On the contrary, with the new labour force simply undercutting established standards for wages,

I am sure your folks too undercut the existing labour force

Regards

Again, this is not the Pakistan vs India tournament that you seem to imply it is.

Indians simply happen to constitute the largest, by far, visible group of recent economic migrants, (often posing as students thanks again to recent "reforms" in legislation).

You refer also to the post-war UK migrant wave, including south asians, west indians and others to fill vacant posts in specific areas of labour shortage. That was planned and well facilitated by the government at the time. In fact, it was the migrants who bore that generation's hardships.

These days, I don't really know why my tax money is being used to excuse today's generation of Indian migrant workers from having to pay National Insurance for 3 years after arrival!

Government defends National Insurance exemption in UK-India deal - BBC News

Opposition parties claim the new trade agreement means Indian workers will be cheaper for employers to hire.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Rationale]

MSN

The US-India technology corridor, long seen as a mutually beneficial partnership, is facing fresh turbulence. A new piece of legislation introduced in the US Congress, the "Halting International Relocation of Employment Act" or HIRE Act, has the potential to upend the foundational model of India’s thriving IT services industry and emerging Global Capability Centres (GCCs). Though still a long way from becoming law, the bill marks a significant escalation in the narrative that foreign workers, particularly from India, are stealing American jobs. And this time, the rhetoric is being translated into a legislative threat with teeth.

What was once limited to fringe MAGA commentators has now found a foothold in the political mainstream. Trump's trade advisor Peter Navarro recently retweeted far-right commentator Jack Posobiec, who called for tariffs on remote foreign workers. This was more than a symbolic endorsement. It signaled that voices calling for a crackdown on offshoring are being taken seriously within the Trump-aligned Republican ecosystem. Though tariffs can't be imposed on services as they are meant for goods that cross borders, Navarro's endorsement of Posobiec's idea signalled that India's showpiece IT services sector can become Trump's target.

Soon after, MAGA activist Laura Loomer, who is reportedly close to Trump’s inner circle, stated that Trump is considering blocking US IT companies from outsourcing work to Indian firms. The fact that such extreme proposals are being floated and amplified by Trump’s orbit raises red flags for India’s $250 billion IT services industry and the thousands of white-collar jobs it supports.

Introduced by Republican Senator Bernie Moreno of Ohio, the HIRE Act proposes a 25% tax on “outsourcing payments”, defined as any payments made by a US taxpayer or company to a foreign entity whose work benefits US consumers. This will target not only Indian IT services industry and GCCs but also all work, including freelance, that Indians provide to American companies.
Additionally, the bill proposes that American companies will lose the ability to deduct such expenses for tax purposes. The bill includes anti-abuse provisions to prevent rerouting of payments through US territories. Revenues from the outsourcing tax will be used to fund apprenticeship programs and workforce development in the US.

In effect, the bill aims to penalise US companies for using cheaper overseas labour and financially incentivise reshoring jobs. The messaging from Senator Moreno is blunt. "While college grads in America struggle to find work, globalist politicians and C-Suite executives have spent decades shipping good-paying jobs overseas in pursuit of slave wages and immense profits - those days are over," Moreno told Fox News Digital in a statement.

The bill doesn’t explicitly target India, but the subtext is clear. With over 50–60% of Indian IT revenue coming from the US, and hundreds of GCCs delivering services remotely to American clients, not to mention lots of startups and freelancers providing services to American clients, the Indian technology sector seems to be the primary target of the bill.

ndia's major IT services players such as TCS, Infosys, Wipro, HCLTech and Tech Mahindra derive more than half of their revenues from US clients. Similarly, GCCs (Global Capability Centres) of Fortune 500 firms including those in finance, insurance, healthcare, retail and tech heavily rely on Indian talent to run their global operations. A 25% surcharge on these services, combined with the loss of deductibility, dramatically increases the total cost of offshoring for American firms.

There are a few potential paths forward, but none are without pain. Indian companies may try to absorb some or all of the 25% tax, compressing their already thin margins. If clients share the burden, service costs in the US will rise, potentially leading to inflationary pressure, especially in sectors like banking, customer support and even aviation, which rely on Indian offshoring for backend efficiency. US firms could create subsidiaries in India to bypass the tax, but the anti-abuse clauses in the bill suggest even these routes could be monitored or closed off.

Admittedly, the bill faces a steep climb to become a law. As of now, it lacks White House support, and it's unclear whether even Trump, despite his rhetoric, will back this particular measure. Previous efforts like Sen. Lindsey Graham’s proposal for 500% tariffs on countries buying Russian oil failed to gain traction despite MAGA support. The Republicans only have narrow majorities in Congress, and any bill this controversial would require extensive bipartisan negotiation.
It's also possible that the proposed HIRE Act in its current form is just a new bargaining chip from Trump officials in US-India trade negotiations which are ongoing.

But despite all that, the fact that outsourcing tariffs are being seriously discussed is a clear signpost. The combination of political rhetoric, populist nationalism and rising anti-immigration sentiment has given oxygen to these ideas which were once dismissed as impractical or fringe. Carve-outs might be introduced for critical sectors but even then, the sword hangs over most of India’s IT services exports.

A core question lingers: Does the US even have enough skilled workers to replace offshore talent? American universities produce far fewer STEM graduates than India annually, and the domestic pipeline for mid-senior tech talent is shallow. That’s why US companies outsource in the first place, not just to save money, but to ensure continuity and scale in operations. Disrupting this ecosystem through blunt-force policy tools risks not just Indian jobs, but American business competitiveness.

The HIRE Act may not pass in its current form, but it is a serious policy signal. For Indian IT services and GCCs, the risks are no longer hypothetical. India’s overdependence on the US market leaves it vulnerable to policy shocks. If nothing else, this episode should prompt India’s IT industry to diversify its client base, invest in domestic demand, focus on innovation and prepare in all ways for a less hospitable geopolitical climate. Even if Moreno’s bill fails, the protectionist agenda is in full play and Indian IT is firmly in its crosshairs.

Regards

Hope this will prove to some idiots here that Trump does not have the authority to tell companies to stop outsourcing, otherwise this Bill would not have had to be introduced in Congress. It is extremely unlikely it will pass, but if it does it will place US companies at a steep cost disadvantage against their international competitors. It is likey that many operations will be incorporated outside the US to avoid this tax and the unintended consequences will worsen not improve the situation the Bill aims to address.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

In your opinion. Would you appreciate my posting a bunch of anti-Canadian rubbish?

You really are an interesting chap. 33 years old IIRC? Someday you may grow up.

Grow up! Of course you can say Anti-Canadian rubbish. You should not get offended so easily.

Don't you Americans value Freedom of Speech?

 

[studsmart]

There are H1 visas in the USA that are used by Indians, mostly subpar workers, to infiltrate the workforce, which is not giving favorable treatment to local US citizens. especially with H4 also enters the same work force stream. This need to stop and H1 allocation needs to be managed properly.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

In your opinion. Would you appreciate my posting a bunch of anti-Canadian rubbish?

You really are an interesting chap. 33 years old IIRC? Someday you may grow up.

Then bring the evidence that I posted Anti-American stuff on this Pakistani forum.

I did not post anything Anti-American, but I posted facts.
Anyways.

You should grow up and not get so offended so easily. Go ahead and post Anti-Canadian stuff, I won't get offended so easily.

That is Freedom of Speech you Americans value so dearly.

 

[ihussain]

There are H1 visas in the USA that are used by Indians, mostly subpar workers, to infiltrate the workforce, which is not giving favorable treatment to local US citizens. especially with H4 also enters the same work force stream. This need to stop and H1 allocation needs to be managed properly.

US citizens are losing two jobs, not one, because of these H4s (majority of them are working in HR). But it seems like some new rules are in progress:

1. Wage-based H1B
2. Four-year limit for student visas (currently, with a student visa, you can stay in the US indefinitely)

Recently, authorities have also started cracking down on U-visas.

 

[nahtanbob]

No disputing that big corporates have - and always will - benefit from this approach. However, it remains short sighted with regards to the interests of local talent pools and local society. Unchecked "globalisation" has actually created many of the west's biggest social and population centric problems of the last 3 decades.

Actually it is the reverse. globalisation has lifted a lot of third world countries out of the economic mess they were in. If more economic migrants are coming into Europe it is due to awareness - internet, cellphones, social media. the expectations have risen to probably unrealistic levels.

UK has become an absolute dump since the years when I was growing up here. I can only speculate on the full range of reasons behind that but overpopulation and reduced tolerable living standards contributes to that significantly. Our equivalents of h1b (e.g. Priti Patel's "fast track" visa program under the last Conservative government) need some serious rolling back.

Before India all American firms had software development centers in UK. Needless to say most of them have shutdown or have been scaled back.

Of course, the biggest optics centre around the illegal boats crossing the Channel, however, the numbers of legal economic migrants from firstly, the EU, and more recently, India, far outstrips those boat numbers.

Contrary to popular delusion on these pages and beyond, such policy does not actually result in the most desirable theoretical outcome of capitalist economics - a steady and consistent increase in living standards due to technological advancement. On the contrary, with the new labour force simply undercutting established standards for wages, working standards and general quality of life, society actually goes backwards.

You may not actually understand without being here, so feel free to pop round for tea one day and I can give you a little tour of our delightful urban sprawl. Alternatively, listen to Nigel Farage for a clearer picture.

I do not think even legal economic Indian migrants (even if they are skilled enough) will fix UK's problems. British have been selling their national industries in name of capitalism and also importing low skilled refugees from the Third World. They are uncompetitive for good