H-1B visas must end’: Wife of US citizen shares plight of landing IT jobs

[r3alist]

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[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

Does it not bother you that PAK is behind Philippines in the above infographic?

Regards

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist bro

Does it not bother you that PAK is behind Philippines in the above infographic?

Regards

Nope.

Fundamentally, this whole visa scheme is not that beneficial for India as a whole

Whilst it gave a level of access to American citizenship and remittances to a thin slice of Indians, it created leverage over India and also ensured that India is not really developing major technical capabilities.

That's not to say India would have done it anyway, but it shall reduce the odds when most bright young energetic people would rather eye up foreign opportunities.

Even if India came up with some middling technology based products,I think India would be much much better off, because these capabilities can quickly mature if you have decent foundations, look at Huawei. In which case, you can then start to undercut Chinese market share within South Asia

And that's the same for Pakistan, there has to be focus for creating some real inward industrial capacity, it will be modest for 10 to 15 years

 

[RescueRanger]

The will fix it.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

That's not to say India would have done it anyway,

That is my fear. IND wouldn't have done it even if all that talent had stayed back. Having a product and proprietary technology orientation requires a certain mindset and risk-taking ability that I haven't seen in Indian entrepreneurs, govt or the society at large. I hope I am proved wrong on this.

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[RescueRanger]

I have no dog in the debate or argument seeing as I am neither a migrant to the US nor a citizen there.

All I will say is that such visa programs are poorly thought out and eventually end up limiting the prospects and hiring potential for local residents thus further reducing social mobility.

The US should focus on providing jobs for their own sons and daughters in the US.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@RescueRanger sb

I have no dog in the debate or argument seeing as I am neither a migrant to the US nor a citizen there.

Same here, sir! Except that I am a citizen of a country which benefits heavily from the H1B/offshoring/ outsourcing programme.

The US should focus on providing jobs for their own sons and daughters in the US.

Nothing wrong in this line of thinking and you can't fault the GoUS in doing that. But the American corporates have their own imperatives, which is to provide world class goods and services globally at lowest price points possible. For this they must seek out the global talent pool for their own operations again at the lowest price point. If they fail to get that talent in USA itself they may choose to relocate to countries where such talent is available; or risk losing that talent to corporates from other nations who have no such qualms.

Regards

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist bro

That's not to say India would have done it anyway,

That is my fear. IND wouldn't have done it even if all that talent had stayed back. Having a product and proprietary technology orientation requires a certain mindset and risk-taking ability that I haven't seen in Indian entrepreneurs, govt or the society at large. I hope I am proved wrong on this.

Regards

You see if this scheme was clamped down on 10 years ago, that would have been optimal for India, as you would have enough guys coming back from the states with a real insight on better practices, but also at a time where you still have a chance to compete with China.

I am afraid there has to be a reason why most Indians try to stay in the west and most Chinese settle back in China after a stint in the West


At this point America has been cruel to India, and the more internationally mobile indians have also been indifferent to India, they both created a bubble that traded short to medium term comfort versus long term prosperity.
The more elite Pakistan do the same in their own way

However I understand that there is some wording which allows this bill to be reversed after 12 months

 

[Dalit]

@vasanthm What is up dude?

 

[Bilal]

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[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

but also at a time where you still have a chance to compete with China.

We (both IND and PAK) didn't lose the race to PRC in the last 10 years. We lost it in the 1950s-70s- long story, we can discuss in a separate thread.

I am afraid there has to be a reason why most Indians try to stay in the west and most Chinese settle back in China after a stint in the West.

The reason is pretty obvious. PRC offers far better living standards and working conditions as compared to IND

Regards

 

[Vkdindian1]

If the politicians can get a law through Congress, that is fine, but it is a huge overreach for the President to try and dismantle it on his own. In his first term, the entry ban from Muslim countries was thrown out. This is more egregious, so I don't think it will stand. The proper way to handle this, if the administration is serious , is to amend the law and put in these conditions. Trump is doing this mostly for theatrics and to convince current and future H1Bs on the fence to leave on their own. I will be very surprised if this EO does not get stayed almost immediately when the courts open next week.

Trump must have issued this on a weekend and set 24 hour deadline to prevent courts from intervening. Many people abroad are rushing back to beat this deadline since they can’t take chances, if this EO is quashed by the courts on Monday.

 

[vasanthm]

@vasanthm What is up dude?

As I've always been saying, more GCC and job shift to India, US corporates are not going to keep low and mid level jobs there that can be done remotely

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist bro

but also at a time where you still have a chance to compete with China.

We (both IND and PAK) didn't lose the race to PRC in the last 10 years. We lost it in the 1950s-70s- long story, we can discuss in a separate thread.

I am afraid there has to be a reason why most Indians try to stay in the west and most Chinese settle back in China after a stint in the West.

The reason is pretty obvious. PRC offers far better living standards and working conditions as compared to IND

Regards

India specifically, 10 to 15 years ago, could have combined their own talented people with those coming back from the States with over a decade experience and come up with their own products, remember that Huawei was nothing much to shout about 10 years ago. The guys coming back from the West would have been the hack to potentially accelerate the process.

The Chinese were going back to China even 10 20 30 years ago, it's not about living standards per se, an upper middle Indian can probably live much better than an equivalent Chinese in the homelands

I think it's to do with the average Chinese being more connected to their language and homeland than the Indian, it's a psychological difference

And that brings me to the other point, I remember having this debate before, no Indian was willing to question whether this was an opportunity created themselves, or an opportunity given.

Ultimately it was an opportunity given

 

[BrigSmart]

However I understand that there is some wording which allows this bill to be reversed after 12 months

In my opinion, that is just legalese. The President does not have the authority to overturn , or so substantially amend, a law passed by Congress under ordinary circumstances. He is invoking emergency powers to do so and he can't obviously proclaim an emergency till perpetuity. Hence, the one year validity. In any case, at least the part requiring people with existing visas to pay a 100K hafta to enter the US is almost certain to be overturned by a court. With a 36 hour notice over a weekend, it is impossible for the sponsor of any H1B holder to pay the supplemental fee before the order goes into effect tomorrow. It will take days, if not weeks, for USCIS to even set up the mechanism to receive and acknowledge such supplemental fees. No court will allow an order which sets conditions that are impossible to meet. This would be true even in the unlikely case that the court agrees that the President had the authority to make such a profound change to a law passed by Congress and impose such significant taxes on American companies.