Hangor Class Submarine | Updates & Discussion

[Pak-Warrior]

without any proof. But it has already been discussed and we never agreed.

Is this guy for real ? Is he even denying the PAF kills? the Rafales lol?

omg Rakesh! The wreckage photos with dozens of your countrymen taking its photos on 7th may and acceptance by your AM Bharti and CDS ??

I think with Rafales lost, Rakesh lost his mind too.

 

[studsmart]

why waste time on him, the entire world is agreeing to it .. 8-0 including the huron plus 2 more rafales damaged beyond repair

 

[kimjongun]

without any proof. But it has already been discussed and we never agreed.

lets just assume for your cope that rafale in bhatinda was an indian **** up of airdefence or some bird strike which you said while thinking from your knees....
so will you also assume that the mirage 2000,mig29,su30 were also indian **** ups???????????????and not pl15 up their ass

 

[BonPlan]

Is this guy for real ? Is he even denying the PAF kills? the Rafales lol?

omg Rakesh! The wreckage photos with dozens of your countrymen taking its photos on 7th may and acceptance by your AM Bharti and CDS ??

I think with Rafales lost, Rakesh lost his mind too.

Real, I can assure I'm real.
I just said and say that if one Rafale was indeed grounded, not a single one here knows why. PL-15? maybe but maybe not.
Wait and see and don't get so exited.

 

[kimjongun]

Real, I can assure I'm real.
I just said and say that if one Rafale was indeed grounded, not a single one here knows why. PL-15? maybe but maybe not.
Wait and see and don't get so exited.

so about the wreckage in bhatinda idiot?and the other 3 reckages of aircraft which got groped by pl15s?

 

[Gripen9]

But they flew day 3 and 4, without any air opposition.

150 kms inside their own airspace....
Ask that bharti chap.

 

[Quwa]

That's plausible. But I think it was purely the case earlier, when we only had F-22Ps & Type-21s.

However, after recent procurements Tughrils, Baburs, yarmook-Bs, that's about 10 new warships. I think PN surface fleet may not only serve as bait in the conflict. These can contribute to overall defensive offensive. Or some contribution in PN's A2/AD strategy.

IMO the larger surface fleet will likely see more work in CTFs, Regional Maritime Patrols (RMP), and a potential regional Pak-KSA naval apparatus than the PN's wartime A2/AD.

 

[Broghil]

Real, I can assure I'm real.
I just said and say that if one Rafale was indeed grounded, not a single one here knows why. PL-15? maybe but maybe not.
Wait and see and don't get so exited.

There was a genius indian like u also who while looking at the pic of burnt Mica missile and launch rail said that it was torn off during some high g manoeuvres.
But again, you people shot down an F-16 with the missile's rocket booster still attached to the launch rail so nothing is beyond I guess.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Real, I can assure I'm real.
I just said and say that if one Rafale was indeed grounded, not a single one here knows why. PL-15? maybe but maybe not.
Wait and see and don't get so exited.

Just know this you are a perfect joker. You can join a circus anytime.
If multiple warplanes are shot down. The videos came out from EXACTLY the same spots where PAF said they made kills then those aircraft wreckages are not called "grounded" They are shot down by PAF. Not the first though. PAF is shooting down your indian ass in every encounter. Not just indians, but afghan, russians, israeli jets too. So don't feel dishearted. You just faced a more trained opponent.

BTW Rakesh, You have another account too. I have seen exactly same wordings and style.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

IMO the larger surface fleet will likely see more work in CTFs, Regional Maritime Patrols (RMP), and a potential regional Pak-KSA naval apparatus than the PN's wartime A2/AD.

Yep, but KSA-Pak agreement happened just now. The warships we are procuring are for quite a while now. JCF is also being built. If CTF was the only role then OPVs and existing previous fleet was enough.

BTW, That's one of the reason that I have always advocated for powerful surface fleet that increases your influence & reach too in addition to own maritime defense.

 

[Oscar]

Oscars post explains a lot of PN procurement.

Effectively the PN uses ships in a conflict to bait IN vessels into “kill zones” where submarines will do the needful.

Keep in mind this plan relies a lot upon a sliver of guarantee IN will take the bait. With longer ranged systems beyond the Brahmos that kill zone and its exposure of the subs will need to be further east and lead to a hollowing of this approach.

I do not discount PN’s surface fleets ability to engage in limited surface focused offensives as well but it the risks outweigh chances of success from my limited knowledge perspective.

Even with longer ranged systems the IN will still need to move in close to truly provide its longer term blockade focus.

But the term blockade now extends to longer ranged nets so potentially IN can still blockade Pakistan’s SLOCs while keeping its fleet well out of serious danger. The Houthi threat (while not exactly analogous) shows the danger of how long ranged cheap systems can still threaten commercial shipping.

That is where PN needs to have the balance of not only providing the “do not dare cross this line” bait while providing covers for economic lifelines from the sea.

Oddly, many years ago I heard an odd anecdote regarding Pakistan SLOCs being guaranteed well beyond Pakistan’s own assets. However, then the reasons were the pipeline from Karachi to Torkham.
Perhaps with the minerals deal it might be the same again.

 

[Oscar]

Is this guy for real ? Is he even denying the PAF kills? the Rafales lol?

omg Rakesh! The wreckage photos with dozens of your countrymen taking its photos on 7th may and acceptance by your AM Bharti and CDS ??

I think with Rafales lost, Rakesh lost his mind too.

Just not engaging with him SOLVES 80% of the problems

 

[SABRE]

IMO the larger surface fleet will likely see more work in CTFs, Regional Maritime Patrols (RMP), and a potential regional Pak-KSA naval apparatus than the PN's wartime A2/AD.

This reads like you left the script on a cliff hanger.

 

[Oscar]

This reads like you left the script on a cliff hanger.

Not exactly
That’s generally been the primary case of the surface fleet. There is a reason why traditionally there has always been a driver of better education and the need to “Be an officer and a gentleman” in the Navy(and Air Force) compared to the Army.

The Navy foremost serves as a “non commissioned” arm of the diplomatic corps of most countries with coasts representing goodwill building and recognition.

Port visits, Sea lane policing and guaranteeing joint economic interests is part of it.

If anything, the Navy has a more active peacttime role even if every conflict for Pakistan has settled

 

[SABRE]

Not exactly
That’s generally been the primary case of the surface fleet. There is a reason why traditionally there has always been a driver of better education and the need to “Be an officer and a gentleman” in the Navy(and Air Force) compared to the Army.

The Navy foremost serves as a “non commissioned” arm of the diplomatic corps of most countries with coasts representing goodwill building and recognition.

Port visits, Sea lane policing and guaranteeing joint economic interests is part of it.

If anything, the Navy has a more active peacttime role even if every conflict for Pakistan has settled

What I meant by cliff hanger was that he probably had more on his mind than what he had written.