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We need to be honest with ourselves here, POF and HIT are just churning out 1990s level equipment, its cringe even watching the stalls at arms shows.

PAC and Karachi Shipyard are manufacturing modern kits others want to buy....
True, just like I said and I think people agree that both HIT and POF lack any revolutionary or modern systems and ideas. The only good thing we saw recently from HIT is the SPH 155mm deal for the Saudi.
 
True, just like I said and I think people agree that both HIT and POF lack any revolutionary or modern systems and ideas. The only good thing we saw recently from HIT is the SPH 155mm deal for the Saudi.

Yeah, POF is needed as we are self sufficient for ammunition to the point we export a lot, HIT just seems to be a unit to assemble Chinese equipment now....
 
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Not specifically related to this thread, but are all government sites blocked from being accessed outside Pakistan? I can't access the HIT, ISPR, MOD, MOFA or any other site.
 
Looks like HIT is now starting to design and assemble UAVs as well. They've set up a new factory called UASF. Also found a LinkedIn of a person who works there and it looks like it's under ARDIC or associated with it.

 

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Looks like HIT is now starting to design and assemble UAVs as well. They've set up a new factory called UASF. Also found a LinkedIn of a person who works there and it looks like it's under ARDIC or associated with it.


This is actually BAD news, this level of fragmentation does more harm than good... HIT should stick to what it is doing and let other institutions produce platforms at scale and volume in a cost effective manner..
 
This is actually BAD news, this level of fragmentation does more harm than good... HIT should stick to what it is doing and let other institutions produce platforms at scale and volume in a cost effective manner..
These are very small UAVs. There's no interinstitutional duplication in this case, I think.
 
These are very small UAVs. There's no interinstitutional duplication in this case, I think.

Why allow HIT to take funding from the central government to setup a new cottage industry of making small drones?. Why not allow that money to go into whoever is currently the largest UAV manufacturer in UAV's in Pakistan so that they can scale upwards even better so that they can have even better economies of scale?

The fact that this was allowed to happen, shows to me a lack of thought and joined up big picture thinking in the armed forces.
 
We need to be honest with ourselves here, POF and HIT are just churning out 1990s level equipment, its cringe even watching the stalls at arms shows.

PAC and Karachi Shipyard are manufacturing modern kits others want to buy....

agreed Pakistan does not have industrial strength when it comes to POF and HIT

they need to work on this but I simply think the deep heavy industrial power is not something we can even achieve
 
Why allow HIT to take funding from the central government to setup a new cottage industry of making small drones?. Why not allow that money to go into whoever is currently the largest UAV manufacturer in UAV's in Pakistan so that they can scale upwards even better so that they can have even better economies of scale?

The fact that this was allowed to happen, shows to me a lack of thought and joined up big picture thinking in the armed forces.
The thing is, people really sleep on HIT.

I would even argue HiT is the model for others to replicate, esp PAC and co.

HIT buys off the shelf, first few batches, works on how it can source from local vendors the same kit and eventually kick the OEM out of the supply chain, actually localising production. For example, a bunch of VT4 kit is all locally sourced, the numbers are on the related thread. While PAC imports every nut and bolt through the life cycle, not locally building capacity, HIT imports, then brings the production local.

In terms of drones, as jamd has said, theres a dime a dozen of these kinds of companies producing drones. Most get very small orders, the big ones will be service arm affiliated like AWC etc or either the legacy players.

The thing is, you have too many players involved when it comes to tri services procurement of these things. Also, consider the different operational role. We dont really know what HiT is planning, but lets say the PAF shoves Yiha down the army's throat, how does that align with its needs? Probably not very well.

in the same way, FPV drones etc wouldnt align with the PAF's needs, but would with the army.

I think the key here is being able to build components locally that can be spread across, adapted to the different designs and req's of the tri service arms.

ALSO, FWIW, i recall there being a report/screetching from India to Europe with regards to the setup of a production line at Heavy Industries Taxila for the local production of a European MALE UAV ToT. I think it did carry some weight, we're probably looking at Germany or Italy here. Pakistan has both great relations with AeroData who have a design and obviously Leonardo.
 
This is actually BAD news, this level of fragmentation does more harm than good... HIT should stick to what it is doing and let other institutions produce platforms at scale and volume in a cost effective manner..

Why allow HIT to take funding from the central government to setup a new cottage industry of making small drones?. Why not allow that money to go into whoever is currently the largest UAV manufacturer in UAV's in Pakistan so that they can scale upwards even better so that they can have even better economies of scale?

The fact that this was allowed to happen, shows to me a lack of thought and joined up big picture thinking in the armed forces.
IIRC ARDIC doesn't do much, if any, major production work. In a lot of cases, ARDIC actually does serious indigenization work (either via original R&D or reverse-engineering), and then licenses out the know-how to others, which could include HIT or the private sector.

In fact, of Pakistan's SOEs, HIT does the best job now (followed by NRDI) in looping in the private sector for work. Sure, they don't take platform-level stuff (e.g., tanks, AFVs, etc) from the private sector seriously and would assemble those at HIT. But they'll outsource quite a bit of upstream work (specific parts, subassemblies, etc) to private companies.
 

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