How China blew up its own future

LOL. There can be no agreement or disagreement about a mathematical fact such as the dependency ratio based upon the population pyramid of a country, only denial. That is your choice. It is not my problem to solve.

You sure ?

There are economists who says loan based business model is bad, then there are economists who says it's good for growth. Corporate taxes are termed as good by some while bad by other economists. There can be disagreements in mathematical aspects as well.

So again, lets just agree to disagree.
 
There are economists who says loan based business model is bad, then there are economists who says it's good for growth. Corporate taxes are termed as good by some while bad by other economists. There can be disagreements in mathematical aspects as well.
"Loan" is a standard Western term and operating model. This concept never existed in Chinese history and culture. It was only after China opened up to the world in modern times and learned from Western economies that this operating model began to be used.

In traditional Chinese culture, we only had the concept of a "pawnshop." It required you to provide 100% of the value of goods in exchange for 30-60% in currency. Traditional Chinese culture places great emphasis on "trust." Once a person loses the "trust" of society, it's equivalent to "death." No one used this to exchange for money.

Ironically, many Westerners now use this model, originating from Western economics, to criticize China.
 
US GDP is sort of inflated. Higher its inflations, its GDP increases also greater. US can just print money as it pleases, that helps too. US is never going to let other country takes up number one spot in GDP, lol.

Indeed.

China economic complexity is far ahead of USA.

In economic term, China economy is far more developed compared to USA.

The more USA rises the USD value, the more it will hit their own economic development.

USA looks rich but economically empty.

I use the word "far" in comparison, because it's the reality.
 
You sure ?

Yes, I am sure about the mathematical calculation of the dependency ratio based upon the population pyramid of a country, and the long term effects thereof on a country.

What your example relate to is realm of economics, and none of those are applicable to the demographic trends I am pointing out, except to follow them.

Just like Pakistan's economic well-being is held hostage by its rapid population growth, that of China and Japan and South Korea and Italy is dependent on their long term demographic trends, and they are unmistakable.

As I said, what you wish to believe is entirely up to you, and not my problem to solve.
 
USA GDP 30 Trillion $
CHINA GDP 21 Trillion $
You need to catch up

If China successfully breaks this loop
(Global Mandate, Artificial Demand and
The Debt Loop (Petrodollar Recycling)),
the international demand for the dollar drops significantly, US borrowing costs skyrocket, and the ability for the US to easily fund its $34+ trillion national debt takes a severe hit.
 
Is that so? And just how did you determine such a gem of wisdom, please? (Central Party Press Releases do not count. :D )
Maybe it's from the comparison of life expectancy between China and the United States. ChatGPT answers:

This Phenomenon Can Be Verified Using Official and Reliable Data Sources​

To examine whether this phenomenon is real, we can look at two key indicators: life expectancy and healthcare spending.

1. Life Expectancy​

According to data from the World Bank and the World Health Organization (WHO):
CountryLife Expectancy at BirthNotes
China77.8–78.0 yearsSlightly above the global average
United States76.8–77.0 yearsLowered by factors such as drug overdoses, obesity, and violence
Sources:
  • World Bank – Life Expectancy at Birth
  • WHO Global Health Observatory
Conclusion:
By the mid-2020s, China's average life expectancy was indeed slightly higher than that of the United States, by roughly 0.5–1 year.

2. Healthcare Spending​

According to data from the World Bank and OECD:
CountryHealth Expenditure (% of GDP)Per Capita Health Spending (PPP)
China6.0–6.5%Approximately $1,100–$1,200
United States17–18%Approximately $12,000–$13,000
Sources:
  • World Bank – Health Expenditure (% of GDP)
  • OECD Health Statistics
Conclusion:
The United States spends nearly three times as much of its GDP on healthcare as China and roughly ten times more per person. Yet its life expectancy is only similar to, or in some years slightly lower than, China's.

3. Additional Supporting Evidence​

Obesity Rate​

  • United States: approximately 40–42% of adults
  • China: approximately 16–18% of adults

Infant Mortality Rate​

  • China: about 5 deaths per 1,000 live births
  • United States: about 5.5–6 deaths per 1,000 live births

Drug Overdose Deaths​

  • United States: more than 100,000 deaths annually in recent years due to the opioid and overdose crisis
  • China: far lower by comparison
These factors have a significant impact on national life expectancy.

Overall Conclusion​

The data from major international organizations show that:
  1. China's life expectancy is now roughly equal to, and in some years slightly higher than, that of the United States.
  2. China spends far less on healthcare than the United States, both as a share of GDP and on a per-capita basis.
  3. America's advantage in advanced medical technology has not translated into a correspondingly higher life expectancy for the population as a whole.
In other words, this phenomenon is real and measurable.
A plausible explanation is that:
  • The United States faces heavier health burdens from obesity, chronic disease, drug overdoses, and violent deaths.
  • China has achieved relatively strong results through public health measures, preventive care, and broad access to basic healthcare services.
  • Differences in healthcare efficiency and resource allocation also play an important role.

A One-Sentence Summary​

China achieves a life expectancy comparable to, and in some years slightly higher than, that of the United States while spending only a fraction as much on healthcare. This suggests that healthcare outcomes depend not only on how much a country spends, but also on public health, lifestyle factors, and the efficiency of its healthcare system.
 
Maybe it's from the comparison of life expectancy between China and the United States.

So how does one conclude the following from such a comparison?

"USA looks rich but economically empty."

(As I said, Communist Party Press Releases echoed mindlessly do not count.)

Here is what ChatGPT says:

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The statement "The USA looks rich but economically empty" is a provocative rhetorical claim rather than a precise economic description. While it reflects concerns about debt, deindustrialization, inequality, or financialization, it does not withstand careful scrutiny when evaluated against standard measures of economic capacity, productivity, innovation, and wealth creation.

The Conceptual Problem​

The phrase conflates two different concepts:

  1. Visible wealth — consumption, financial assets, high incomes, and infrastructure.
  2. Underlying economic substance — productive capacity, technological leadership, human capital, and institutional strength.
To argue that the United States is "economically empty" requires demonstrating that its apparent wealth lacks a productive foundation. The available evidence suggests the opposite.

1. The United States Retains Exceptional Productive Capacity​

An economically "empty" country would be unable to produce goods and services at a high level or sustain its living standards without external support.

The United States remains the world's largest economy by nominal GDP and among the most productive economies per worker. American firms dominate high-value sectors including:

  • Advanced software
  • Artificial intelligence
  • Aerospace
  • Biotechnology
  • Semiconductor design
  • Financial services
  • Entertainment and intellectual property
The value generated by companies such as Apple Inc., Microsoft, NVIDIA, and Alphabet Inc. derives not from appearance or speculation alone but from globally demanded products and services.

A nation that consistently creates technologies adopted worldwide cannot accurately be described as economically empty.

2. Intangible Capital Is Still Real Capital​

Critics often argue that America has replaced "real production" with finance, software, and intellectual property.

This argument relies on an outdated industrial conception of wealth.

Modern economies increasingly derive value from:

  • Research and development
  • Patents
  • Software
  • Data
  • Brands
  • Scientific knowledge
  • Organizational expertise
The design of a semiconductor architecture, a pharmaceutical molecule, or an AI model may generate more economic value than many traditional manufacturing activities.

The United States specializes precisely in these high-value activities.

An economy is not empty simply because its most valuable outputs are intellectual rather than physical.

3. Innovation Remains a Core Strength​

Historically, economic power has depended upon the ability to innovate.

The United States continues to lead in:

  • Venture capital investment
  • Research universities
  • Scientific publications
  • Startup formation
  • Nobel Prizes in scientific fields
  • Commercialization of new technologies
Institutions such as Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Stanford University, and National Institutes of Health form part of an innovation ecosystem unmatched in scale.

An economically empty society would struggle to generate frontier technologies; the United States continues to produce them at a remarkable rate.

4. Reserve Currency Status Reflects Confidence, Not Illusion​

Some critics contend that American wealth exists only because the U.S. dollar serves as the world's reserve currency.

While reserve currency status provides advantages, it is more accurately viewed as a consequence of economic strength than a substitute for it.

The dollar's role rests on:

  • Deep capital markets
  • Strong legal institutions
  • Political stability relative to alternatives
  • Economic scale
  • Military and geopolitical influence
If the United States were truly economically hollow, global investors would not continue to hold dollar-denominated assets in such quantities.

Reserve currency status may amplify American power, but it did not create it from nothing.

5. Economic Weaknesses Do Not Equal Economic Emptiness​

The statement gains plausibility because it points toward real problems:

  • Rising public debt
  • Wealth inequality
  • Infrastructure deficits in some regions
  • Manufacturing job losses
  • Housing affordability challenges
  • Financialization of portions of the economy
These are significant concerns.

However, the existence of structural weaknesses does not imply the absence of economic substance.

A distinction must be made between:

  • An economy facing long-term challenges.
  • An economy lacking productive foundations.
The United States clearly falls into the first category rather than the second.

6. Comparative Perspective Matters​

If the United States is economically empty, then one must explain why it continues to outperform many advanced economies in:

  • GDP growth
  • Labor productivity growth
  • Venture capital attraction
  • University rankings
  • Technology leadership
  • Energy production
Many countries possess lower debt ratios or stronger social cohesion, yet few combine scale, innovation, capital formation, and geopolitical influence to the same degree.

Economic analysis is comparative. Relative to its peers, the United States remains one of the world's most economically dynamic societies.

Conclusion​

The claim that "the USA looks rich but economically empty" is best understood as a critique of perceived structural weaknesses rather than an accurate economic assessment. While the United States faces genuine challenges—debt accumulation, inequality, and certain forms of deindustrialization—it continues to possess immense productive capacity, technological leadership, innovative strength, and institutional depth. Its wealth is not merely cosmetic; it rests on a broad foundation of human capital, intellectual property, entrepreneurship, and global economic integration.

A more defensible academic formulation would be:

"The United States remains profoundly wealthy and productive, but faces growing questions about the sustainability and distribution of that wealth."
That statement captures real concerns without resorting to the analytically imprecise notion of economic emptiness.
 
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Good for you.

Yes, I know that already. But it does not make up for the utter lack of a logical basis for what you claim, and neither does it help China's predicament over its long term demographic deterioration, as a direct consequence of its One Child Policy, the champion decision of the good old "It Seemed Like A Great Idea At That Time" School of Retrospective Wisdom.
 
Chinese population always has ups and downs throughout her thousands of years history, it's nothing unusual.
The true demographic disaster waiting to happen is US, after white population become the minority soon before we realised, US will break into many small states no longer united. US lacks the blood and ethnicity bond that hold together nations for most of the normal countries.
 
Chinese population always has ups and downs throughout her thousands of years history, it's nothing unusual.
The true demographic disaster waiting to happen is US, after white population become the minority soon before we realised, US will break into many small states no longer united. US lacks the blood and ethnicity bond that hold together nations for most of the normal countries.

The long term demographics of USA are far, far better than those of China. What you say above is simply your malicious hopes, and not much else.

USA is more than just its white population, but then again, a member of a xenophobic closed society for thousands of years simply would not be able to comprehend what E Pluribus Unum means.
 
The long term demographics of USA are far, far better than those of China. What you say above is simply your malicious hopes, and not much else.

USA is more than just its white population, but then again, a member of a xenophobic closed society for thousands of years simply would not be able to comprehend what E Pluribus Unum means.
How long a history US has? stop talking about long term which you don't really have.
US demographic is time bomb for implosion, its cracks have already shown, only those who are totally blind can't see them.
 
It's a perfect timing that China's 1.4 billion population slowly started to decline entering AI and robotic era. it'll be very hard for big population nations to provide enough jobs for their younger generations soon in the future. Increasing population is actually a real time bomb.

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