How US' New Missile Will Be A Game Changer In Indo-Pacific

[Michael]

Without any consequence to the Chinese military targets? Almost all Chinese military targets are within 150 kilometers of the coastlines, and relentless salvoes of Tomahawks or similar systems can saturate and neutralize them.

It's exactly the opposite of what you think.

The U.S. military is retreating in batches of troops deployed in the forward line in the direction of Guam, Hawaii and other directions, keeping only a small number of troops.

After China shut down the Sino-US military hotline, the US military strongly demanded that China restore the military hotline through various channels, so that their brawl of force would not be regarded by China as a signal for war.

It is the military personnel who really know the opponent in the "friendly exchanges" of the two sides on the front line. It's not those fat-headed guys sitting in the office, and it's not the guys who type keyboards in front of a computer.

 

[Alter_Ego]

Without any consequence to the Chinese military targets? Almost all Chinese military targets are within 150 kilometers of the coastlines, and relentless salvoes of Tomahawks or similar systems can saturate and neutralize them.

Didnt say american cant do damage to coastal China, which of course it can.
China simply have a huge multispectrum home advantage.

 

[Saudang]

If it was so easy US would have done it 100x by now but they remember Korean war and how they got kicked out of North Korea by Chinese with chopsticks and machetes

It's as easy as the Chinese day dream of destroying USN assets and bases without any consequences

 

[Saudang]

It's exactly the opposite of what you think.

The U.S. military is retreating in batches of troops deployed in the forward line in the direction of Guam, Hawaii and other directions, keeping only a small number of troops.

After China shut down the Sino-US military hotline, the US military strongly demanded that China restore the military hotline through various channels, so that their brawl of force would not be regarded by China as a signal for war.

It is the military personnel who really know the opponent in the "friendly exchanges" of the two sides on the front line. It's not those fat-headed guys sitting in the office, and it's not the guys who type keyboards in front of a computer.

I guess the last sentence describes you well

 

[Saudang]

Didnt say american cant do damage to coastal China, which of course it can.
China simply have a huge multispectrum home advantage.

As off now, Chinese Power projection capabilities beyond the first island chain is almost insignificant, where as US can fight China just beyond their home ground and cripple it in long term

 

[Alter_Ego]

As off now, Chinese Power projection capabilities beyond the first island chain is almost insignificant, where as US can fight China just beyond their home ground and cripple it in long term

Maybe but now youre moving the goalpost. Second Island chain is far away from coastal China.

Chinese non-nuclear missiles can hit well within second island chain, and beyond. If we take into account the numerous chinese Destroyers, i dont see what prevent power projection in second Island chain or even further.

 

[LeGenD]

If it was so easy US would have done it 100x by now but they remember Korean war and how they got kicked out of North Korea by Chinese with chopsticks and machetes

This is not a sound logic. The US can attack and annex Cuba and transform it to a military outpost but the US has not done it. So Cuba is stronger than the US?

In the Korean War, China, North Korea, and Soviet Union were collectively fighting the US-led forces and reached Seoul but US-led forces regrouped and pushed communist forces back to the 38th parallel and it was redrawn in such a way that the war was settled with South Korea having more territory than ever before.

The US was not interested in expanding the war to China proper in the Korean War and the US will not attack China in current times for chest-thumping reasons. The US will support Australia, Japan, and South Korea for sure but nothing certain about Taiwan and Philippines.

It looks like China and Philippines have tensions and the US has not stepped up for the Philippines because it recalls Duterte. The US recalls Duterte having anti-US stance and will not mind Philippines take some blows from China. The US liberated Philippines from the Spanish Empire in the 18th century to create a lasting partnership with Philippines but Duterte's politics did not sit well with the US. Now the US wants China to throw punches at Philippines so that it remembers American value lol.

 

[Michael]

This is not a sound logic. The US can attack and annex Cuba and transform it to a military outpost but the US has not done it. So Cuba is stronger than the US?

In the Korean War, China, North Korea, and Soviet Union were collectively fighting the US-led forces and reached Seoul but US-led forces regrouped and pushed communist forces back to the 38th parallel and it was redrawn in such a way that the war was settled with South Korea having more territory than ever before.

The US was not interested in expanding the war to China proper in the Korean War and the US will not attack China in current times for chest-thumping reasons. The US will support Australia, Japan, and South Korea for sure but nothing certain about Taiwan and Philippines.

It looks like China and Philippines have tensions and the US has not stepped up for the Philippines because it recalls Duterte. The US recalls Duterte having anti-US stance and will not mind Philippines take some blows from China. The US liberated Philippines from the Spanish Empire in the 18th century to create a lasting partnership with Philippines but Duterte's politics did not sit well with the US. Now the US wants China to throw punches at Philippines so that it remembers American value lol.

You need to revisit the historical data. The material is now public, and the English version of Wikipedia, though partially biased, is mostly true. You need to re-read this history.

1. In 1949, for various reasons, Korea was severely short of troops. Kim Il Sung appealed to the Chinese government for assistance in sending ethnic Korean soldiers from the PLA back to North Korea. The Chinese government sent three Korean divisions of the Fourth Field Army back to North Korea and handed them over to Kim Il-sung. The army was so powerful that Kim Il Sung was emboldened enough to start the Korean War. They defeated the South Korean army in a very short time and trapped the South Koreans in the small town of Busan.

2. The United States led many countries into the war in the name of the United Nations. MacArthur's words were to lead the army to the Yalu River. The exact words of the Chinese government are that the UN forces shall not cross the 38th parallel, and if the UN forces cross the 38th parallel, China will enter the war!---------------------In the later war between the United States and Vietnam, China also warned the U.S. not to cross the 17th parallel. This time, the Americans obeyed and did not cross this red line drawn by the Chinese from start to finish....................

3. By the time the Chinese People's Volunteers entered Korea, the Korean army was completely out of combat, and they did not fight on some marginal battlefields until the very end of the Korean War. More often than not, the Korean People's Army has only symbolic troops fighting alongside the Chinese People's Volunteers. On the contrary, it was the Korean people who provided the Chinese People's Volunteers with a large amount of material aid and supply help. Throughout the war, the Soviet Union only sent the Soviet Air Force to participate in air combat in the name of the Chinese Air Force in the middle and late stages of the war. The Soviet Union did not commit any ground troops to the Korean War. The Soviet arms to China were all loan deals, and it took many years after the war for China to pay off those debts.

4. The war ended at the 38th parallel. The initial goal of the United States was to push the front to the Yalu River, which obviously did not happen. China's goal is to maintain the 38th parallel. Who wins and who loses?

These histories are no secret, and all are confirmed by evidence. You can find out about it in many ways.

 

[LeGenD]

You need to revisit the historical data. The material is now public, and the English version of Wikipedia, though partially biased, is mostly true. You need to re-read this history.

1. In 1949, for various reasons, Korea was severely short of troops. Kim Il Sung appealed to the Chinese government for assistance in sending ethnic Korean soldiers from the PLA back to North Korea. The Chinese government sent three Korean divisions of the Fourth Field Army back to North Korea and handed them over to Kim Il-sung. The army was so powerful that Kim Il Sung was emboldened enough to start the Korean War. They defeated the South Korean army in a very short time and trapped the South Koreans in the small town of Busan.

2. The United States led many countries into the war in the name of the United Nations. MacArthur's words were to lead the army to the Yalu River. The exact words of the Chinese government are that the UN forces shall not cross the 38th parallel, and if the UN forces cross the 38th parallel, China will enter the war!---------------------In the later war between the United States and Vietnam, China also warned the U.S. not to cross the 17th parallel. This time, the Americans obeyed and did not cross this red line drawn by the Chinese from start to finish....................

3. By the time the Chinese People's Volunteers entered Korea, the Korean army was completely out of combat, and they did not fight on some marginal battlefields until the very end of the Korean War. More often than not, the Korean People's Army has only symbolic troops fighting alongside the Chinese People's Volunteers. On the contrary, it was the Korean people who provided the Chinese People's Volunteers with a large amount of material aid and supply help. Throughout the war, the Soviet Union only sent the Soviet Air Force to participate in air combat in the name of the Chinese Air Force in the middle and late stages of the war. The Soviet Union did not commit any ground troops to the Korean War. The Soviet arms to China were all loan deals, and it took many years after the war for China to pay off those debts.

4. The war ended at the 38th parallel. The initial goal of the United States was to push the front to the Yalu River, which obviously did not happen. China's goal is to maintain the 38th parallel. Who wins and who loses?

These histories are no secret, and all are confirmed by evidence. You can find out about it in many ways.

I wrote a detailed article about the Korean War in the older forum. I shed light on all phases of the war with high quality footage and maps. But I did not port it to this forum.

Both China and the US have notable accomplishments in the Korean War that I fully acknowledge. I point out certain things to address some statements in a post of another member.

Soviet Air Power attempted to check and reduce pressure of American Air strikes on Chinese and North Korean troops on the ground, and many Soviet pilots lost their lives while providing air cover to Chinese and North Korean troops on the ground. This was by no means a small contribution to the North Korean war effort. The notion of combined forces is not limited to troops on the ground, mate.

 

[Michael]

I wrote a detailed article about the Korean War in the older forum. I shed light on all phases of the war with high quality footage and maps. But I did not port it to this forum.

Both China and the US have notable accomplishments in the Korean War that I fully acknowledge. I point out certain things to address some statements in a post of another member.

Soviet Air Power attempted to check and reduce pressure of American Air strikes on Chinese and North Korean troops on the ground, and many Soviet pilots lost their lives while providing air cover to Chinese and North Korean troops on the ground. This was by no means a small contribution to the North Korean war effort. The notion of combined forces is not limited to troops on the ground, mate.

These words about me are in response to your earlier remarks.

1. The Korean War was essentially a frontal war between China and the United States on the Korean Peninsula. The other troops in the UN force, without much war value, are symbolic, and some countries even send only a few soldiers to fight on behalf of their countries. The Soviet Union and the Korean People's Army are also of limited practical use.

The Soviet Union did enter the war with an air force, but by the middle and late stages of the air war, most of the aircraft were already sold to China by the Soviet Union and the pilots trained by the Soviet Union. The PLAAF's current flagship flight group, Wang Hai Group, is derived from Wang Hai, a decorated Chinese pilot from this war.

From a diplomatic point of view, it can indeed be said that the combined forces of China, North Korea and the Soviet Union versus the United Nations army. But from a military point of view, the essence is China and the United States, and they are the substantive protagonists of this war.

2, the United States does have the war of expanding into the Chinese thoughts and actions, just, after their multinational 38 degrees line, China war, prevented their actions in a timely manner.

At that time, the PLA did not have enough air forces to fight the war.

In the early days of the war, American planes bombed the entire northern part of the Korean Peninsula. At the same time, they also bombed the border areas of China. The bridge between China and North Korea has been blown up. To commemorate this memorable battle, China and North Korea have preserved the remains of the blown up bridge. You can still see traces of the war through it today.


OK, let's get back to the point and don't stray too far.

 

[Hendarto]

..and you know this because? Well, you speak with so much confidence so the naive reader will likely assume you are an expert on modern air combat. Break it down for us, you claim the J-20 can shoot down the ’carrier’ before the ’carrier’ detects the J-20? Tell us how, what is the detection range of the J-20 radar?
At what range can the Chinese radar track the ‘carrier’? Remember a radars detection range is higher than the range at which it can track a hostile. Do you have these numbers for the J-20 from a reliable source?

Besides, you assume the ‘carrier’ will have to detect, track and guide its own missile this assumption is wrong. The launching platform i.e. the ‘carrier’ does not have to do any of it. Another asset, a drone a stealth fighter or a naval vessel can command the launch of the missile carried by the F-15 OR F/A SH-18 and guide the missile to its target while the ‘carrier’ remains beyond the reach of the J-20.

We don't have much info about Chinese AESA radar what we do know is that J20 radom is bigger than F-22 So they should be able to carry more T/R modules. The other thing is F-22 AESA is GaAs while J20 AESA is probably 2 generations ahead GaAs->Ga-Ni->GaOx->GA- software enabler

 

[Beijingwalker]

I wrote a detailed article about the Korean War in the older forum

Some people wrote a book about it.

 

[LeGenD]

Some people wrote a book about it.

Books are subjective unless peer-reviewed for content quality and accuracy. Many write books for personal fame and income. I can write a book too.

The US wanted to liberate South Korea in the Korean War and accomplished this mission. General MacArthur's suggestion for expanding the war to China was not accepted by his superiors in the US. End of.

It is not wise to push an argument in the face of independently verifiable information and facts, mate. It does not help.

 

[Beijingwalker]

The US wanted to liberate South Korea in the Korean War and accomplished this mission. General MacArthur's suggestion for expanding the war to China was not accepted by his superiors in the US. End of.

It is not wise to push an argument in the face of independently verifiable information and facts, mate. It does not help.

US pushed the troops to the very Chinese border and bombed towns and villages on the Chinese side of the border, what mission was this?

 

[LeGenD]

US pushed the troops to the very Chinese border and bombed towns and villages on the Chinese side of the border, what mission was this?

MacArthur's mission. Now shall I point out why he was sent home?

The US suffered North Korea like set backs in war with Germany and Japan as well but defeated both adversaries because it absolutely wanted to. There was a national consensus on these matters. But the US was not interested in expanding the war to China in the Korean war, there was no national consensus on this matter. Please read history fully and not selectively. Then you will understand.