Imran Khan 3 years in solitary confinement

[Desert]

Their goal is him dying in prison.

They want to Muhammad Morsi him, and pretend he never existed.

Always saying that,
same thing.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

It was fake news that momentarily brought happiness to the lives of khaki boot polishers.

Frankly, he is better than anyone leader in Pakistan for people of Pakistan

As per indian perspective, it does not matter PM is Imran or Nawad, because because all getting control from a single same remote controller. They don't hold much power when comes to international politics.

I was referring only as per Pakistani perspective, imran Khan might be better than others

 

[PakAl]

So you telling me establishment has this immense power yet they can't and aren't willing to fix Pakistan's problem.

At this rate they've presided over worst case of societal destruction in modern history, every human development metric proves this out, and there's no end to this nightmare. So any compromises and deals with this evil entity is a self-defeating proposition and I hope every Pakistani gets the same courage and fortitude as IK...

What i am saying is they didnt have immense power to make changes, how can you make major reforms when political class are unwilling or incompetence to make a chance or deliver. We all look at PM, President but what about the 1000s of MNAs, MPAs, their local teams, who is stopping them from delivering at the grassroot level, the answer is they are incompetent and corrupt to the core.

To move forward and to avoid political infighting, military coups we need political parties with long term visions, to work with all institutions to deliver for common Pakistanis. The grassroot level changes will take place when the people of Pakistan change, when they reject corruption, bribery culture, when they demand officiant governance.

 

[Goenitz]

who is stopping them from delivering at the grassroot level, the answer is they are incompetent and corrupt to the core.

the same military brass.
Every area has a sector commander (Brig level) with so many Cols underneath him. They favoured corrupt politicians, judges, ASI, ASP, patwaris, till chowkedar, so they can control them.
You know bureaucrats' FYR is submitted by the ISI now.
Also, there are internal reports and spying. Our neighbour applies to different organisations. He always gets selected and takes both salaries (WAPDA & ISI, Bank & ISI). His job is just to gather info and write personal file reports.

 

[PakAl]

the same military brass.
Every area has a sector commander (Brig level) with so many Cols underneath him. They favoured corrupt politicians, judges, ASI, ASP, patwaris, till chowkedar, so they can control them.
You know bureaucrats' FYR is submitted by the ISI now.

I am talking at the grassroot level, even at that level local dacoits loot people, misuse their power, bully and harass everyone. You cannot blame that on the military but its still happening, contract are given to politician favourites, if that politician doesnt give contract the contractor will then change political party or conspire against him. This exact same mentality goes from the grassroot level to the highest level of power.

 

[Goenitz]

I am talking at the grassroot level, even at that level local dacoits loot people, misuse their power, bully and harass everyone. You cannot blame that on the military but its still happening, contract are given to politician favourites, if that politician doesnt give contract the contractor will then change political party or conspire against him. This exact same mentality goes from the grassroot level to the highest level of power.

so who protects them? An MPA or some feudal-type personality in the end? Then he is shielded by some bureaucrats or agency personnel. A corrupt MPA and sub-councillors will also be corrupt automatically. Why on earth would they induct/appoint an honest officer or contractor etc!

There was a politician, Shafqat Rabera, from Punjab. He once killed his rivals by abducting them using police vehicles. He then fed them, tied them to trees, shot and burnt them. He was a feudal lord and MPA (90s).
Whose job is it to arrest him when the entire village and city knew about that?

Perhaps Punjabis are jahil also, like those killed in Surab, Balochistan. Otherwise, security forces must have taken action @hussain0216, to provide justice to the victims' families.
Every Patwari has a saviour, which traces back to some govt employees.

 

[FuturePAF]

Same with political parties, when not in power they sing songs of the establishment and once in power show their teeth. Nawaz Sharif/Zardari through experience learnt how to make deals but Imran PTI inexperience is what cost them, the international relations are the same, no nation cannot trust any other nation, betrayals one day and hug the other day is how the system works, powerful nations friend nations and then use and dump them. The loss belongs to Pakistan and its people, we need a political party that is patriotic and cares for its people, gives justice to its citizens.

Institutions are suppose to be in place to keep a check on personal ambitions of political parties or office holders in which ever government post while upholding national interests.

By making the political and judicial process a mockery, long term national interests get harmed, such as the upcoming GSP+ review and Pakistan’s ability to export and get loans.

While office holders may believe they deserve better compensation, suffocating the golden goose for all these decades has undermined so much and worn out the support of crucial allies and partners.

In Japan, for example, they have elections, but all parties understand the general goals of national development, as once outlined under MITI, a ministry, and plan accordingly.




It should jot be about patriotism, or even personalities, but how each party plans to execute on a development roadmap; they get to pick where to spend social/human development capital spending, while experts outline where to spend to achieve industrial/export oriented development.

Otherwise, this will forever be the theme song of politics in Pakistan:



P.s. at present a large plurality of lot a majority think only IK is will to challenge the status quo and offer an alternative to business as usual, which doesn’t work for 99% of Pakistanis.

That is his appeal, which the military over multiple leaderships enabled to come to the rise. They can’t wish him away without risking a larger problem; formally taking martial law (considering how they have throughly discredited PML-N and PPP) and upending the “stability” they have now.

Better to have a team from the military (and their subject matter experts) outlined what they see as long term national interests, and have the PTI (and their selected subject matter experts) outline how they would manage governance for the next 5 years, in accordance with what IK would approve giving his public approval to. Not a hybrid government, but a government that gets to actually run all affairs and take sole ownership for all the consequences. Only then can the Pakistani state rebuild things it has squandered (Public trust for example).

IMHO, having IK assume the presidency, follows through on a non-reprisal leadership with Asim Munir retirement, considering the two men can’t get past a personal animosity, is the best way to end the impasse. The public trust is the reason IK needs to be in an unremovable 5 year office where he enters office and then respectfully leaves office.

To be fair to the other parties, they too can nominate new leadership and also sit with the military team to be able to shape their political platforms, then all parties can run based on their platforms, and let the next government be shaped based on the votes each party gets. All will have policy positions based on accepted national interests. The oversight institutions can intervene to mitigate corruption and incompetence, but the policy will have to be set by the party/parties in power.

 

[clutch]

He brought it upon himself, with such Naivety and lack of political acumen. No doubt he was a populist leader, but clearly didnt heed past historical
Lessons from ayub to bhutto to zia to these current goons……politics is not for honest people…..

Correct, he wasn't corrupt enough, he wasn't Islamophobic enough, and he wasn't slavish enough.

You need to check off those criteria before becoming a leader of Pakistan

 

[GatlingGunZ]

Damn It's Boris Johnson tweeting.

 

[K2RULEZ]

Damn It's Boris Johnson tweeting.

Forget about Boris. Why doesn't India help considering how the Hindutva and Indian media's newly found love for Imran Khan?

I remember how the Indians used to mock and spread hatred against Imran Khan outside and on this forum very vividly. I guess changing sides isn't very difficult for the Indians.

 

[K2RULEZ]

Their goal is him dying in prison.

They want to Muhammad Morsi him, and pretend he never existed.

The reason I stopped mentioning Imran Khan is that he did it all to himself. He simply lacked the courage and foresight to make the truly difficult decisions. He wanted to bring about change from within a corrupt system. Well, guess what, crooks don't play by the rules. They operate outside the system, using every means available to derail progress. They succeeded and today Imran Khan is in jail, counting his days. When you try to act like Mother Teresa to bring about change, you're bound to get a reality check.

During Imran Khan's tenure, I openly expressed my concerns regarding his political trajectory. I frequently noted on the previous forum that treating corrupt elites and criminals with leniency would inevitably lead to his downfall. The outcome today is plain for all to see. What is the point in discussing Imran's downfall when he should have known the inevitable. It is adding salt to injury.

Argument could be made that even if Imran Khan tried playing the system shrewdly, it was bound to fail. Still, trying and failing beats doing nothing every day. At least then, inaction wouldn't be the core issue today.

Imran Khan would be lucky to be released and enjoy his days outside the jail if he ever gets out. This is the price you pay for trying to play by the rules. Let that be a lesson for everyone.

 

[GatlingGunZ]

Forget about Boris. Why doesn't India help considering how the Hindutva and Indian media's newly found love for Imran Khan?

I remember how the Indians used to mock and spread hatred against Imran Khan outside and on this forum very vividly. I guess changing sides isn't very difficult for the Indians.

Didn't change side, whoever is in power, will face hostility. Open X you will see Indians roasting Shahbaz for his beggar etc statements.
As an Indian I will promote every news which helps in creating Pakistan's image as military ran dictatorship who doesn't deserve GSP EBA status, IMF help. Jailing Imran Khan has only helped in that narrative.

 

[Master Chief]

Didn't change side, whoever is in power, will face hostility. Open X you will see Indians roasting Shahbaz for his beggar etc statements.
As an Indian I will promote every news which helps in creating Pakistan's image as military ran dictatorship who doesn't deserve GSP EBA status, IMF help. Jailing Imran Khan has only helped in that narrative.

Paragraph 1: will curse Pakistan whoever is in charge.

Paragraph 2: will curse Pakistan when nobody elected is in charge.

Remarkable. You told us everything we need to know about you and other Indians in one post. Why such honesty today?

 

[K2RULEZ]

Didn't change side, whoever is in power, will face hostility. Open X you will see Indians roasting Shahbaz for his beggar etc statements.
As an Indian I will promote every news which helps in creating Pakistan's image as military ran dictatorship who doesn't deserve GSP EBA status, IMF help. Jailing Imran Khan has only helped in that narrative.

My memory doesn't lie.

 

[Master Chief]

My memory doesn't lie.

Sunil Gavaskar says Abrar Ahmed signing 'contributes to deaths of Indians'

Former India captain Sunil Gavaskar says Sunrisers Leeds’ signing of Pakistan spinner Abrar Ahmed “indirectly contributes to the deaths of Indian soldiers and civilians”.

www.bbc.co.uk

The fact that Sunil Gavaskar is calling for Khan's release while simultaneously declaring all Pakistani taxpayers (including of course Mr Khan) to be directly responsible for the deaths of Indians tells you everything you need to know about Hindustanis and their faux outrage.

I don't doubt the appeals from many non-Indian sportsmen as coming from a place of true humanitarian concern.

But the Gavaskars and the @GatlingGunZ of this world just cannot be patient and professional enough to hide their true motives.