India and Brazil in initial talks for Tejas fighters, Dhruv helicopters and C390 transports

[MirageBlue]

In what is very interesting news, the Brazilian FAB is likely to consider the Tejas (Mk1A or Mk2 isn't sure) for it's F-5 replacement program.

Brazilian FAB Chief of Staff is in Bangalore and will get to sit in a Tejas cockpit for the first time. He stated in an interview that the Tejas will be considered for FAB's second or third fighter type.

Just recently there was talk that the FAB could look for second hand F-16s from the US to replace it's F-5s.

The most interesting aspect is that the FAB has rules that state it must have a minimum of at least 2 different fighter types in service or at the most 3 fighter types. Once the FAB retires it's F-5 fighters, it will be left with only the Gripen E, since the AMX too has retired from FAB service.

I hope they go in for the Tejas Mk2, although it will be a little costlier than the Tejas Mk1A, it's range and payload are going to be in the same range as the Gripen E, at a probable lower cost of acquisition.

What would work best is to tie the deal for C-390 transports for the IAF (between 40 to 80 units), a deal that is going to be even bigger than the number of C-390s Brazil operates, to a purchase of Tejas Mk1A or Mk2 fighters. A win-win for both countries.

India Brazil defence talks focus on Tejas, C390 and more

The Tejas Light Combat Aircraft, the Brazilian Embraer C-390 Millennium and Indian-made helicopters were on the agenda when the air force chiefs of Brazil and India met yesterday evening, as were joint work on drones and space satellites for surveillance. Air Chief Marshal V.R. Chaudhari and Lieutenant-brigadier Marcelo Kantiz Damasceno met yesterday evening. The Brazilians are considering the Tejas, the indigenously developed fighter aircraft and also, helicopters (Damasceno will be in Bangalore where Hindustan Aeronautics that makes the Dhruv and the Prachand) is headquartered. They also made the case for the C-390 medium transport aircraft, saying it compares favourably with the American C-130. Importantly, keeping in mind the Make in India regulations, Embraer, which manufactures the C-390, has two memorandum of understandings (MOU) with Mahindra: it could be manufactured here and exported, if there is an opportunity.

Speaking to Times Now, the Brazilian air chief made it clear that the Tejas was one of the options for his air force. "According to our rules, we should have not less than two and not more than three kinds of fighter aircraft. Currently, we have the F-5 and the Gripen, but after 2030, we will need maybe two more kinds as the F-5 goes. So, while the Gripen remains, the Tejas is one of the options for our second or third fighter plane," he said.

He will be in Bangalore, he said, looking at the Tejas for the first time and will be sitting in the aircraft. The Tejas is a single-engine multi-role fighter and the IAF has ordered over 200 of them. It is largely indigenous with the engine being GE's 404.

Helicopters are a major requirement for Brazil, Damasceno (a four-star general) said. "We have seven squadrons of 12 helicopters each and we are looking for more, perhaps 24 new choppers," he said. This will include choppers for a new squadron for the Amazon area and for flood relief. "We will consider Indian helicopters," he added.

 

[Pingle]

In what is very interesting news, the Brazilian FAB is likely to consider the Tejas (Mk1A or Mk2 isn't sure) for it's F-5 replacement program.

Brazilian FAB Chief of Staff is in Bangalore and will get to sit in a Tejas cockpit for the first time. He stated in an interview that the Tejas will be considered for FAB's second or third fighter type.

Just recently there was talk that the FAB could look for second hand F-16s from the US to replace it's F-5s.

The most interesting aspect is that the FAB has rules that state it must have a minimum of at least 2 different fighter types in service or at the most 3 fighter types. Once the FAB retires it's F-5 fighters, it will be left with only the Gripen E, since the AMX too has retired from FAB service.

I hope they go in for the Tejas Mk2, although it will be a little costlier than the Tejas Mk1A, it's range and payload are going to be in the same range as the Gripen E, at a probable lower cost of acquisition.

What would work best is to tie the deal for C-390 transports for the IAF (between 40 to 80 units), a deal that is going to be even bigger than the number of C-390s Brazil operates, to a purchase of Tejas Mk1A or Mk2 fighters. A win-win for both countries.

India Brazil defence talks focus on Tejas, C390 and more

Brazil and India too large countries with dense forests and long coastlines.... it's good to see a defence cooperation between both..... Tejas will be a good complement to their deadly Grippen NG with stormshaddows and Meteors....

 

[Justin TruDont]

C390 is a good platform

The only thing keeping it from being an outright winner is that IAF already operate 12 C130Js and are happy with its performance and Reliability

Lockheed Martin already has a tie up with Tata for manufacturing C130Js in India

Only thing that will guarantee a C390 victory is a 40 aircraft Tejas MK1A / MK2 order from Brazil.

Other wise this deal is going to USA

 

[MirageBlue]

C390 is a good platform

The only thing keeping it from being an outright winner is that IAF already operate 12 C130Js and are happy with its performance and Reliability

Lockheed Martin already has a tie up with Tata for manufacturing C130Js in India

Only thing that will guarantee a C390 victory is a 40 aircraft Tejas MK1A / MK2 order from Brazil.

Other wise this deal is going to USA

Be that as it may, the C-130J isn't the most modern transport out there now. The C-390 is a clean sheet design that has several benefits over the C-130J.

- it's powered by 2 turbofans versus the turboprops of the C-130J. Gives it higher top speed, which means time to destination is reduced.
- KC-390 tanker version will give the IAF a ready-made solution to it's major tanker shortage. The C-130J being slower is not as suitable for the tanker role as the faster KC-390.

 

[Dalit]

Are the Americans going to play their F-16 foul game or allow India to sell their fighters to Brazil?

 

[GatlingGun]

C390 -------LCA

Are the Americans going to play their F-16 foul game or allow India to sell their fighters to Brazil?

But US won't buy Brazilian MTA to keep Embraer afloat. Then India will have A400, considering C295 assembly has already begun.

 

[Guynextdoor]

Brazil considers itself at equal to size, influence and objectives to India. It has wanted both of us to ccoperate more, especially to help Brazil build an R&D base (especially with ISRO). I won't be surprised if they proceed with this deal with a future equal partnership deal for R&D between Brazil and India for development of fighters and weapons.

 

[FHN]

In what is very interesting news, the Brazilian FAB is likely to consider the Tejas (Mk1A or Mk2 isn't sure) for it's F-5 replacement program.

Brazilian FAB Chief of Staff is in Bangalore and will get to sit in a Tejas cockpit for the first time. He stated in an interview that the Tejas will be considered for FAB's second or third fighter type.

Just recently there was talk that the FAB could look for second hand F-16s from the US to replace it's F-5s.

The most interesting aspect is that the FAB has rules that state it must have a minimum of at least 2 different fighter types in service or at the most 3 fighter types. Once the FAB retires it's F-5 fighters, it will be left with only the Gripen E, since the AMX too has retired from FAB service.

I hope they go in for the Tejas Mk2, although it will be a little costlier than the Tejas Mk1A, it's range and payload are going to be in the same range as the Gripen E, at a probable lower cost of acquisition.

What would work best is to tie the deal for C-390 transports for the IAF (between 40 to 80 units), a deal that is going to be even bigger than the number of C-390s Brazil operates, to a purchase of Tejas Mk1A or Mk2 fighters. A win-win for both countries.

India Brazil defence talks focus on Tejas, C390

Not gonna happen with US made engine. Iaf should focus on expanding its fleet instead lol.

 

[TheAmerican]

Brazil has Gripen fighter jets.

Why would they need the failed Indian fighter?

 

[GatlingGun]

Not gonna happen with US made engine. Iaf should focus on expanding its fleet instead lol.

What logic is that ? Brazil bought Grippens previously, with US engine.

 

[FHN]

What logic is that ? Brazil bought Grippens previously, with US engine.

There are currently 0 Tejas mk1a in service because of engine delivery delayed. How is India able to export Tejas without having any to begin with? The US will have a final say in the end.

 

[Quwa]

The spoiler in this scenario is the KAI F/A-50.

Its got momentum via the Poland sale, and has a reputation for being the low-cost Western-aligned fighter.

Like the Tejas, the F/A-50 also leverages integration with a variety of Israeli munitions and systems, which the Brazilians use.

They can also slot in the T-50 as their LIFT.

 

[FHN]

One Tejas to Brazil is one less for IAF .

 

[GatlingGun]

There are currently 0 Tejas mk1a in service because of engine delivery delayed. How is India able to export Tejas without having any to begin with? The US will have a final say in the end.

Brazil is not Argentina. They have a functioning aerospace company Embraer, which also would like to sell C390 waiting for larger order to recoup the development cost.

 

[panzerfaust 3]

Brazil has Gripen fighter jets.

Why would they need the failed Indian fighter?

Cause we need them to!!!