India Blocks Turkey’s BRICS Bid Over Pakistan Ties

Someone wrote a fantasy piece of India blocking Turkey's entry. There is no information about anything but an unverified claim that India blocks Turkey because of Pakistan. But then why India didn't block UAE, Iran, KSA(aiming for membership with full support from India). Last time it was claimed that India blocked Algerias entry. You'll be surprised to know, the country against BRICS expansion is Brazil. India advocates a bylaw for BRICS and that's about it. No new members are considered, nobody is blocking anyone's membership.
 
Clearly India is playing a dubious role.
Obviously brother you speak with gravity and wisdom. Simple thing is India has had its bottom spanked by China at least once in 1962 and India is greedy try to take other countries land It is only natural that they should look to American and west in the hope that they will get support. I mean just look at the way they suck up to Israel a country of a few million when they are over a billion in the hope they get some protection.
 
Clearly India is playing a dubious role.
Look to the Saudis as well

In reality, the brics is just a talking shop, substantive achievements are to come

India will TRY to leverage BRICS to the west, but I don't think there is appetite for that

Interestingly since Trudeaux, Indian media has suddenly rediscovered its anti colonialist anti Anglo Saxon rhetoric......oooooh ok, now you want to talk like the global South, but enthusiastically support Israel as well 😂 an unambiguous settler COLONIAL project

It seems like neither here nor there, but I think the mirage of a middle ground will become too difficult to keep up




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Why Turkey’s joining BRICS should be welcomed​


It came as no surprise when Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan showed interest in joining the BRICS at the Johannesburg Summit recently on 27 July, where he was invited by the South African President Ramaphosa. BRICS would become BRICST if Turkey is allowed into the grouping. :coffee:

Loosely interpreted as a grouping comprising Emerging Market Economies that are trying to seek an alternative to the current international economic order, the BRICS represent some of the most populous and economically important countries of the global South. It now comprises Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. There are no rules of entry to the BRICS. Turkey is a large middle income country, a member of NATO, an Islamic nation and currently bearing a grouse against the EU and the US. It has challenged in the past the hegemony of the western countries in the world economic order and their dominance and control over the international financial institutions, the IMF and the World Bank. It has also challenged the supremacy of the dollar in the world financial system.

Turkey has challenged in the past the hegemony of the western countries in the world economic order and their dominance and control over the international financial institutions, the IMF and the World Bank. ☕
The BRICS summit in Johannesburg marked a decade of its existence. Even though nothing dramatic seems to be happening in BRICS summit meetings except reiteration of their pledges made in the past, they are an important marker of the challenges that the five are throwing at the workings of the current global order year after year. Throughout the year, about 100 meetings related to the BRICS are held in the country hosting the summit. There are leaders’ meetings and ministerial meetings along with their relevant working groups on diverse subjects from economy to climate change and culture. The meetings stress on democracy and pursue equality of voting rights in their working. Compared to the US dominated G7, BRICS functioning mechanism is more equal.

The rising protectionism in the western countries is hurting many of the BRICS members directly and indirectly. Thus it is not surprising that the BRICS members resolved to adapt the global order for a more Asia centric world at the Johannesburg meeting. Turkey obviously shares the BRICS declaration projecting stability and predictability of a rule based order threatened by US President Trump. China’s predicament is the worst in Trump’s recent moves towards his protectionist stance because its manufacturing capacity is the largest in the world in steel, machinery, chemicals, high-speed rail and aerospace. Its exports to the US ($505.6 billion last year) will be curtailed but so also its imports ($130.4 billion) comprising mainly of agricultural products. The BRICS members can benefit from the increase in imports from them instead of the US in the future. Brazil has benefited from China’s increase in imports of soyabeans and frozen pork after US imposed high tariffs on Chinese goods.

The rising protectionism in the western countries is hurting many of the BRICS members directly and indirectly. Thus it is not surprising that the BRICS members resolved to adapt the global order for a more Asia centric world at the Johannesburg meeting.
The members of the BRICS in Johannesburg also recommitted support for multilateralism and called upon all member countries of WTO to abide by its rules. They emphasised the central role of the UN in international affairs. They called upon all countries to fully implement the Paris Agreement. The grouping has tried hard again to reduce mutual ignorance among the member countries and has tried to increase and strengthen intra BRICS ties because even though all have strong economic ties with China, there are fewer ties among each other. Overcoming intra-BRICS obstacles of various kinds, especially in tourism, was also discussed in Johannesburg.

An important area where the BRICS members have pledged to cooperate is the Fourth Industrial Revolution. Challenges will emerge in the future in all BRICS members in the area of robotics, AI, block chains, nanotechnology, quantum computing and biotechnology, 3D printing, the Internet of Things and driverless vehicles. China has taken the global lead in many of these areas and collaborative research will be beneficial for all the members. Russia too has abundant expertise in military industry, higher education in science and technology and has excellent research institutions.

Turkey hopes to gain from the technology cooperation with the BRICS in the future. It has been trying to get a missile defence system with potential Chinese and Russian suppliers and also a third nuclear plant with Chinese technology. The Turkish economy is going through a rough patch currently because its exports are not doing well due to the instabilities in its neighborhood and contraction in demand for its products globally, especially after the failed coup attempt in July 2016. Its imports, especially from the BRICS members, have been rising and its current account deficit with them is the highest — mainly with China. A big support for Turkey’s membership to the BRICS has come from China. Turkey can hope to increase exports to BRICS members after joining the grouping. It can also access infrastructural development loans from the AIIB and the NDB, the two newly established BRICS banks.

Turkey hopes to gain from the technology cooperation with the BRICS in the future.
The group has been viewed as not being cohesive because India and China have had geopolitical confrontation along the borders in the recent past but it has now been overtaken by the declaration of mutual interests, strategic cooperation and collaboration in the last two BRICS summits.

On the whole, the dynamism displayed by BRICS members in the economic front cannot be denied. Russia was facing economic hardships in the past due to the steep fall in oil and gas prices, but it is on the path of recovery and growing at around 1.4 percent. The fundamentals of the BRICS are strong and stable, even though they are all facing domestic problems and challenges. They are all unique in being resource rich and have enormous potential for development.

The BRICS economic growth rate in 2016 was at 5 percent, higher than developing countries by 0.9 percent and higher than developed countries by 3.3 percentage points. They account for more than 30 percent of the global economy in overall size and their contribution to global growth reached 60 percent, far surpassing that of G7 economies. While the G7 is 40 years old, the BRICS is only a decade old. It will expand in the future and become stronger and have a voice in global governance and the international financial system. Turkey will add to its becoming more diverse, and due to its strategic location, an important addition.

 
Look to the Saudis as well

In reality, the brics is just a talking shop, substantive achievements are to come

India will TRY to leverage BRICS to the west, but I don't think there is appetite for that

Interestingly since Trudeaux, Indian media has suddenly rediscovered its anti colonialist anti Anglo Saxon rhetoric......oooooh ok, now you want to talk like the global South, but enthusiastically support Israel as well 😂 an unambiguous settler COLONIAL project

It seems like neither here nor there, but I think the mirage of a middle ground will become too difficult to keep up




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It IS comical, once we see how the Godi Media shifts its position and changes spasmodically, trying to keep up with the complete lack of policy foundation of the central government.

@Dalit has done what he knows how to do, create a troll-first post, but the difficulty is the kernel of truth in the view he presents. It is probably totally unfounded that Turkiye tried very hard, or that India tried to oppose that effort to get into BRICS, but what he seems to be pointing out is that Indian foreign policy seems to shift with bewildering rapidity, and has no compass at all, not even a self-centred compass.
 
It IS comical, once we see how the Godi Media shifts its position and changes spasmodically, trying to keep up with the complete lack of policy foundation of the central government.

@Dalit has done what he knows how to do, create a troll-first post, but the difficulty is the kernel of truth in the view he presents. It is probably totally unfounded that Turkiye tried very hard, or that India tried to oppose that effort to get into BRICS, but what he seems to be pointing out is that Indian foreign policy seems to shift with bewildering rapidity, and has no compass at all, not even a self-centred compass.
Yes, there is a kernel of truth.

I don't think India can credibly pivot back easily at the Asian table, support Israel in Gaza - materially and in fact spiritually (eye opener for many), but then dust off the ango Saxon supremacy spiel.... triggered by Trudeaux saying a few strong statements

This will not resonate positively
 
India, a lackey of the West and a country that doesn't even belong in BRICS is now blocking Turkey's bid to become a member of BRICS. The only spoiler and backstabber in BRICS is playing the role it has been assigned by the Western nations. Disrupt and destroy BRICS.

Well done India. Well done. Russia and China need to look at India very carefully. India is unreliable and frankly a major problem since it is in bed with the US and a firm member of the QUAD. India is the antithesis of China and Russia.
BRICS concept was designed by India.... India, China, Russia are the original founding partners of BRICS but brain behind this concept was India.... And you say India does not belong to BRICS?
 
BRICS concept was designed by India.... India, China, Russia are the original founding partners of BRICS but brain behind this concept was India.... And you say India does not belong to BRICS?


Well you are talking about two seperate entities effectively.



The first is one at the embryonic stage, RIC, and I don't know whether that was ever a thing before BRIC, but we are clearly at a BRICS+ development

India does ofcourse belong in BRICS+, which really is just south south, East east cooperation minus the dollar


The question is will India meaningfully join Russia and china to remove global dollar dependency

Russia and china are clear, they have no choice but to, India dunno
 
@Joe Shearer what do we think of this note, proud to have in your wallet, look India is right there😁

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Well you are talking about two seperate entities effectively.



The first is one at the embryonic stage, RIC, and I don't know whether that was ever a thing before BRIC, but we are clearly at a BRICS+ development

India does ofcourse belong in BRICS+, which really is just south south, East east cooperation minus the dollar


The question is will India meaningfully join Russia and china to remove global dollar dependency

Russia and china are clear, they have no choice but to, India dunno
India will never join any collision to completely corner America or to remove dollar at all.... India will always maintain balance between east and west and it has to be like that only.... China and Russia have their own issues with US and hence they are trying to come up with alternative system but they cannot expect India to join them fully and spoil relations with the west.... India will do so when it suits her interests not just because China and Russia want...
 
BRICS concept was designed by India.... India, China, Russia are the original founding partners of BRICS but brain behind this concept was India....
Lol, it's like an Indian PDFer likes to claim the British economist Jim O’Neill that coined BRIC is indeed an Indian.


History of BRICS​


BRICS is an informal group of states comprising the Federative Republic of Brazil, the Russian Federation, the Republic of India, the People’s Republic of China and the Republic of South Africa.

It was the Russian side that initiated the creation of BRICS.

On 20 September 2006, the first BRICS Ministerial Meeting was held at the proposal of Russian President Vladimir Putin on the margins of a UN General Assembly Session in New York. Foreign ministers of Russia, Brazil and China and the Indian Defence Minister took part in the meeting. They expressed their interest in expanding multilateral cooperation.

On 16 May 2008, Yekaterinburg hosted Meeting of BRICS Foreign Ministers on the initiative of Russia. After the meeting, a Joint Communique was issued, reflecting common stances on topical global development issues.

Another important step was taken on 9 July 2008, when Russian President Dmitry Medvedev met with Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Chinese President Hu Jintao on the margins of the G8 Summit in Toyako, Japan, on the Russian initiative.

On the Russian initiative on 16 June 2009, Yekaterinburg hosted the first BRIC Summit. BRIC Leaders issued a joint statement after the Summit. The document set forth the goals of BRIC “to promote dialogue and cooperation among our countries in an incremental, proactive, pragmatic, open and transparent way. The dialogue and cooperation of the BRIC countries is conducive not only to serving common interests of emerging market economies and developing countries, but also to building a harmonious world of lasting peace and common prosperity.” The document outlined a common perception of ways to cope with the global financial and economic crisis.





With GS Research Report, “BRICs” Are Born​

In 2001, Goldman Sachs’ Global Investment Research Division publishes the report, “Build Better Global Economic BRICs,” coining the acronym for the four countries that would reshape the world economy– Brazil, Russia, India and China.

Between 2000 and 2009, the pace of growth of emerging economies outpaced that of developed countries for the first time. A 2001 Goldman Sachs Economic Research report focused in on four rapidly growing emerging market countries specifically as key drivers of future global economic growth: Brazil, Russia, India and China. With “Building Better Global Economic BRICs,” a new term entered the investing vernacular.

The paper, authored by Jim O’Neill, then head of Global Economic Research, projected that over the coming 10 years, the weight of the “BRICs”—especially China—in world GDP would grow significantly, and thus so would the global economic impact of fiscal and monetary policy in the four countries. In line with these prospects, the paper argued that the G7 should be adjusted to incorporate BRIC representatives.


 
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Well Turkey under Erdogan should never be allowed in BRICS... its a threat to world peace.... see how they bombed Iraq and Syria yesterday for no fault of them....
 

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