India - China History and Relations

[Michael]

The same is then true for the USA and China on hostility

Hostility is based on information asymmetry between the two parties. This is true from person to person and from country to country.

The purpose of communication is to balance the information asymmetry between the two sides.

 

[r3alist]

Hostility is based on information asymmetry between the two parties. This is true from person to person and from country to country.

The purpose of communication is to balance the information asymmetry between the two sides.

Absurd! Please tell your Indian posters friends here their hostility to islam and Pakistan is "information asymmetry"

Hostility is based on real human motives for control and power of resources and people, predator prey, it's maybe as crude as that


If information is asymmetric, it's because humans want it to be

 

[r3alist]

USA has a long list of friends. China has some too

Friends?

You mean nations that do not have to worry about the USA because they are friends?

 

[Michael]

Absurd! Please tell your Indian posters friends here their hostility to islam and Pakistan is "information asymmetry"

Hostility is based on real human motives for control and power of resources and people, predator prey, it's maybe as crude as that


If information is asymmetric, it's because humans want it to be

You need to get serious about understanding the meaning of these two words.

Conquest: I want you to obey me. It's human nature, and you can also understand it as the true motivation of humans. Every individual in a group, whether animal or human, wants to be the leader of the group. It's the desire to conquer. It's common to both humans and animals.
Hostility: I'm going to get you "killed". Is derived from the asymmetry of information between the two parties. The meaning of “information” is a broad concept, which includes country, nation, public opinion, religion ................ Differences in the understanding of these concepts can lead to hostility between the two sides.

Animals protect their territory or food and show hostility when others of their kind approach. This is because it believes that others of its kind will compete for its territory or food. This is just what it thinks, the other kind may just be passing by, but it will still show hostility. This is classic information asymmetry. If it already knows clearly that others of its kind are just passing by, it will not show any hostility.

It is never in the nature of man or animal to kill their own kind directly. This is inconsistent with the most basic natural laws of survival.

 

[r3alist]

You need to get serious about understanding the meaning of these two words.

Conquest: I want you to obey me. It's human nature, and you can also understand it as the true motivation of humans. Every individual in a group, whether animal or human, wants to be the leader of the group. It's the desire to conquer. It's common to both humans and animals.
Hostility: I'm going to get you "killed". Is derived from the asymmetry of information between the two parties. The meaning of “information” is a broad concept, which includes country, nation, public opinion, religion ................ Differences in the understanding of these concepts can lead to hostility between the two sides.

Animals protect their territory or food and show hostility when others of their kind approach. This is because it believes that others of its kind will compete for its territory or food. This is just what it thinks, the other kind may just be passing by, but it will still show hostility. This is classic information asymmetry. If it already knows clearly that others of its kind are just passing by, it will not show any hostility.

It is never in the nature of man or animal to kill their own kind directly. This is inconsistent with the most basic natural laws of survival.

What a word salad of fluff.... Did you know that humans might be the only species that are capable to torture and abuse their own species for pleasure?

So your last para is just wrong

 

[Michael]

Did you know that humans might be the only species that are capable to torture and abuse their own species for pleasure?
So your last para is just wrong

Maybe you are of that species, but I certainly am not.
My opinion: humans aren't the species you're talking about either. The species you're talking about is not usually what we think of as human beings.

 

[r3alist]

It is never in the nature of man or animal to kill their own kind directly. This is inconsistent with the most basic natural laws of survival.

Maybe you are of that species, but I certainly am not.
My opinion: humans aren't the species you're talking about either. The species you're talking about is not usually what we think of as human beings.

If we are making grand standing comments on the nature of man, then you leave yourself open to being contradicted and corrected

Noticeably you did not say I was wrong

 

[nahtanbob]

The fact that you can ask such a question shows that you really don't have the ability to study the military and politics. You need to go and study hard.

Here's the easiest tip for you:
Which country has dumped the most U.S. Treasuries during difficult economic times in the U.S.?

The question is simple:
Which countries are considered as China's friends ?

I will answer the question for you
Pakistan
North Korea
Myanmar

You seem to be ashamed of the company you keep

 

[nahtanbob]

Friends?

You mean nations that do not have to worry about the USA because they are friends?

which country's leaders would consider China as a friend ?

 

[Paitoo]

I have no clue how India is viewed in China. We have no credible China experts who have lived in China for considerable period and are vocal. My guess is they don't really concern themselves much with our lot.

A few years back I used to follow Global Times, until my reading habits waned in general. I often found myself agreeing with their assessment. I can understand that the average Indian analyst doesn't find that tone (if not the content) agreeable. Perhaps due to the British legacy we are too accustomed to diplomatic language, where criticism is often laced with the customary token praise.

 

[Musings]

The question is simple:
Which countries are considered as China's friends ?

I will answer the question for you
Pakistan
North Korea
Myanmar

You seem to be ashamed of the company you keep

You seem to be selective with your self appointed answer. You neglect to mention Iran Russia Thailand, Serbia, Belarus, Mexico, Nepal, Chile, and most of Africa. Why cherry pick? Why attempt to portray a negative picture? This is without doubt the standard "i hate everything China" view certain indian members have on here.
On the other hand - why does India have crap relations with literally every single neighbour?

 

[Musings]

I have no clue how India is viewed in China. We have no credible China experts who have lived in China for considerable period and are vocal. My guess is they don't really concern themselves much with our lot.

A few years back I used to follow Global Times, until my reading habits waned in general. I often found myself agreeing with their assessment. I can understand that the average Indian analyst doesn't find that tone (if not the content) agreeable. Perhaps due to the British legacy we are too accustomed to diplomatic language, where criticism is often laced with the customary token praise.

Imagine if China and India had better relations? Imagine the power block and complete shift of Geo strategy and politics. The economic growth and cooperation would send tsunami waves through the world......

 

[Paitoo]

Imagine if China and India had better relations? Imagine the power block and complete shift of Geo strategy and politics. The economic growth and cooperation would send tsunami waves through the world......

Very true. Which makes me think that keeping the 2 countries hostile (to whatever degree) works in somebody's favour

 

[Michael]

I have no clue how India is viewed in China. We have no credible China experts who have lived in China for considerable period and are vocal. My guess is they don't really concern themselves much with our lot.

A few years back I used to follow Global Times, until my reading habits waned in general. I often found myself agreeing with their assessment. I can understand that the average Indian analyst doesn't find that tone (if not the content) agreeable. Perhaps due to the British legacy we are too accustomed to diplomatic language, where criticism is often laced with the customary token praise.

The situation in China is basically the same as you describe. We don't have a credible enough message from India either. This is the end of a serious lack of civil communication between the two countries.
That's why I invited a couple of Indian MODS to start this thread on PDF.
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Global Times, Chinese don't read it in the English version. You can try to visit some Chinese sites directly.
Usually, if I want to find out information about a country on the internet, I will use a translator to check different language versions and also gather information through various perspectives to form my own judgment.

 

[r3alist]

which country's leaders would consider China as a friend ?

I don't know how else to say it but this isn't a playground

China is developing it's sphere of influence, USA and the west is blocking it

Let's revisit the notion in a decade