India Has Lost Air Superiority to Pakistan, No Jets Left to Fight

[Blain2]

As @AeronautIR said lets wait for round 2. It has to be as definitive as Bangladesh or Siachen for Pakistani members here to concede. And I wish that Indian government if and when it resumes hostilities next, only ceases after a point where we there can be no debate on who won - only the reasons of why Pakistan lost

Bangladesh happened prior to the countries going nuclear. Siachen is neither here or there. We are still there, as are you. Nothing decisive.

On any given day, conventionally Pakistan has the capability to blunt any Indian aggression (1965, 1971 on the Eastern Front proved that). Beyond that, as needed, Pakistan will use whatever is at its disposal.

East Pakistan was a NEVER AGAIN moment for Pakistan. It will never be ALLOWED to be repeated no matter what Indians here or elsewhere say.

If Russia cannot tackle Ukraine, and the US cannot displace Iran, what do you really think India can do to Pakistan? Its comical the way this Indian hubris works.

 

[Gripen9]

Thread title is about air superiority. Why the diarrhoea?

** Moon ki bawaseer

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The video posted above where the (mostly) sane Indian analyst is talking about Pakistan vs India is a window to the Indian archaic mindset about Per that guy, Pakistan is raising a force of '100,000 suicide bombers' to attack India inside the Indian Occupied Kashmir. How bizarre that Indian mindset is. How anachronistic, given how much Pakistan has suffered from the Goddamn suicide bombers in the last quarter century. When one is indoctrinated to the point of becoming a suicide bomber then that person is a loose cannon and likely to be more destructive to its mentors than to the enemies.

Indians have really not been following the changes in Pakistan in last quarter century. The Pakistan of today is reverting from General Zia's 'Islam' to a hard-state with Geo-economics as its priority. But sadly India itself is on some strange civilizational revival like the Nazis, the Israeli Likuds are under the Modi regime. And in age where ideologies are dying--even in Islamic countries, if I dare say so-- India and Israel are so strangely anachronistic. And that's not good for them or for their neighbors.

They should rather study how the robotic noncontact warfare, coupled with fast moving manned units, is being perfected by the MICs like those in Turkey and China. I won't be surprised if the Pak High Command and MIC emulate that to liberate IIOK..

 

[AeronautIR]

As @AeronautIR said lets wait for round 2. It has to be as definitive as Bangladesh or Siachen for Pakistani members here to concede. And I wish that Indian government if and when it resumes hostilities next, only ceases after a point where we there can be no debate on who won - only the reasons of why Pakistan lost

Still living in 1971 is one of many reasons for failures of IAF, just like this one... https://caravanmagazine.in/security/balakot-failure-modi-victory

 

[KingQamaR]

Well well well . Despite having way more aircraft.
PAF.has imposed no fly zone on IAF practically and in very simple terms.
LOL ….

 

[Goenitz]

Still living in 1971 is one of many reasons for failures of IAF, just like this one... https://caravanmagazine.in/security/balakot-failure-modi-victory

do we have some satellite (clear proof like in Sept 2019) pics that we hit hard at some crucial target?
China would not have missed that. Why won't it release?

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

can the indians ever stay on topic?

that would be blasphemy bro

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

As @AeronautIR said lets wait for round 2. It has to be as definitive as Bangladesh or Siachen for Pakistani members here to concede. And I wish that Indian government if and when it resumes hostilities next, only ceases after a point where we there can be no debate on who won - only the reasons of why Pakistan lost

What Pakistan lost? did your terrorists were five years old kids studying in madrasas? can I ask you few questions from you, why your every big terrorist event occurred near your provincial and federal elections?

And also explain to me how few terrorists (according to you) were able to bypass one of the most watched border on the planet (LOC) there are lot of security measures on LOC like barbed wire fences/ along with electrified fences/ IR and CCTV cameras/Check posts equipped with latest gears like nigh vision googles and now drones which are able guard the LOC 24/7/365 days a year, so please explain me how few so called terrorists bypass through such a Strick security measures? there are only two possibilities EITHER YOUR SECURITY MEASURES ON LOC ARE CRAP/ UNRELIABLE AND JUNK OR INDIAN ARMY+RAW ON LOC DELIBERATELY PLANTED FALSE FLAG (WHICH IS MOST PROBABILITY), AND THERE IS NO LOGICAL THIRD OPTION IN MY MIND

And explain Mumbai attack in 2008, you claimed fully explosive laden vehicle traveled through from run of Kuch to Mumbai (the distance between Run-of-Kuch to Mumbai is 450 km you can check on google map or on google earth) so how it was possible that FULLY EXPLOSIVE LADEN VEHICLE went unnoticed/unchecked on the way to Mumbai, how it was even possible, 450 km distance is a big distance if the vehicle traveling 60 to 80 km/hour it takes 12 to 24 hour to complete its journey (remember it was not an ordinary vehicle) may be takes much more time to reach Mumbai, and last were your security agencies sleeping that were unable to check fully explosive laden vehicle on time? please explain? (I suspect Mumbai attack was also false flag)

 

[retaxis]

The incompetence of Indian airforce is truly remarkable
When i joined this forum India had arguably a better airforce than china. India had the raptor of the East while China just started with J-10s and completely reliant on older J-8s and J-7s

Now China has J-10s, J-11s, J-16s, J-20s and J-35s(recently inducted) all in great numbers with indigenous engines. Even got 6th gens flying around in various prototypes

Meanwhile India ordered a few French jet fighters in the same amount of time

And India wants to talk about superpower and catching up to China where as in reality the gap is growing everyday. China can now give Pakistan tech edge over India for forseeable future something that China was unable to do in the past.

 

[313Ghazi]

It's a shame Pakistan backed off. Twice in recent years we've done that when we should have pressed the advantage.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

It's a shame Pakistan backed off. Twice in recent years we've done that when we should have pressed the advantage.

You want to the 2 billion innocent people of subcontinent could die in a NUKE WAR?

 

[White Privilege]

As @AeronautIR said lets wait for round 2. It has to be as definitive as Bangladesh or Siachen for Pakistani members here to concede. And I wish that Indian government if and when it resumes hostilities next, only ceases after a point where we there can be no debate on who won - only the reasons of why Pakistan lost

LOL, dude u really think India can 'win' against Pakistan, your own government does not believe it so it won't even try, but keep bhakts like u chasing your tails with tall macho claims. Modi only wants electoral benefit, and the only blessing in disguise u got was u learnt u have a missile in shape of Brahmos which u can employ faily successfully without risking that burden on earth called IAF.....

 

[White Privilege]

You want to the 2 billion innocent people of subcontinent could die in a NUKE WAR?

Dude stop with the nuclear threat, there won't be any. Neither side has the stomach for it. No one knows when those rust buckets were oiled last. It was our mistake if we actually feared nuclear war and backed of in our conventional operations.It is like the Hal Jordan moment, when he has to confront the Guardians and make them realise that they are indeed afraid of Parallax, even when they try not to show, and that it is fine,and that victory lies beyond conquering that fear.....

 

[lightoftruth]

It's a shame Pakistan backed off. Twice in recent years we've done that when we should have pressed the advantage.

It is a shame , when India was calling its Nuclear command meeting, calling trump , SA etc for requesting a ceasefire , Pakistan felt bad & backed off.

No wonder India nominated Trump for a nobel peace prize & its Army chief tried selling a briefcase full of scrap for compensation.

 

[samsite84]

Bangladesh happened prior to the countries going nuclear. Siachen is neither here or there. We are still there, as are you. Nothing decisive.

On any given day, conventionally Pakistan has the capability to blunt any Indian aggression (1965, 1971 on the Eastern Front proved that). Beyond that, as needed, Pakistan will use whatever is at its disposal.

East Pakistan was a NEVER AGAIN moment for Pakistan. It will never be ALLOWED to be repeated no matter what Indians here or elsewhere say.

If Russia cannot tackle Ukraine, and the US cannot displace Iran, what do you really think India can do to Pakistan? Its comical the way this Indian hubris works.

Still living in 1971 is one of many reasons for failures of IAF, just like this one... https://caravanmagazine.in/security/balakot-failure-modi-victory

Bangladesh or Siachen are a couple of examples of definitive victories - not saying there will be geographical changes. The "fog" of war is such that only rarely do we get undisputed outcomes and I would like the next round to have a definitive outcome.

Now, I don't want a war between India and Pakistan, but if push comes to shove, I want GOI and IA/IAF/IN to shove back so hard that there is no dispute of the outcomes - and as a bonus save us all the time we've spent on this forum debating

Will it be territorial change - probably not as other than Kashmir most of it is IB.