India Has Lost Air Superiority to Pakistan, No Jets Left to Fight

[I*R*A]

India only improves. And I am happy to have an objective, data backed debate on any one of the forum if we want to compare both countries. If such discussion is mandated.

Yep "Numbers", the great indian deceit and way of fooling its own deluded citizens.

india with all it's huge gdp and what not had millions die during covid. People were begging on social media for support, the country ran out of crematorium and burial grounds, health care collapsed. People were taking cow dung baths actually to defeat covid. The visuals coming out of india during those times, were devastating.

Situation in Pakistan during covid, a piss poor country (as you like to portray), was far better and under control compared to india.

In the end, if a country with huge resources (as it claims and wants it people to believe) cannot protect it's own people and come to their rescue, then it should roll whatever numbers it fudges, make a batti of those numbers and shove them deep down dirty ganga where sun doesn't shine.

 

[fitpOsitive]

To all Pakistani members here, Indian Air Force might be lacking behind but now thousands of startups in India are offering new products and dozens of them are directly related to defense and space products. I see waves after waves of Indians returning back to India deu to massive layoffs in USA and Europe. While in Pakistan, we are busy in fighting our own people and Indian proxies, India is building full capacity to handle it's future challenges.
Pak military govt is capable enough to build military capability to defend Pakistan and it's not capable enough to keep Pakistan alive, and what's the point of defending a dead body.
I am a Pakistani and I am in the middle of all that what I just described. India will soon attack Pakistan not to just attack but to takeover, because India can't be contained like this forever. Pakistani planner must act now..now now now...

 

[Yasser76]

As @AeronautIR said lets wait for round 2. It has to be as definitive as Bangladesh or Siachen for Pakistani members here to concede. And I wish that Indian government if and when it resumes hostilities next, only ceases after a point where we there can be no debate on who won - only the reasons of why Pakistan lost

"If we had Rafale next time it would have been different" - Modi 2019

 

[Vikramaditya1]

What Pakistan lost? did your terrorists were five years old kids studying in madrasas? can I ask you few questions from you, why your every big terrorist event occurred near your provincial and federal elections?

There is a provincial election almost every year in India. There is 28 states man.

And also explain to me how few terrorists (according to you) were able to bypass one of the most watched border on the planet (LOC) there are lot of security measures on LOC like barbed wire fences/ along with electrified fences/ IR and CCTV cameras/Check posts equipped with latest gears like nigh vision googles and now drones which are able guard the LOC 24/7/365 days a year, so please explain me how few so called terrorists bypass through such a Strick security measures? there are only two possibilities EITHER YOUR SECURITY MEASURES ON LOC ARE CRAP/ UNRELIABLE AND JUNK OR INDIAN ARMY+RAW ON LOC DELIBERATELY PLANTED FALSE FLAG (WHICH IS MOST PROBABILITY), AND THERE IS NO LOGICAL THIRD OPTION IN MY MIND

Not every inch of Indian border is survelled there is a vast jungle in between, which is thick on top of being hilly. But increased surveillance and border action has reduced the incidents of attacks. See the reported incidents in India, it's going down.

And explain Mumbai attack in 2008, you claimed fully explosive laden vehicle traveled through from run of Kuch to Mumbai (the distance between Run-of-Kuch to Mumbai is 450 km you can check on google map or on google earth) so how it was possible that FULLY EXPLOSIVE LADEN VEHICLE went unnoticed/unchecked on the way to Mumbai, how it was even possible, 450 km distance is a big distance if the vehicle traveling 60 to 80 km/hour it takes 12 to 24 hour to complete its journey (remember it was not an ordinary vehicle) may be takes much more time to reach Mumbai, and last were your security agencies sleeping that were unable to check fully explosive laden vehicle on time? please explain? (I suspect Mumbai attack was also false flag)

There is no need to explain Mumbai attacks. The investigation and surveillance of the attacks has been international and well covered. Multiple intelligence agencies including European ones took part in pin pointing the attackers, the US was also involved in finding them. An American born Pakistani terrorist is convicted in the US and is serving time, a Canadian Pakistani was deported to India by Canadian authorities. You think this was an elaborate conspiracy against you? Lol!

 

[AeronautIR]

Bangladesh or Siachen are a couple of examples of definitive victories - not saying there will be geographical changes. The "fog" of war is such that only rarely do we get undisputed outcomes and I would like the next round to have a definitive outcome.

Now, I don't want a war between India and Pakistan, but if push comes to shove, I want GOI and IA/IAF/IN to shove back so hard that there is no dispute of the outcomes - and as a bonus save us all the time we've spent on this forum debating

Will it be territorial change - probably not as other than Kashmir most of it is IB.

I don't know your age but I have been hearing such hogwash for past 40 years. When your outgoing army chief says "Pakistan should decide if it wants to be part of history or geography or not", it emboldens trolls like you to boast about what will India do next time.
Do you have any sense to ask him that "agar itni aukat thi to 2019 aur 2025 mein hi kr lena tha ye"
Except tall claims and Bollywood dialogues, there is nothing much India can do in battle except optics to impress domestic audience.

 

[AeronautIR]

do we have some satellite (clear proof like in Sept 2019) pics that we hit hard at some crucial target?
China would not have missed that. Why won't it release?

Maybe China only gave satellite imagery on this condition that it won't be released. Or maybe Indians are right and we didn't hit anything. It is a moot point as ceasefire was accepted by India and with all the rhetoric of Op Sindoor is still ongoing and just on pause, they haven't dared to return on battlefield.

 

[Corax]

And yet...

Pakistanis will go to lengths to compare them to India (like your post above, bringing Pakistan where no comparison was required)

FWIW, Pakistan doing well economically will be good news to India. Unfortunately, all things you pointed are on more transfer of power to "army". Eg, look at how Faujis are now taking govt/civilian postions (both sitting and retired). On economy, Pakistan might be doing well but its debatable - still lots of debt, IMF bailouts etc.

Pakistanis can toot their horn of Endia - India only improves. And I am happy to have an objective, data backed debate on any one of the forum if we want to compare both countries. If such discussion is mandated.

You're a random little parjeet on a Pakistani defence forum complaining about Pakistanis talking about india....

 

[Vikramaditya1]

am a Pakistani and I am in the middle of all that what I just described. India will soon attack Pakistan not to just attack but to takeover, because India can't be contained like this forever. Pakistani planner must act now..now now now...

Buddy, nobody is planning to take over Pakistan.

 

[Pioneer]

The Indians announced that they killed 108 PLA soldiers. Their names are Song Jiang, Wu Yong, Lu Junyi, Wu Song... Dong Ping... Wait, who? Dong Ping?



?

Why did the Indians kill Dong Ping?

 

[fitpOsitive]

Buddy, nobody is planning to take over Pakistan.

If not, then somebody will.
We are rich in soil, connections, locations, people. It's just we are not interested in doing our jobs.
I mean you tell me what happens with an educated girl that is rich and pretty but is not married yet? She is taken. If not by friend then by a millionaire from Nigeria.
So will be Pakistan. I know, this goes against the bravado image that we Pakistanis try to project everywhere. But truth is truth.

 

[I*R*A]

If not, then somebody will.
We are rich in soil, connections, locations, people. It's just we are not interested in doing our jobs.
I mean you tell me what happens with an educated girl that is rich and pretty but is not married yet? She is taken. If not by friend then by a millionaire from Nigeria.
So will be Pakistan. I know, this goes against the bravado image that we Pakistanis try to project everywhere. But truth is truth.

You need more fresh air.

 

[fitpOsitive]

You need more fresh air.

I am literary sitting near window

 

[Yasser76]

Buddy, nobody is planning to take over Pakistan.

Dont you clowns make "Greater Bharat" statements everyday?