India Has Lost Air Superiority to Pakistan, No Jets Left to Fight

[Master Chief]

Buddy, nobody is planning to take over Pakistan.

Has Sindoor 2.0 finished already that you have started offering terms of surrender?

 

[Defender]

Come on India lost in 2025 that operation sindoor turn into operation tindoor .USA has to bribe Pakistan with f16 update package to stop pounding India now things has gone so bad USA refused to call qard meeting even after multiple requests by India .USA logic is simple if India can’t protect his borders from Pakistan and lost air battle what chance he has against china none what so ever .all USA plan for use India as counter weight to china go out the window in 2025 when Pakistan military pound India to next dimension

 

[Michael]

do we have some satellite (clear proof like in Sept 2019) pics that we hit hard at some crucial target?
China would not have missed that. Why won't it release?

Maybe China only gave satellite imagery on this condition that it won't be released. Or maybe Indians are right and we didn't hit anything. It is a moot point as ceasefire was accepted by India and with all the rhetoric of Op Sindoor is still ongoing and just on pause, they haven't dared to return on battlefield.

To begin with, China’s publicly acknowledged "Jilin-1" civil satellite system is already the world's largest satellite imagery constellation. As for the PLA's capabilities in this area, details regarding its military satellites have not been disclosed. However, it is certain that satellite imagery of this kind reaches the desks of China's top leadership.

But,

Official Chinese agencies do not release such imagery when public attention is at its peak. Typically, China considers whether to release the images only after the initial wave of public interest has subsided, and the actual release is handled in an exceptionally low-key manner.

There is a fundamental philosophy in Chinese culture: 打人不打脸(when striking someone, do not hit them in the face). Even when facing an enemy, we strive to preserve their face and dignity. Its core philosophy is to avoid a scenario where a desperate enemy, driven to the wall, lashes out in a suicidal, mutually destructive frenzy.

 

[Goenitz]

t is a moot point as ceasefire was accepted by India and with all the rhetoric of Op Sindoor is still ongoing and just on pause, they haven't dared to return on battlefield.

It will be even if real photos were released. The B&W visual of the depot was denied by their 2019 ACM. However, it was sufficient for Pakistanis and the international audience.

There is a fundamental philosophy in Chinese culture: 打人不打脸(when striking someone, do not hit them in the face). Even when facing an enemy, we strive to preserve their face and dignity. Its core philosophy is to avoid a scenario where a desperate enemy, driven to the wall, lashes out in a suicidal, mutually destructive fren

Thank you for explaining your perspective.
Just saying, if you want to stir up emotions or election results, you can release. AI is getting very common, and they can save their 'face'. However, it will expose China's capabilities (depending on the resolution).

 

[Meengla]

Enough has been said in this thread related to the OP post/video. I will add to that: Never underestimate the potentials for an India-Pakistan war to become a nuclear conflict. Never. The rivalry is historic and hostile. And since Modi's election to power in 2014, I notice the peace lobby in Pakistan has diminished a lot and there is now widespread anger in Pakistan against India. Even the influence of the Bollywood songs/movies is less. Pakistanis, whether rightly or not, perceive India as an existential/civilizational threat.

If a war were to extend where the India's main advantage of the Brahmos missiles start raining down on Pakistan's infrastructure then very likely Pakistan will resort to at least tactical nukes to stop India. I hope we will never see an extended war between the two countries.

 

[Yasser76]

Nothing to do with the thread, but can understand the cope and desperation to change subject, I really enjoy watching you lot squirm

 

[Mufasa]

If Tejas Mk1A production fails to pick up, Indian Air Force's squadron strength could fall below that of Pakistan Air Force. that does not mean India would lose its overall air superiority.

However, if Tejas Mk1A production accelerates and Tejas Mk2 enters service by 2030, India could significantly narrow the gap with China's air force in terms of fighter squadron strength,

 

[Mufasa]

Enough has been said in this thread related to the OP post/video. I will add to that: Never underestimate the potentials for an India-Pakistan war to become a nuclear conflict. Never. The rivalry is historic and hostile. And since Modi's election to power in 2014, I notice the peace lobby in Pakistan has diminished a lot and there is now widespread anger in Pakistan against India. Even the influence of the Bollywood songs/movies is less. Pakistanis, whether rightly or not, perceive India as an existential/civilizational threat.

If a war were to extend where the India's main advantage of the Brahmos missiles start raining down on Pakistan's infrastructure then very likely Pakistan will resort to at least tactical nukes to stop India. I hope we will never see an extended war between the two countries.

I don't foresee another terrorist attack on India, but India must prepare for every possibility. India's biggest military weakness is its dependence on imports. Unlike Pakistan, India has a much larger military to equip and sustain.

True military sovereignty is possible only when India can develop, manufacture, and replenish its own weapons and critical military systems without depending on foreign suppliers.

 

[Meengla]

True military sovereignty is possible only when India can develop, manufacture, and replenish its own weapons and critical military systems without depending on foreign suppliers.

Right.
And it is hard to believe that India, which is far ahead of Pakistan in IT, pharma, major industry, health care etc lags behind Pakistan in defense capabilities considering the huge economic disparity between the two countries. The only explanation I can think of is complacency and corruption in the Indian defense establishment. And that's not new: We may recall the Bofors guns scandals from decades ago. But, hey, I am not complaining here!

 

[Defender]

do we have some satellite (clear proof like in Sept 2019) pics that we hit hard at some crucial target?
China would not have missed that. Why won't it release?

Pakistan never declassified any footage It is absolute ban either it India or Afghanistan or or Iran they stay classified and China will never declassify it with out Pakistan military permission they bare declassify old or non useful footage as advanced electronic warfare is use and paf tectics can’t be make public for enemy to study

 

[Aryan_B]

Silly thread title. When did India and its flying coffins ever have air superiority

 

[Vikramaditya1]

If not, then somebody will.
We are rich in soil, connections, locations, people. It's just we are not interested in doing our jobs.
I mean you tell me what happens with an educated girl that is rich and pretty but is not married yet? She is taken. If not by friend then by a millionaire from Nigeria.
So will be Pakistan. I know, this goes against the bravado image that we Pakistanis try to project everywhere. But truth is truth.

Lets go one by one for this Indian take over story. Rich in soil? Most of your country is Arid, agriculture output is as bad as it is in India, Connections - Connects to Iran and Afghanistan, less said the better, people.... South India has around 250+ million people their GDP is $1.3 trillion with smaller area. There is zero benefits to adding Pakistan into India ZERO. I would personally fight for you if ever there is an occupation plan by India for Pakistan.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Has Sindoor 2.0 finished already that you have started offering terms of surrender?

1.0 wasn't invasion plan either. It was a bombing plan

 

[Trailer23]

If Tejas Mk1A production fails to pick up, Indian Air Force's squadron strength could fall below that of Pakistan Air Force. that does not mean India would lose its overall air superiority.

Hi Rookie...

I'm curious. When you speak of "overall air superiority", what exactly comes to mind?

The sheer volume/number of Aircrafts in your inventory OR the quality of your...eh...brilliant Air Force?

I'm asking because when you spoke of IAF's Squadron strength (God forbid) falls below PAF ... I couldn't understand that last bit.

I say this because the only thing that you have going for ya'll are numbers.

Having a PoW crossing the Wagah/Aatari Border & seeing your jets scattered all over your Nation doesn't really qualify as Air Superiorrity.

Welcome back to [PDF]. What is this your 3rd or 4th ID?

Either way, you start from 0, you're a Rookie & you get treated like one.