India Has Lost Air Superiority to Pakistan, No Jets Left to Fight

[LC150]

As I said, Pakistan can have their own narrative and India its own -

like Israel v Palestine?..

Israel believes there is no genocide ... where as the world less India believes so...

go figure.

 

[LC150]

there is no definitive answer.

every loser says that... trying to confused what really happened.

it is simple.. you claimed the following

> Pakistan was behind the terror attacks

> 20% of PAF was destroyed

> Pakistan was beaten so bad it begged for a ceasefire

but in reality none of this happened and most of the world did not believe it either...

india looked and is a loser...

Pakistan won out right.

> it stopped the IAF period
> it forced them to beg for a cease fire with Americans confirming that.
> it prevented India for achieving any of it's objectives.
> the incident stung the modi & co so bad that they refained from blaming Pakistan on any terror attack on india since then.

remember India was the aggressor and Pakistan was the defender.


@ Kargil ?.. what is there to say? we dumped a ton of indian soldiers and planes as well on the battlefield and with US pressure the Pakistan Army withdrew.

 

[LC150]

Also what narrative will come out on top will be known/firmed up in next 4-5 years when things settle down and people's memories start to fade...

in your heads for sure..being butt fcuked internationally does take time to heal

mean while PAF is brimming with confidence and pride, with more and more capable Pakistanis wanting to join, new hardware pouring from China as they were so pleased with the results india is a great test tube for Chinese weapons, lots of respect from nations around the world, lots of new airforces wanting to train/ collaborate .. etc etc

every body likes a winner.

 

[Signalian]

No, but easy to work out from fleet sizes, also scramble.nl is your ally here, as you can input both aircraft type and squadron which can give you a (fairly) accurate number

This would also show the role of the squadron and which weapon type will be fitted on the aircraft for that role.

 

[Signalian]

All I can say about the drones: Nothing will be safe in this world. No country. No airports. And that future is not far away.

Indian naval Mig-29s will have air superiority over the seas and ocean. what would be Pakistan's reply to that ?

They will have BVR A2A missiles and carry AShMs to target Pakistani Frigates. PN helos and other long range maritime aircraft could be in danger too. This would make Anti-sub Ops difficult.

 

[Meengla]

Not my thinking but IAFs and they made a BLUNDER... That is at least what the top brass are saying and they are a disciplined force... so ROE were not set right

Sigh!
So Indian Airforce expected to come to Pakistani border to bomb Pakistan and didn't expect to be shot down while doing so? Was the 2019 encounter not a warning, if not the Kargil 1999 encounter not a warning?
I am done talking about this with you.

 

[samsite84]

angry?..

who us?

why ?

India got publicly humilated on a global stage by losing 8 150M big beautiful planes...reminded by Trump every time.


yes no body believed India's story... from US congress report , to western defense analyst to the world at large..

I have yet to see any one having a different view

India lost ... big time.

like Israel v Palestine?..

Israel believes there is no genocide ... where as the world less India believes so...

go figure.

every loser says that... trying to confused what really happened.

it is simple.. you claimed the following

> Pakistan was behind the terror attacks

> 20% of PAF was destroyed

> Pakistan was beaten so bad it begged for a ceasefire

but in reality none of this happened and most of the world did not believe it either...

india looked and is a loser...

Pakistan won out right.

> it stopped the IAF period
> it forced them to beg for a cease fire with Americans confirming that.
> it prevented India for achieving any of it's objectives.
> the incident stung the modi & co so bad that they refained from blaming Pakistan on any terror attack on india since then.

remember India was the aggressor and Pakistan was the defender.


@ Kargil ?.. what is there to say? we dumped a ton of indian soldiers and planes as well on the battlefield and with US pressure the Pakistan Army withdrew.

in your heads for sure..being butt fcuked internationally does take time to heal

mean while PAF is brimming with confidence and pride, with more and more capable Pakistanis wanting to join, new hardware pouring from China as they were so pleased with the results india is a great test tube for Chinese weapons, lots of respect from nations around the world, lots of new airforces wanting to train/ collaborate .. etc etc

every body likes a winner.

To use your words:
Based on the above replies, the only one being butt fucked is you - while you're typing. That is how much sense your replies make - full of delusions and dreams which you're getting while getting butt fucked

I have presented India's view - like or or not - you can keep taking big danda up your butts...

 

[samsite84]

Sigh!
So Indian Airforce expected to come to Pakistani border to bomb Pakistan and didn't expect to be shot down while doing so? Was the 2019 encounter not a warning, if not the Kargil 1999 encounter not a warning?
I am done talking about this with you.

Sure man - as I said earlier, IAF made a BLUNDER on ROE and PA made a BLUNDER in thinking that India won't use Brahmos... There is nothing to talk about here - balance is what's required though

 

[TAC]

Not my thinking but IAFs and they made a BLUNDER... That is at least what the top brass are saying and they are a disciplined force... so ROE were not set right

Where both of us differ though is the larger point - for billions of Indians, loosing 3-4 jets vs. bombing very center of Pakistan is a price they will pay everyday and twice on a Sunday - as long as its in retaliation of a terrorist attack.

Pakistan's view here on the forum is different - that loosing few jets was costlier than getting Pakistan's sovereignty violated - in a pretty graphic fashion. I don't see what calculus Pakistanis are making but to each their own...

On other aspects e.g., what the world thinks - we don't have any definitive data but only vibes and we can pick our own evidence to back our claims. But objectively, India established new red lines - that much is indisputable and what Pakistan wants to "assume"/"believe" is that those red lines will be maintained. IWT is under suspension, Operation Sindoor is not complete (only halted or whatever the word used is)...

So by your Godi logic, firing some standoff weapons from well within your own airspace is ‘a win’ & you would do it every day and twice on Sunday when for doing that you get your top of the line jets including Ra-fail smashed, again well within your own airspace? Bravo what a great achievement, and what amazing strategy, truly a Supapowa!! I wonder if your hapless pilots agree.
Incidentally getting so many of your top jets shot down well inside Indian airspace, wreckage of them falling all over North West India, even killing Indians on the ground, all as reported by your own media before they were gagged—- does not violate Indian sovereignty ‘in pretty graphic fashion’??
Shameless nation, gets smacked in the face, has broken nose but says it was worth it cos you must’ve hurt your fist in the process of punching. Indeed they’d like to be punched every day and twice on Sundays.

 

[Signalian]

20 pages and nothing new to learn.

 

[samsite84]

So by your Godi logic, firing some standoff weapons from well within your own airspace is ‘a win’ & you would do it every day and twice on Sunday when for doing that you get your top of the line jets including Ra-fail smashed, again well within your own airspace? Bravo what a great achievement, and what amazing strategy, truly a Supapowa!! I wonder if your hapless pilots agree.
Incidentally getting so many of your top jets shot down well inside Indian airspace, wreckage of them falling all over North West India, even killing Indians on the ground, all as reported by your own media before they were gagged—- does not violate Indian sovereignty ‘in pretty graphic fashion’??
Shameless nation, gets smacked in the face, has broken nose but says it was worth it cos you must’ve hurt your fist in the process of punching. Indeed they’d like to be punched every day and twice on Sundays.

Think what you want to think - if that helps you sleep better. I have already stated what makes me sleep better - its knowing that GoI will extract its pound of flesh for every innocent citizen killed by act of terrorism. If a few jets is the price to pay - that is fine.

And as far as shamelessness is concerned India is in elementary school while Pakistan is dean of the university. A shameless nation promotes COA to be a "field" marshall when the country is struck in so many places and disproportionate loss of life for the said nation. Its the same shameless nation that gave refuge to OBL and that wants to bleed India by a thousand cuts - because it can never win a conventional war.

 

[Signalian]

Think what you want to think - if that helps you sleep better. I have already stated what makes me sleep better - its knowing that GoI will extract its pound of flesh for every innocent citizen killed by act of terrorism. If a few jets is the price to pay - that is fine.

And as far as shamelessness is concerned India is in elementary school while Pakistan is dean of the university. A shameless nation promotes COA to be a "field" marshall when the country is struck in so many places and disproportionate loss of life for the said nation. Its the same shameless nation that gave refuge to OBL and that wants to bleed India by a thousand cuts - because it can never win a conventional war.

whats the default loadout for a SU30 on CAP or escort ?

 

[LC150]

To use your words:
Based on the above replies, the only one being butt fucked is you - while you're typing. That is how much sense your replies make - full of delusions and dreams which you're getting while getting butt fucked

I have presented India's view - like or or not - you can keep taking big danda up your butts...

Yes you presented a view believed by no one.

Then again you are an Indian…. The most raped nation on this planet

 

[samsite84]

Yes you presented a view believed by no one.

Then again you are an Indian…. The most raped nation on this planet

Ya - I don't have a response for that. See when you start bringing something like rape in the "goading" match that you want to have, it stops being human. I can only say that either you're not of age or you are a danger to society - someone throwing around rape is just mentally disabled. FWIW, it also says a lot about your upbringing and your relation to your faith - whatever that might be. I am sorry for you and I hope you get better