India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[safriz]

The official claim for the last 2 months was 6 fighters + 1 heron, there was no mention of a 7th fighter

Official claims were of Numbers only i guess? No breakdown of fighters were ever given?

 

[Alex]

I think we were unlucky not to have shot down those other 4. Sometimes you have to make your own luck.

If the claim is true, that we had total dominance, and we didn't take advantage, it's criminal, treacherous even. If we genuinely had grounded their entire airforce and did not take advantage of that to liberate Kashmir or to decimate their armed forces - we lost this war not them.

Thank you for thinking in a clear manner. I was trying to argue similar points in another thread. But members, instead of understanding what I was pointing out, started to throw insults and call me Indian. With such thinking and attitude, they would never be able to think and act rationally.
Pakistan shot down 6/7 Indian jets, whatever the number is; well done by Pakistan. But with the same token, they have to question why it wasn't done proactively and India stopped from attacking Pakistan.
Exactly the point I had made repeatedly: why was the IAF not decimated when Pakistan had total control of the war theatre? Plus, when they could jam and neutralise Indian assets, how and why were the IAF allowed to bomb Pakistani civil areas and kill innocent Pakistanis? And later cause damage to Pakistan airfields and nuclear facilities? It doesn't make sense. Unless somewhere up the chain, people lost the bottle. There is nothing else that could be deduced from Pakistan's reluctance to cause untold damage to India.

 

[Musings]

Stay in england and eat bad pudding, full grease fish and ships and awfull meat.

And you my little brown indian - stay too embarrassed to accept your real heritage.
Thats pure filth and humiliation for all. A man too embarrassed to admit and accept his roots.
Ffs grow some backbone

 

[Ali_Baba]

There were reports that another Rafale was shot down the next day, targeting a PAF base. It's that same report that led to the rumors surrounding Shivangi Singh.

I personally think they're exaggerating now, but am confident that at least 2 to 3 were shot down.

Someone like Alan Warnes would have been shown the evidence by the PAF of their claims during his visit. So, him quoting 4 Rafales has got to have some very serious weight behind it.

 

[Musings]

India should destroy Pakistan’s nuclear weapons that’s the only way to prevent nuclear exchange in the region

You talking about the nation whose planes dropped out of the sky like birdshit?
Ffs man get a grip and give it a rest.

 

[Toxic]

Official claims were of Numbers only i guess? No breakdown of fighters were ever given?

The breakdown was given, it was:

3x Rafale
1x Mirage 2000
1x Mig 29
1x Su-30
+
1 heron UAV

 

[Alex]

Actually, you are correct. I cannot interpret this any other way.

It seems like a victory, and it was in a sense, but if the opportunity was there to crucify them once and for all and we didn't take it, shame on us. Such an opportunity will not present itself again.

"Restraint" is a treasonous word.

Not criticising the PAF here. Clearly, someone high up in civilian command told them to show "restraint".

That aside, one point to make here is that we should go public about the death of Shivangi, so the misogynist nation to our east learns its harshest lesson.

Using military women explicitly for propaganda purposes to then target and kill innocent civilian women is a disgusting aberration of all civilised norms.

We know it is all drama for propaganda and nothing else because the same people who salivated over this Bollywood narrative are the ones who abuse Sophia Qureishi openly.

All of the "Sindoor" bollywood narratives should be completely dismantled publicly by Pakistan and indeed, any civilised third parties who are interested.

Yesterday, I spent considerable time trying to make a similar point. But instead of pondering what I was saying with proofs from the quotes of Pakistani officials and ministers, some members started to throw insults, and some even wanted the moderators to take action against me.
Pakistan has full radar and satellite coverage of Indian attacks on 6/7 July; now it is made clear by none other than AC Babar Sindhu that Pakistan has mastery of EW and jammed Indian assets.
Under such control and mastery of the skies, why wasn't the IAF destroyed to the point of no return, and why was the IAF allowed to attack Pakistani civilian sites and kill innocent Pakistanis and later hit Pakistani airbases and nuclear facilities?
When we look at Indian resources, almost all Indians are joyous from the fact that Pakistan was unable to stop their attacks on their airbases and civilian sites.
I am very curious: why was this allowed to happen? I know exact reasons; they are there in plain sight, but Pakistanis are not ready to understand and question their leadership, both political and military.

 

[Olympus81]

The Indian army spokesperson there were multiple hits on Indian bases.

And there are multiple pictures and videos to back that.

Stop creating a fuss. Even if a satellite image is shared, the Indians will claim its fake.

I believe best course of action is to stay silent in light of their trolling.

 

[Toxic]

Anyone that thinks military babus are held back by civilian leadership is living in an alternate timeline.

 

[Fasbre2]

Yesterday, I spent considerable time trying to make a similar point. But instead of pondering what I was saying with proofs from the quotes of Pakistani officials and ministers, some members started to throw insults, and some even wanted the moderators to take action against me.
Pakistan has full radar and satellite coverage of Indian attacks on 6/7 July; now it is made clear by none other than AC Babar Sindhu that Pakistan has mastery of EW and jammed Indian assets.
Under such control and mastery of the skies, why wasn't the IAF destroyed to the point of no return, and why was the IAF allowed to attack Pakistani civilian sites and kill innocent Pakistanis and later hit Pakistani airbases and nuclear facilities?
When we look at Indian resources, almost all Indians are joyous from the fact that Pakistan was unable to stop their attacks on their airbases and civilian sites.
I am very curious: why was this allowed to happen? I know exact reasons; they are there in plain sight, but Pakistanis are not ready to understand and question their leadership, both political and military.

Indian attacks may have been allowed by munir to give Indians an off- ramp.

 

[safriz]

There were reports that another Rafale was shot down the next day, targeting a PAF base. It's that same report that led to the rumors surrounding Shivangi Singh.

I personally think they're exaggerating now, but am confident that at least 2 to 3 were shot down.

Exaggerating?
They only exaggerate killing own citizens , but underplay hitting actual enemy.
I dont think they are exaggerating here.

While the DGISPR and Mohsin Naqvi were very concerned about Indian civilians and reassured india not to hit any, both of them threatened and killed own civilian's in well documented statements.

 

[Alex]

If you read his tweet , he is just quoting the Pakistani air force chief. It is hardly an independent source. Even he himself is not claiming to have done any primary research as the basis for this tweet.

Well, Warnes knows Sidhu personally. When you know someone well and have trust on their credibility, you would believe them without much question.

Indian attacks may have been allowed by munir to give Indians an off- ramp.

Shocking if that happened. Are you trying to say that someone in Pakistan's hierarchy allowed their own innocent citizens to be killed?

 

[safriz]

India should destroy Pakistan’s nuclear weapons that’s the only way to prevent nuclear exchange in the region

But how ?
May be you can give your military some ideas?
Nerender Modi gave the advice to IAF to hide in the clouds in February 2019. He said this in an interview.
You surely can come up with better suggestions.

 

[Oscar]

@Toxic


By May 5, 2026, the entire fleet of 36 Rafales would have been shot down.

Regards

Could be arranged if you send them west.

 

[rafale]

I think PAF is just letting Indians screw themselves and the French, enjoying the shit show......and will then silently release all the evidence of shot down aircraft later to rub it in the face.......